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Bullying at Alliance High School
sumuni
#1 Posted : Thursday, March 02, 2017 7:11:39 AM
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Bullying at Alliance High School
This is wrong at all levels.
This is a perfect example of The Standford Prison Experiment at work.
The Stanford Prison Experiment

The fact that fellow students were given so much powers over other students is wrong at all levels.
It is a curious fact that of all the illusions that beset mankind, none is quite as curious as that tendency to suppose that we are mentally and morally superior to those who differ from us in opinion.
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#2 Posted : Thursday, March 02, 2017 10:00:11 AM
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sumuni wrote:
Bullying at Alliance High School
This is wrong at all levels.
This is a perfect example of The Standford Prison Experiment at work.
The Stanford Prison Experiment

The fact that fellow students were given so much powers over other students is wrong at all levels.


Appaling and disturbing. How is it allowed to get to the extent of physical injury? The inquiry should delve deeper and all in administration held accountable.
chiaroscuro
#3 Posted : Thursday, March 02, 2017 10:28:34 AM
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Many parents think that National schools produce good exam results because they teach well. That is simply NOT TRUE. What do you expect when you bring together the brightest children in the country in one school?

National schools do not teach any better than the rest: they just have bright students.

Many years ago, I attended A-Levels at a "Top National School". For the whole of form 5, we had not chemistry teacher. The form 6 class ahead of us had no math teacher at form 5.

We learned these subjects on our own and still managed to score As and Bs in KACE. And I can assure you that there was absolutely NO CHEATING!

My son at Nairobi School tells me there is bullying but not to the extent of Alliance. Some seniors (form 3s & 4s) robbed him of some money at the canteen. Another one robbed his spoon at the dining hall.

In this school, I get the feeling that there is a lot of animosity between all classes: f4 hates f3; f3 hates f2 and f2 hates f1. There was a big fight between f4 & f3 last month. The police were even called in to quell the violence. 20 boys were suspended.

A senior KDF officer removed his son from the school after the boy was beaten badly by form fours. he had to be admitted at hospital.

Apart from the psychological pain of leaving in fear, my son has been safe physically.

This is not a healthy environment for learning and it mus be STOPPED! In our days, bullying was only the preserve of form twos. F3 and above would never do it - it was deemed childish! Today, everybody is doing it and is viewed as a heroic act!

It is SHAMEFUL that prefects are allowed to mete out corporal punishment while teachers are barred from doing by the law. It appears that authority was transferred from the teachers and given to the prefects.
FRM2011
#4 Posted : Thursday, March 02, 2017 10:41:22 AM
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This bullying by prefects seems to be the norm in most national schools. In maseno it's said to be worse than alliance. Also heard nasty things about Nairobi school.

Those with a good memory will remember that time four prefects were burnt to death at nyeri high.

It shocked everyone except students and alumni who knew how hated the prefects were.
urstill1
#5 Posted : Thursday, March 02, 2017 12:36:32 PM
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In my former school before the arrival of a certain principal (now former principal, he was high up there in that heads of schools association), the prefects wielded more power than all teachers combined. Some teachers, especially female ones, could send students to be punished (read torture) by the prefects. The prefects office and corridor area was a no go zone even for the innocent and naive. They had this 'the bereaved kitty' where they used to order class prefects to do monthly collections. They'll then squander the money. All these changed when the above principal joined my school. A lot changed!! Prefects in the schools that were started during colonial times and have ancient building prefects have more power than even the deputy principal. I believe this is one area Matiang'i needs to keenly work on.
FRM2011
#6 Posted : Thursday, March 02, 2017 12:53:52 PM
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urstill1 wrote:
In my former school before the arrival of a certain principal (now former principal, he was high up there in that heads of schools association), the prefects wielded more power than all teachers combined. Some teachers, especially female ones, could send students to be punished (read torture) by the prefects. The prefects office and corridor area was a no go zone even for the innocent and naive. They had this 'the bereaved kitty' where they used to order class prefects to do monthly collections. They'll then squander the money. All these changed when the above principal joined my school. A lot changed!! Prefects in the schools that were started during colonial times and have ancient building prefects have more power than even the deputy principal. I believe this is one area Matiang'i needs to keenly work on.


I won't hold my breath for any action by Matiangi. He was unable to rein on the principals on school fees.

Most of these principals have powerful godfathers. Matiangi can't touch them.
gk
#7 Posted : Thursday, March 02, 2017 1:00:08 PM
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SAD.....one more manifestation of the culture of impunity that is slowly tearing this nation down! People are obsessed with raw power and leadership is no more about service but self aggrandisement!
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#8 Posted : Thursday, March 02, 2017 1:49:52 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:

This bullying by prefects seems to be the norm in most national schools. In maseno it's said to be worse than alliance. Also heard nasty things about Nairobi school.

Those with a good memory will remember that time four prefects were burnt to death at nyeri high.

It shocked everyone except students and alumni who knew how hated the prefects were.


An old boy of the school actually averred it was justified. I thought he was insane but I now understand. He qualified his statements by explaining what he had gone through.
sheri
#9 Posted : Thursday, March 02, 2017 2:24:48 PM
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teachers are cornered when it comes to discipline. They can't beat the students because it is against the law. The prefects on the other hand have become powerful more than the teachers since they are democratically elected by the students. They usually have mini elections complete with a president and cabinet secretaries. And you are here asking where the rain started beating us. Too much democracy will burn this country. But Kenyans are hypocrites.
sumuni
#10 Posted : Thursday, March 02, 2017 3:47:08 PM
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sheri wrote:
teachers are cornered when it comes to discipline. They can't beat the students because it is against the law. The prefects on the other hand have become powerful more than the teachers since they are democratically elected by the students. They usually have mini elections complete with a president and cabinet secretaries. And you are here asking where the rain started beating us. Too much democracy will burn this country. But Kenyans are hypocrites.

At Alliance, the prefects are appointed by the school administration and the principal is very influential in this process. That's why the blame for the run away bullying at Alliance fell squarely at his doorstep. Let him carry his cross.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, March 02, 2017 4:15:32 PM
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Prefects beating up other students in secondary schools almost always happens with the teaching staff's knowledge(and encouragement)!!

It led to students burning up prefects in Nyeri High because they were helpless

What's the reasoning behind an adult allowing students to beat up fellow teenagers?
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#12 Posted : Thursday, March 02, 2017 4:35:02 PM
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what do people expect when they transfer parenting of their teenage kids to institutions, parents don't want responsibility they want someone else to do it for them, how can a kid be beaten up to the point of admission to hospital and yet the parents in that school do nothing.
we are just a crazy society
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#13 Posted : Thursday, March 02, 2017 5:27:21 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
what do people expect when they transfer parenting of their teenage kids to institutions, parents don't want responsibility they want someone else to do it for them, how can a kid be beaten up to the point of admission to hospital and yet the parents in that school do nothing.
we are just a crazy society

I do not think any parent would allow their kid to be beaten up by their age mates

Especially knowing those teenagers are often brutal. It's blows, kicks hitting with hockey sticks to the point of victims ending up with swollen faces and cuts all over
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urstill1
#14 Posted : Thursday, March 02, 2017 7:59:04 PM
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sheri wrote:
teachers are cornered when it comes to discipline. They can't beat the students because it is against the law. The prefects on the other hand have become powerful more than the teachers since they are democratically elected by the students. They usually have mini elections complete with a president and cabinet secretaries. And you are here asking where the rain started beating us. Too much democracy will burn this country. But Kenyans are hypocrites.


Unfortunately, that is not the case where bullying and close policing by prefects is common.
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#15 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2017 12:21:03 AM
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chiaroscuro wrote:
Many parents think that National schools produce good exam results because they teach well. That is simply NOT TRUE. What do you expect when you bring together the brightest children in the country in one school?

National schools do not teach any better than the rest: they just have bright students.

Many years ago, I attended A-Levels at a "Top National School". For the whole of form 5, we had not chemistry teacher. The form 6 class ahead of us had no math teacher at form 5.

We learned these subjects on our own and still managed to score As and Bs in KACE. And I can assure you that there was absolutely NO CHEATING!

My son at Nairobi School tells me there is bullying but not to the extent of Alliance. Some seniors (form 3s & 4s) robbed him of some money at the canteen. Another one robbed his spoon at the dining hall.

In this school, I get the feeling that there is a lot of animosity between all classes: f4 hates f3; f3 hates f2 and f2 hates f1. There was a big fight between f4 & f3 last month. The police were even called in to quell the violence. 20 boys were suspended.

A senior KDF officer removed his son from the school after the boy was beaten badly by form fours. he had to be admitted at hospital.

Apart from the psychological pain of leaving in fear, my son has been safe physically.

This is not a healthy environment for learning and it mus be STOPPED! In our days, bullying was only the preserve of form twos. F3 and above would never do it - it was deemed childish! Today, everybody is doing it and is viewed as a heroic act!

It is SHAMEFUL that prefects are allowed to mete out corporal punishment while teachers are barred from doing by the law. It appears that authority was transferred from the teachers and given to the prefects.


Remember that thread?
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#16 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2017 2:27:18 AM
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sheri wrote:
teachers are cornered when it comes to discipline. They can't beat the students because it is against the law. The prefects on the other hand have become powerful more than the teachers since they are democratically elected by the students. They usually have mini elections complete with a president and cabinet secretaries. And you are here asking where the rain started beating us. Too much democracy will burn this country. But Kenyans are hypocrites.

We have taken this democracy thing too far! Elections are not for everything that has leadership involved! ELECTIONS ARE FOR WELFARE! ASSUMES CONTRIBUTION! We elect our leaders because they administrate our contributions. that is why children don't vote... not because they are not people but rather THEY DON'T CONTRIBUTE! you don't vote for managers - do you? or CEO? just because you are an employee... the shareholders do! they have a STAKE! Prefects are to aid in administration of the school not taking care of the welfare of students.
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#17 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2017 5:34:29 AM
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Sossion says, Kariuki was forced out.
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#18 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2017 6:45:23 AM
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harrydre wrote:
Sossion says, Kariuki was forced out.



Despite the evidence....
Sossion has outlived his usefulness.And he thinks his sole duty is to oppose Matiang'i and call for strikes.

He reminds of some opposition chief who has taken opposition literally.
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#19 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2017 7:36:45 AM
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harrydre wrote:
Sossion says, Kariuki was forced out.


Sossion still relevant?
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#20 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2017 8:25:48 AM
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To my friends who just have to add the word "constitution" to every issue.

What has democracy or constitution got to do with bullying. If in your school you did not elect your prefects, then don't blame us who did.

This is an issue of BULLYING.

The constitution or democracy have nothing to do with it. Bullying is a factor of parenting and school principles.

When you hear that the prefects had an "induction" session, you have to wonder what type of teachers are in that school. Chasing away the principle is not enough.

Every teacher in that school should be investigated for gross negligence. Every parent who knew should be jailed for abuse.

And parents. Next time your child tells you he's being beaten, don't keep quite. Go cause a major fuss in that school. You could be saving your child from accidental death.

Madness in this country.
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