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Barbarity in Saudi Arabia
Alba
#1 Posted : Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:56:55 PM
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Note: This video is not for the faint hearted. Viewer discretion strongly advised
Alba
#2 Posted : Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:59:10 PM
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The video apparently shows a Ghanaian nanny being killed by her employer after the child she was taking care of fell down the stairs. The police are accomplices


http://247ureports.com/2...with-police-looking-on/

If said video is true, please warn Kenyans who are heading there in search of work.
T-Bag
#3 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2017 10:04:22 AM
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Not Ghanian but a Burmese resident named as Lalia Bint Abdul Muttablib Basim

http://shoebat.com/2015/...reet-right-public-view/

"Reminds me of what the Nazi's did to the Jews in the early years. Even the Nazi's couldn't stomach doing it in such a personal way, so they started gassing them in groups. Really horrible. Was found guilty in a Saudi Sharia court? What a filthy religion"
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Nandwa
#4 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2017 10:51:12 AM
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It is not only Saudia, it is most of that region and their lack of ideals - racism.
Though their religion plays a role, I wouldnt blame it wholly on Mohamedism. - for there are some dignified people who practice the same - e;g Turks, or Muslims in Tanzania.

Most of the Arab world and the sorrounding areas are hostile to outsiders and as such Persons from marginalised races such as blacks or Asians are best advised not to venture there unless it is absolutely necessary.

If what is in that clip happened to nationals of say German, UK, Russia, US, Canada, France etc the influence that the countries wield would bring pressure to bear on Saudi Arabia accordingly.

But they always get away with such brutality meted out on nationals of poor and non influential countries, especially Africans and Asians!
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
alma1
#5 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2017 11:14:04 AM
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These muslims are just pathetic.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

Nandwa
#6 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2017 11:18:31 AM
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alma1 wrote:
These muslims are just pathetic.

They certainly need some serious debriefing.
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
AlphDoti
#7 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2017 11:46:48 AM
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@alma, since this story is from gutter press whose reports are just sensational journalism, my feeling is that what you see is not what was the reality on the ground... Allow me to expound

First, I've said again and again that it is not a Muslim who does not follow Islam, whether he calls himself a Muslim or not. So please do not blindly say "These muslims are just pathetic."

Secondly, Islamic law is not applied blindly. Not that somebody accusing somebody of killing a baby and law is just applied like that, no. Islamic law requires that there be four witnesses for the application of this law, Reliable witnesses, not just anybody, but people who are known to be just and righteous. And without those four witnesses, the law cannot be applied.

Thirdly, now regarding this case, coming from gutter press, they report that it's the father of the dead baby who is executing the woman. I doubt that. My suspicion is that, this is death sentence issued by the court and evidence and witnesses verified. And the one meting out the justice is the state's judicial executioner.

Fiftly, if the above was death sentence, carried out by state's judicial executioner, then note that these laws are applied and done publicly. People should be present to observe it. It is not for entertainment in public, but for them to see law and its application. The sight of it helps to enforce in the minds of the people that the laws are being applied and we should avoid these kinds of crimes.

IMPORTANT: I'm not supporting or CONDONING sporadic killing by anyone against anyone. NO MATTER where it is: Saudia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, or U.S, or France, or ANYWHERE... Islam is AGAINST killing. YES! the victims maybe perceived as evil doer, anyone may disagree with them. BUT! We are not allowed to go out and kill them.

NOTE: My response above is informed by the fact that this news are coming from sensational journalism, which should be consumed with pinch of salt.
FRM2011
#8 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2017 11:48:16 AM
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Nandwa wrote:
alma1 wrote:
These muslims are just pathetic.

Ther certainly need some serious debriefing.


Kwanza the way they feel the need to fight physically for God, you are left wondering whether they believe in his power at all.

But Christians were doing the same 4 or 5 centuries ago.
Nandwa
#9 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2017 11:59:52 AM
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We are already used to the script.

Denial, denial deniald'oh!

The believability of this story on a scale of 1 - 10 - is an impressive 8.5.

Why so..

Knowing these guys for who they are - that is the norm in such circumstances, not the exception!
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
alma1
#10 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2017 12:00:31 PM
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alphdoti

unfortunately your reply only makes it worse. What's this Islamic law that allows people to be beheaded in public? I wouldn't care if they needed 1000 pure virgins to witness the crime.

What I just saw was just pathetic.

So I'll stand by my initial statement. Going to these muslim countries is a direct risk to your health and sanity. They might just chop off your head because you walked cross legged.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

AlphDoti
#11 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2017 12:08:43 PM
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alma1 wrote:
alphdoti

unfortunately your reply only makes it worse. What's this Islamic law that allows people to be beheaded in public? I wouldn't care if they needed 1000 pure virgins to witness the crime.

What I just saw was just pathetic.

So I'll stand by my initial statement. Going to these muslim countries is a direct risk to your health and sanity. They might just chop off your head because you walked cross legged.

@alma, since you are asking me about Islamic law, to avoid people here misunderstanding and thinking I'm supporting the alleged act in the gutter press, let me use another thread to answer you.

Please read here for my answer...
T-Bag
#12 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2017 12:25:53 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
alma1 wrote:
alphdoti

unfortunately your reply only makes it worse. What's this Islamic law that allows people to be beheaded in public? I wouldn't care if they needed 1000 pure virgins to witness the crime.

What I just saw was just pathetic.

So I'll stand by my initial statement. Going to these muslim countries is a direct risk to your health and sanity. They might just chop off your head because you walked cross legged.

@alma, since you are asking me about Islamic law, to avoid people here misunderstanding and thinking I'm supporting the alleged act in the gutter press, let me use another thread to answer you.

Please read here for my answer...


what is your position on apostasy from Islam similar argument? They fall in the same category of crime right? Religion of peace year right!
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alma1
#13 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2017 12:32:57 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
alma1 wrote:
alphdoti

unfortunately your reply only makes it worse. What's this Islamic law that allows people to be beheaded in public? I wouldn't care if they needed 1000 pure virgins to witness the crime.

What I just saw was just pathetic.

So I'll stand by my initial statement. Going to these muslim countries is a direct risk to your health and sanity. They might just chop off your head because you walked cross legged.

@alma, since you are asking me about Islamic law, to avoid people here misunderstanding and thinking I'm supporting the alleged act in the gutter press, let me use another thread to answer you.

Please read here for my answer...


I'm not interested in theological arguments on a weekend so I'll not read your apologistic arguments. Ati gutter press. nkt!

What I saw was a woman held by what are the Muslim police. Her head chopped off in the middle of the streets by some fellas screaming alahu akbar.

Sorry....that's barbaric and evil. And blaming God for such laws is not good either.

Let me go drink my viceroy before some fella decides to chop off my head too.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

T-Bag
#14 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2017 12:33:57 PM
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More gutter
http://www.thereligionof...ages/quran/apostasy.aspx
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Liv
#15 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2017 8:11:35 PM
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" They know well as anyone that Islam cannot compete within the arena of free ideas and must rely on brute force at some level to retain believers."
hamburglar
#16 Posted : Saturday, March 04, 2017 6:05:14 PM
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More proof that atheism is the way to go.

My heart goes out to the family of that woman. That is the most brutal thing I've seen in a long long time.

You will never see an atheist carry out such a barbaric act. Religions and imaginary gods need to be dumped as soon as possible if we are to ever have a progressive society.

That video is very disturbing but it's a perfect reflection of how evil religion is. Those people are shouting Allah Akbar, just how callous and cruel is that? They actually think that it's justified and that their god approves? Wow just wow.
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#17 Posted : Saturday, March 04, 2017 8:59:18 PM
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hamburglar wrote:
More proof that atheism is the way to go.

My heart goes out to the family of that woman. That is the most brutal thing I've seen in a long long time.

You will never see an atheist carry out such a barbaric act. Religions and imaginary gods need to be dumped as soon as possible if we are to ever have a progressive society.

That video is very disturbing but it's a perfect reflection of how evil religion is. Those people are shouting Allah Akbar, just how callous and cruel is that? They actually think that it's justified and that their god approves? Wow just wow.


Religion had nothing to do with this and you know it. This is a demonstration of power and not religious prowess. But that said, I cannot stop you from interpreting this the way it suits you best.

BBI will solve it
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Mike Ock
#18 Posted : Saturday, March 04, 2017 10:45:49 PM
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These radical groups exist in all religions. The enemy is not Islam, it's fundamentalism.
hamburglar
#19 Posted : Sunday, March 05, 2017 7:57:33 AM
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2012 wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
More proof that atheism is the way to go.

My heart goes out to the family of that woman. That is the most brutal thing I've seen in a long long time.

You will never see an atheist carry out such a barbaric act. Religions and imaginary gods need to be dumped as soon as possible if we are to ever have a progressive society.

That video is very disturbing but it's a perfect reflection of how evil religion is. Those people are shouting Allah Akbar, just how callous and cruel is that? They actually think that it's justified and that their god approves? Wow just wow.


Religion had nothing to do with this and you know it. This is a demonstration of power and not religious prowess. But that said, I cannot stop you from interpreting this the way it suits you best.


What does Allah Akbar mean to you? These are Muslim fundamentalists and they are doing it in the name of Allah. How is that not related to religion?

If they were yelling "Giniwesekao" then we would say they are Gor Mahia fans but these are clearly Muslims following their religious teachings of beheading.

Quran 8:12 says, “When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.”

The Quran expects unbelievers and those who violate Islamic laws to be beheaded and this act of violence is a divine command from Allah. So yes, this is absolutely about religion and Islamic teachings.
hamburglar
#20 Posted : Sunday, March 05, 2017 8:14:25 AM
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Mike Ock wrote:
These radical groups exist in all religions. The enemy is not Islam, it's fundamentalism.


Mike. If there were no religions there would not be fundamentalists. That's my point. Those two are not mutually exclusive.

You will never hear of violent atheist fundamentalists.
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