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Ericsson
#1 Posted : Wednesday, March 29, 2017 10:32:17 AM
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profit before tax increases from 2.62 billion shillings in 2015 to 3.94 billion shillings in 2016
Directors recommend payment of first and final dividend of 1.06 shillings per share for year
Drop in international oil prices led to a decrease of 26 percent in net sales
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Pesa Nane
#2 Posted : Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:26:16 AM
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Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
Pesa Nane
#3 Posted : Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:32:12 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
profit before tax increases from 2.62 billion shillings in 2015 to 3.94 billion shillings in 2016
Directors recommend payment of first and final dividend of 1.06 shillings per share for year
Drop in international oil prices led to a decrease of 26 percent in net sales


Closure 16 June 2017
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
wukan
#4 Posted : Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:41:47 AM
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The market cap is around Kshs 3.1B lower than the gross profit of 3.9B

Damn! this market
sparkly
#5 Posted : Wednesday, March 29, 2017 12:58:40 PM
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wukan wrote:
The market cap is around Kshs 3.1B lower than the gross profit of 3.9B

Damn! this market


Suppressed by preference shares held by the parent company.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, March 29, 2017 12:59:02 PM
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wukan wrote:
The market cap is around Kshs 3.1B lower than the gross profit of 3.9B

Damn! this market

Don't be shallow like you-know-who but dig deeper. Let me know what you find and we can discuss it later.
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wukan
#7 Posted : Wednesday, March 29, 2017 1:30:03 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
wukan wrote:
The market cap is around Kshs 3.1B lower than the gross profit of 3.9B

Damn! this market

Don't be shallow like you-know-who but dig deeper. Let me know what you find and we can discuss it later.


I'm aware of the preference shares without which the valuation would be around 42-45/= but still the market is giving a discount whether you use fundamentals or technical analysis. I'm proud of my "A"Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
VituVingiSana
#8 Posted : Wednesday, March 29, 2017 5:10:14 PM
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wukan wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
wukan wrote:
The market cap is around Kshs 3.1B lower than the gross profit of 3.9B

Damn! this market

Don't be shallow like you-know-who but dig deeper. Let me know what you find and we can discuss it later.


I'm aware of the preference shares without which the valuation would be around 42-45/= but still the market is giving a discount whether you use fundamentals or technical analysis. I'm proud of my "A"Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Bingo! Before you (ordinary shareholder) see a penny, the pref shares get their dividends and redemption.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ebenyo
#9 Posted : Wednesday, March 29, 2017 5:19:15 PM
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Can someone plis explain to me the impact of preference shares? whats the advantage/disadvantage to the ordinary shareholder? what are the complications? whats wrong and right?
Towards the goal of financial freedom
Ericsson
#10 Posted : Wednesday, March 29, 2017 5:20:21 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
wukan wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
wukan wrote:
The market cap is around Kshs 3.1B lower than the gross profit of 3.9B

Damn! this market

Don't be shallow like you-know-who but dig deeper. Let me know what you find and we can discuss it later.


I'm aware of the preference shares without which the valuation would be around 42-45/= but still the market is giving a discount whether you use fundamentals or technical analysis. I'm proud of my "A"Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Bingo! Before you (ordinary shareholder) see a penny, the pref shares get their dividends and redemption.


Warren Buffet hates and doesn't invest in companies which issue preference shares.
very important lesson I learnt when I was learning the ropes of investing in quoted equities
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#11 Posted : Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:55:31 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
wukan wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
wukan wrote:
The market cap is around Kshs 3.1B lower than the gross profit of 3.9B

Damn! this market

Don't be shallow like you-know-who but dig deeper. Let me know what you find and we can discuss it later.


I'm aware of the preference shares without which the valuation would be around 42-45/= but still the market is giving a discount whether you use fundamentals or technical analysis. I'm proud of my "A"Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Bingo! Before you (ordinary shareholder) see a penny, the pref shares get their dividends and redemption.


Warren Buffet hates and doesn't invest in companies which issue preference shares.
very important lesson I learnt when I was learning the ropes of investing in quoted equities

Hmmm, WB invests in preferred shares. Not sure about investing in the Ordinary Shares of a firm that also issues preferred shares.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#12 Posted : Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:57:11 PM
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Ebenyo wrote:
Can someone plis explain to me the impact of preference shares? whats the advantage/disadvantage to the ordinary shareholder? what are the complications? whats wrong and right?

You can get a comprehensive answer on Investpedia. If you have more questions then pls ask away...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ebenyo
#13 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 5:00:49 PM
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Total Kenya owner
takes home Shl.3bn
dividend in four years
BY GEOFFREY IRUNGU
Total Outre­Mer, which owns Total Kenya,
will have taken home Shl.3 billion divi­
dend in four years when shareholders
pass the proposal to pay 77 cents ashare
in the annual general meeting coming
early next month.
The company holds both ordinary
and preference shares, both of which
^re eligible for dividend. However, the
preference shares have no voting rights.
The French­owned Ann holds 92.3 per
cent of the Kenyan marketer with 72.19
per cent of its shares being redeemable
preference shares.
This means thatthe parent entity earns
most of its dividends through the prefer­
ence sh ares but the cash flow of the local
subsidiary is reviewed annually to assess
the capacity to redeem the shares. "There
is an annual review of the cash flow situ­
ation and the retained earnings to assess
the capacity of the company to redeem
the redeemable preference shares," said
Maurice K'Anjejo, Total Kenya corporate
affairs manager in response to queries by
the Business Daily.
Further the Total Outre­Mer holding
company, Total SA., which is also incor­
porated in France, has lent money to
the Kenyan entity with the outstanding
amount at the end of 2015 being about
Sh5 billion. The Kenyan company did
not reveal the exact rate at which it bor­
rowed the cash.
Mr K'Anjejo said the redeemable
shares are of benefit to the company in
terms of the equity capital it brings in an d
also keeps costs of financing down.
"The redeemable preference shares
is beneficial to the company both in
terms of a strong shareholders equity
and especially in terms of costs," said
Mr K'Anjejo.
Eric Musau, a senior research analyst
at Standard Investment Bank, said the
preference shares have benefited minority
shareholders because they came at a time
oil prices were high and the local firm had
little cash ­ so the alternative would have
been to borrow expensively.
"The fact that the preference shares
rank the same with ordinary shares
means that the preference shares don't
have to come first when it comes to paying
dividends as happens in many other cas­
es where preference shares are involved.
But of course there is the uncertainty as
to when they will be redeemed since the
local company needs a lot of cash to re­
deem them," said Mr Musau.
As of 2015, the earnings per share
(EPS) stood at Sh2.57, showing that
the redeemable shares earned a total of
Shl.17 billion
Total Kenya may however find it dif­
ficult to redeem the shares because of the
costs involved.. On the Nairobi Securities
Exchange (NSE), where each ordinary
share is trading at Shl8.20 yesterday, the
preference shares would be worth nearly
Sh8.3 billion. Some of the redeemable
shares have had an issue price higher
than that of the market (Shl7.45) in the
past one year. "Authorised redeemable
preference shares 123,478,388 shares of
Sh31.58 each," the annual report says.
The rest of preference shares, amount­
ing to 330,999,364 shares, were originally
priced at Shl5.71 each.
The other factor in the exit is that the
Total Outre­Mer ­ as the majority share­
holder in Total Kenya ­ is in a pole posi­
tion to determine the terms of redemp­
tion given its overwhelming majority.
This implies that the local shareholders
being in the minority, are unlikely to in­
fluence whether or not the shares can
be redeemed. "The right to redemption
of the redeemable preference shares is
at the discretion of the company (Total
Kenya) hence they have been classified
as equity," says the firm in its latest an­
nual report.
For the year to last December, the
company board of directors has asked
shareholders to approve the dividend of
77 cents, up from 70 cents paid the previ­
ous year. The approval is expected to be a
formality, paving the way for the payment
of Sh447.2 million as dividend to Total
Outre­Mer, up from Sh406.6 million paid
last year. The other shareholders will take
a total of only Shl5.18 million.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
Ebenyo
#14 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 5:10:41 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
wukan wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
wukan wrote:
The market cap is around Kshs 3.1B lower than the gross profit of 3.9B

Damn! this market

Don't be shallow like you-know-who but dig deeper. Let me know what you find and we can discuss it later.


I'm aware of the preference shares without which the valuation would be around 42-45/= but still the market is giving a discount whether you use fundamentals or technical analysis. I'm proud of my "A"Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Bingo! Before you (ordinary shareholder) see a penny, the pref shares get their dividends and redemption.


Warren Buffet hates and doesn't invest in companies which issue preference shares.
very important lesson I learnt when I was
learning the ropes of investing in quoted equities


The preference shares are redeemable.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
Ebenyo
#15 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 5:12:46 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
wukan wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
wukan wrote:
The market cap is around Kshs 3.1B lower than the gross profit of 3.9B

Damn! this market

Don't be shallow like you-know-who but dig deeper. Let me know what you find and we can discuss it later.


I'm aware of the preference shares without which the valuation would be around 42-45/= but still the market is giving a discount whether you use fundamentals or technical analysis. I'm proud of my "A"Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Bingo! Before you (ordinary shareholder) see a penny, the pref shares get their dividends and redemption.


Warren Buffet hates and doesn't invest in companies which issue preference shares.
very important lesson I learnt when I was
learning the ropes of investing in quoted equities


The preference shares are redeemable.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
Ebenyo
#16 Posted : Saturday, April 29, 2017 3:27:27 PM
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Posts: 1,997
Location: Kitale
Sales decreased from kshs 138,027,000 to 110,582,420,000-19%.
The volatile nature of oil prices is blamed for this.
I hope one day the govt will liberalise control of oil price .Then the price will be dictated by demand for buy and sell.
Other income(rent) increased from kshs 766,065,000 to kshs 962,996,000-25%.On the back of unpredictable oil prices,the company should try to increase more rental income to bridge the stability gap.
finance income grew from kshs 127,073,000 to kshs 163,492,000-28%. The company could try to exploit this strength by channeling more funds into the same.They can also try some govt securities,since the mgt has demonstrated ability to hold cash for long period.

Good management led to the decrease of cost of sales from kshs 113,263,567,000 to 81,209,334,000-28%
Indirect taxes and duties increased from kshs 17,773,285,000 to 21,521,496,000-21% I hope that when the company will start buying kenyan oil,these taxes will come down.
Operating expense increased by 2% from kshs 4,905,099,000 to kshs 4,994,353,000.I think the mgt tried their best.
Tax charge increased by 69% from kshs 1,003,693,000 to kshs 1,701,071,000.Hopefully the kenya oil will aid to bring this down.
Net foreign exchange lose went down by 93% from kshs 320,342,000 to kshs 21,528,000.Hopefully the kenya shilling will remain stable.

Towards the goal of financial freedom
kawi254
#17 Posted : Sunday, April 30, 2017 9:16:04 PM
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Ebenyo wrote:

Good management led to the decrease of cost of sales from kshs 113,263,567,000 to 81,209,334,000-28%



Cost of sales reduction is a factor of reduced world oil prices and not Good Management...this managers taking credit for everything
Ebenyo
#18 Posted : Monday, May 01, 2017 9:49:56 AM
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kawi254 wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:

Good management led to the decrease of cost of sales from kshs 113,263,567,000 to 81,209,334,000-28%



Cost of sales reduction is a factor of reduced world oil prices and not Good Management...this managers taking credit for everything


@kawi 254,thanks for explanation.Those were my opinions as i analysed the results.I thought its management.
I also noted that the oil sector is heavily taxed.The company spent kshs 22 billion on taxes and duties.Can u comment something on this burdensome taxes.My hope is that things might improve when our own kenyan oil will hit the market.
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Gatheuzi
#19 Posted : Tuesday, May 02, 2017 6:38:28 AM
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Ebenyo wrote:
kawi254 wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:

Good management led to the decrease of cost of sales from kshs 113,263,567,000 to 81,209,334,000-28%



Cost of sales reduction is a factor of reduced world oil prices and not Good Management...this managers taking credit for everything


@kawi 254,thanks for explanation.Those were my opinions as i analysed the results.I thought its management.
I also noted that the oil sector is heavily taxed.The company spent kshs 22 billion on taxes and duties.Can u comment something on this burdensome taxes.My hope is that things might improve when our own kenyan oil will hit the market.

In abscense of a refinery, Kenya will still export crude and import refined oil.
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VituVingiSana
#20 Posted : Tuesday, May 02, 2017 7:51:39 AM
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Volumes not Sales/Revenue is more important when analyzing a business selling fuel. The lower the price/liter for fuel is usually better for OMCs since they need to spend less to finance the inventories and shrinkage/theft. The gross margins are better since they are based on a fixed margin e.g. 7/-. And people buy more fuel when it is cheaper.
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