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Scangroup H1 2014 PBT up by 151%
The optimist
#1 Posted : Friday, August 08, 2014 8:52:21 AM
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PBT increased from 101.169m to 253.853m
PAT from 43.624m to 182.69m
EPs from 0.02 to 0.42
Source Daily Nation.
Realtreaty
#2 Posted : Friday, August 08, 2014 11:31:59 AM
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The stock can now go back to 65-75Kes range. I had wondered the reason why scangroup share fell from 64 to 45 Kes?
Aiming 85 kes.
Mart_Consult
#3 Posted : Friday, August 08, 2014 11:40:01 AM
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WPP dilution...
I went into the (Ferry) industry knowing the same thing I knew with all other businesses I went into- Nothing. Then I built it from there. - Sheldon Adelson (Titans at the Table- Giants of Macau)
muganda
#4 Posted : Friday, August 08, 2014 11:51:31 AM
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You have to admire the gymnastics of Bharat Thakar. His business grows by 10% only, which would maybe have yielded negative return but then...
1. Milliard Brown is transformed from joint venture to subsidiary, giving a 280m or 15.4% boost
2. Interst income on money received from WPP gives a 112m windfall

And voila, overall profit perfore tax up 151%.
https://www.nse.co.ke/listed-com...ngroup-half-year-results
Kastone
#5 Posted : Friday, August 08, 2014 12:32:37 PM
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muganda wrote:
You have to admire the gymnastics of Bharat Thakar. His business grows by 10% only, which would maybe have yielded negative return but then...
1. Milliard Brown is transformed from joint venture to subsidiary, giving a 280m or 15.4% boost
2. Interst income on money received from WPP gives a 112m windfall

And voila, overall profit perfore tax up 151%.
https://www.nse.co.ke/listed-com...ngroup-half-year-results


How are you getting the 280M?
“The beauty of success is that it doesn’t matter how many times you have failed, you only have to be right once and then everyone can tell you how lucky you are.” - Mark Cuban
VituVingiSana
#6 Posted : Friday, August 08, 2014 1:16:37 PM
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muganda wrote:
You have to admire the gymnastics of Bharat Thakar. His business grows by 10% only, which would maybe have yielded negative return but then...
1. Milliard Brown is transformed from joint venture to subsidiary, giving a 280m or 15.4% boost
2. Interst income on money received from WPP gives a 112m windfall

And voila, overall profit perfore tax up 151%.
https://www.nse.co.ke/listed-com...ngroup-half-year-results

BT has never shied away from "Interest Income" ... I recall when interest rates jumped to 25%, he took the cash from WPP and invested it while waiting for the right acquisition at the right price. He thinks like an owner because he is an OWNER. A 'manager' would take the cash & go hunting for an acquisition regardless of price so as to expand his fiefdom. See KQ.

WPP had shares in MB [or something like that] and the conversion to a subsidiary is a larger plan to get most SSA businesses under ScanGroup. Essentially, ScanGroup is being converted into a Holding Company and whose #1 shareholder is WPP. I believe BT has only a few more years before he retires or resigns from ScanGroup.
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muganda
#7 Posted : Friday, August 08, 2014 2:17:32 PM
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Kastone wrote:
muganda wrote:
You have to admire the gymnastics of Bharat Thakar. His business grows by 10% only, which would maybe have yielded negative return but then...
1. Milliard Brown is transformed from joint venture to subsidiary, giving a 280m or 15.4% boost
2. Interst income on money received from WPP gives a 112m windfall

And voila, overall profit perfore tax up 151%.
https://www.nse.co.ke/listed-com...ngroup-half-year-results


How are you getting the 280M?

HY 2014 revenue of 2.26bn less ...
(HY 2013 revenue 1.8bn x 10% organic growth) ==
280m
mulla
#8 Posted : Friday, August 08, 2014 8:00:11 PM
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surprising muted response from Mr.market to scangroups marvelous results........
Mart_Consult
#9 Posted : Friday, August 08, 2014 9:19:23 PM
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mulla wrote:
surprising muted response from Mr.market to scangroups marvelous results........


This shall be a quiet climb...speculators will hit when it has only 5 bob more to go...are you an Investor, Buyer or Speculator? One of these knows the true value of the counter...smile
I went into the (Ferry) industry knowing the same thing I knew with all other businesses I went into- Nothing. Then I built it from there. - Sheldon Adelson (Titans at the Table- Giants of Macau)
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#10 Posted : Friday, August 08, 2014 9:34:36 PM
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The rally might start on Monday but bearing in mind that the NSE IPO is also in its closing stages early next week, activities on this counter might be subdued until later next week.
Realtreaty
#11 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:07:54 PM
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Did the share fail to rise even after making an upward profit for half year to 151%
What might have happened? Who presssed the SELL button?
I have been asking the reason the stock moved from 65 to 45 within a week and it has never risen even now after noting the enormous gain.
We have seen stocks like Kenya Orchads gain by 400%. Is it the land factor. And if land factor like the REA, why hasn't Mumias gone up? How much Land does Mumias own?
What if Mumias say there is oil in Busia or say western where they might be having larger chunks?
Mart_Consult
#12 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 6:38:10 PM
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Realtreaty wrote:
Did the share fail to rise even after making an upward profit for half year to 151%
What might have happened? Who presssed the SELL button?
I have been asking the reason the stock moved from 65 to 45 within a week and it has never risen even now after noting the enormous gain.
We have seen stocks like Kenya Orchads gain by 400%. Is it the land factor. And if land factor like the REA, why hasn't Mumias gone up? How much Land does Mumias own?
What if Mumias say there is oil in Busia or say western where they might be having larger chunks?


The H1 gain arises mainly from interest income not business lines...stock price might get ''excited'' Sept- Dec. period...however actions such as the intended acquistion of Experential and other African subsidiaries should improve the bottom line and hence EPS and share price. Time will return the stock to even higher highs. I still believe WPP shareholding increase through creation of additional shares led to price dilution.
I went into the (Ferry) industry knowing the same thing I knew with all other businesses I went into- Nothing. Then I built it from there. - Sheldon Adelson (Titans at the Table- Giants of Macau)
sparkly
#13 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 8:22:25 PM
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Growth by acquisitions ni moto wa kuotea mbali.
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#14 Posted : Monday, August 25, 2014 7:48:08 AM
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sparkly wrote:
Growth by acquisitions ni moto wa kuotea mbali.


correct
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Mart_Consult
#15 Posted : Monday, August 25, 2014 10:14:55 AM
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Wazua elders if you may @sparkly @Aguy , kindly educate me your young padwan on why growth by acquistions may not directly impact bottom-line at once? I thought for instance how Scan has gotten majority control of MBrown then the earnings trickle into Scan's revenues, no? Same to Experential etc etc...??
I went into the (Ferry) industry knowing the same thing I knew with all other businesses I went into- Nothing. Then I built it from there. - Sheldon Adelson (Titans at the Table- Giants of Macau)
sparkly
#16 Posted : Monday, August 25, 2014 10:33:26 AM
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Mart_Consult wrote:
Wazua elders if you may @sparkly @Aguy , kindly educate me your young padwan on why growth by acquistions may not directly impact bottom-line at once? I thought for instance how Scan has gotten majority control of MBrown then the earnings trickle into Scan's revenues, no? Same to Experential etc etc...??


Quite the opposite, the acquisitions may show a very healthy growth in profits.

On the other hand, management can tamper with acquisitions accounting to hide a very expensive acquisition, under performing assets, to transfer risky assets and liabilities to SPVs and other sneaky practices.

This is what brought down Enron and Worldcom in the largest corporate scandals of the time and also led to the demise of Arthur Anderson, the largest accounting and consultancy firm at that time.
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instinct
#17 Posted : Wednesday, February 25, 2015 10:37:57 AM
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Realtreaty wrote:
The stock can now go back to 65-75Kes range. I had wondered the reason why scangroup share fell from 64 to 45 Kes?
Aiming 85 kes.


keep hope alive...
Mart_Consult
#18 Posted : Tuesday, March 10, 2015 11:59:22 AM
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Mart_Consult wrote:
Wazua elders if you may @sparkly @Aguy , kindly educate me your young padwan on why growth by acquistions may not directly impact bottom-line at once? I thought for instance how Scan has gotten majority control of MBrown then the earnings trickle into Scan's revenues, no? Same to Experential etc etc...??


Scangroup now let's go of the Experential acquistion due to "regulatory delays"...possibly looking at a new acquistion?

Still sitting on (part of) the WPP (Kshs. 1Bn +) cash pile...Drool Drool
I went into the (Ferry) industry knowing the same thing I knew with all other businesses I went into- Nothing. Then I built it from there. - Sheldon Adelson (Titans at the Table- Giants of Macau)
2012
#19 Posted : Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:54:05 PM
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Mart_Consult wrote:
Mart_Consult wrote:
Wazua elders if you may @sparkly @Aguy , kindly educate me your young padwan on why growth by acquistions may not directly impact bottom-line at once? I thought for instance how Scan has gotten majority control of MBrown then the earnings trickle into Scan's revenues, no? Same to Experential etc etc...??


Scangroup now let's go of the Experential acquistion due to "regulatory delays"...possibly looking at a new acquistion?


What! That's not good for Exp. This company was a going concern not long ago and now scangroup has withdrawn? Scangroup must have realised they can acquire exp for cheaper once it starts its free fall.

BBI will solve it
:)
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:29:13 PM
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2012 wrote:
Mart_Consult wrote:
Mart_Consult wrote:
Wazua elders if you may @sparkly @Aguy , kindly educate me your young padwan on why growth by acquistions may not directly impact bottom-line at once? I thought for instance how Scan has gotten majority control of MBrown then the earnings trickle into Scan's revenues, no? Same to Experential etc etc...??


Scangroup now let's go of the Experential acquistion due to "regulatory delays"...possibly looking at a new acquistion?


What! That's not good for Exp. This company was a going concern not long ago and now scangroup has withdrawn? Scangroup must have realised they can acquire exp for cheaper once it starts its free fall.

Good for ScanGroup. Though it takes a lot for another bid. I think SG saw the deal as a poor deal as the Due Diligence continued and had a good excuse to bail out. And there may be a competitor ready to be bought out!
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