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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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If you get a child with a galfriend that you do not intend to marry and you want to be involved in the child's life, and since you are not married, you help the child while with the mother, what happens when you get married? Do they take them home (kwa bibi), abandon and disown, continue helping the kid without your wife's knowledge? It's easy for women, they show up with the kid anyway but there are also communities where women do not go with their kids? in such cases, as a husband, would you allow your wife to continue helping the child while in the other man's house? Would you allow the kid to be coming to your house for visits then goes back to the father? Assuming the father is having difficulties paying school fees for this kid, would you chip in? As who? In the event it is you staying with the kid and you arent able to pay school fees for the kid would you accept the other man to bail you out?
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/12/2008 Posts: 215
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Wendz wrote:If you get a child with a galfriend that you do not intend to marry and you want to be involved in the child's life, and since you are not married, you help the child while with the mother, what happens when you get married? Do they take them home (kwa bibi), abandon and disown, continue helping the kid without your wife's knowledge? It's easy for women, they show up with the kid anyway but there are also communities where women do not go with their kids? in such cases, as a husband, would you allow your wife to continue helping the child while in the other man's house? Would you allow the kid to be coming to your house for visits then goes back to the father? Assuming the father is having difficulties paying school fees for this kid, would you chip in? As who? In the event it is you staying with the kid and you arent able to pay school fees for the kid would you accept the other man to bail you out? Cucu, don’t tell us that you are into these kinds of problems I do not want to laugh at you though coz “Rwi itara ruthekaga rwi riko”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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The truth is no man wants to have attachments with the other man. Better she comes with the kid because she'll never be complete with the kid on the other side. Most me, if they love you will take the lady and the kid together but will not marry a lady under such arrangement. It's dishonorable. BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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kimiri wrote:Wendz wrote:If you get a child with a galfriend that you do not intend to marry and you want to be involved in the child's life, and since you are not married, you help the child while with the mother, what happens when you get married? Do they take them home (kwa bibi), abandon and disown, continue helping the kid without your wife's knowledge? It's easy for women, they show up with the kid anyway but there are also communities where women do not go with their kids? in such cases, as a husband, would you allow your wife to continue helping the child while in the other man's house? Would you allow the kid to be coming to your house for visits then goes back to the father? Assuming the father is having difficulties paying school fees for this kid, would you chip in? As who? In the event it is you staying with the kid and you arent able to pay school fees for the kid would you accept the other man to bail you out? Cucu, don’t tell us that you are into these kinds of problems I do not want to laugh at you though coz “Rwi itara ruthekaga rwi riko” No. not at all. But there is someone we are in disagreement with because he has a kid whom he was helping when he was not married but and did not tell the girlfriend, now wife and he feels so guilty about it and doesnt want the wife to know.... the lady(who got he got the kid with has since gotten married) but they arent doing too well... so I actually dont know if to advise to help and how that would affect his and the other guy's family.... the guy is not soo badly off so he can manage to give the kid better education if nothing else. Was just wondering what people do or if anyone knows of a similar situation and how it was handled....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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There are men who feel nothing. They'll father kids and not worry about what happens to them. If anything the kid becomes a 'trophy'. You might have heard someone joke 'I have XYZ kids out there'. I wonder if there are lawyers who sort out such men?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/20/2009 Posts: 1,402
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Wendz wrote:kimiri wrote:Wendz wrote:If you get a child with a galfriend that you do not intend to marry and you want to be involved in the child's life, and since you are not married, you help the child while with the mother, what happens when you get married? Do they take them home (kwa bibi), abandon and disown, continue helping the kid without your wife's knowledge? It's easy for women, they show up with the kid anyway but there are also communities where women do not go with their kids? in such cases, as a husband, would you allow your wife to continue helping the child while in the other man's house? Would you allow the kid to be coming to your house for visits then goes back to the father? Assuming the father is having difficulties paying school fees for this kid, would you chip in? As who? In the event it is you staying with the kid and you arent able to pay school fees for the kid would you accept the other man to bail you out? Cucu, don’t tell us that you are into these kinds of problems I do not want to laugh at you though coz “Rwi itara ruthekaga rwi riko” No. not at all. But there is someone we are in disagreement with because he has a kid whom he was helping when he was not married but and did not tell the girlfriend, now wife and he feels so guilty about it and doesnt want the wife to know.... the lady(who got he got the kid with has since gotten married) but they arent doing too well... so I actually dont know if to advise to help and how that would affect his and the other guy's family.... the guy is not soo badly off so he can manage to give the kid better education if nothing else. Was just wondering what people do or if anyone knows of a similar situation and how it was handled.... wondering as a man..You get a baby, you marry someone else other than your baby mama, your baby mama gets married by a dude who isnt doing well.. and you still not sure if to help your baby with an education if nothing else?... ndingoingo!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Wendz wrote:kimiri wrote:Wendz wrote:If you get a child with a galfriend that you do not intend to marry and you want to be involved in the child's life, and since you are not married, you help the child while with the mother, what happens when you get married? Do they take them home (kwa bibi), abandon and disown, continue helping the kid without your wife's knowledge? It's easy for women, they show up with the kid anyway but there are also communities where women do not go with their kids? in such cases, as a husband, would you allow your wife to continue helping the child while in the other man's house? Would you allow the kid to be coming to your house for visits then goes back to the father? Assuming the father is having difficulties paying school fees for this kid, would you chip in? As who? In the event it is you staying with the kid and you arent able to pay school fees for the kid would you accept the other man to bail you out? Cucu, don’t tell us that you are into these kinds of problems I do not want to laugh at you though coz “Rwi itara ruthekaga rwi riko” No. not at all. But there is someone we are in disagreement with because he has a kid whom he was helping when he was not married but and did not tell the girlfriend, now wife and he feels so guilty about it and doesnt want the wife to know.... the lady(who got he got the kid with has since gotten married) but they arent doing too well... so I actually dont know if to advise to help and how that would affect his and the other guy's family.... the guy is not soo badly off so he can manage to give the kid better education if nothing else. Was just wondering what people do or if anyone knows of a similar situation and how it was handled.... Ask him if he'd mind if roles were reversed and the wife did that to him? The truth always sets one free!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Please tell the mother of the shaod to accept the circumstances and move on. Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/7/2010 Posts: 282 Location: Nairobi
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Mukiri wrote:Wendz wrote:kimiri wrote:Wendz wrote:If you get a child with a galfriend that you do not intend to marry and you want to be involved in the child's life, and since you are not married, you help the child while with the mother, what happens when you get married? Do they take them home (kwa bibi), abandon and disown, continue helping the kid without your wife's knowledge? It's easy for women, they show up with the kid anyway but there are also communities where women do not go with their kids? in such cases, as a husband, would you allow your wife to continue helping the child while in the other man's house? Would you allow the kid to be coming to your house for visits then goes back to the father? Assuming the father is having difficulties paying school fees for this kid, would you chip in? As who? In the event it is you staying with the kid and you arent able to pay school fees for the kid would you accept the other man to bail you out? Cucu, don’t tell us that you are into these kinds of problems I do not want to laugh at you though coz “Rwi itara ruthekaga rwi riko” No. not at all. But there is someone we are in disagreement with because he has a kid whom he was helping when he was not married but and did not tell the girlfriend, now wife and he feels so guilty about it and doesnt want the wife to know.... the lady(who got he got the kid with has since gotten married) but they arent doing too well... so I actually dont know if to advise to help and how that would affect his and the other guy's family.... the guy is not soo badly off so he can manage to give the kid better education if nothing else. Was just wondering what people do or if anyone knows of a similar situation and how it was handled.... Ask him if he'd mind if roles were reversed and the wife did that to him? The truth always sets one free! DITTO
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/20/2009 Posts: 1,402
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Impunity wrote:Please tell the mother of the shaod to accept the circumstances and move on.
..accept and move on? like ask the baby father for help
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/8/2008 Posts: 1,575
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Any clandestine help will yield something else but I think is the lesser evil. I care!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Mukiri wrote:Wendz wrote:kimiri wrote:Wendz wrote:If you get a child with a galfriend that you do not intend to marry and you want to be involved in the child's life, and since you are not married, you help the child while with the mother, what happens when you get married? Do they take them home (kwa bibi), abandon and disown, continue helping the kid without your wife's knowledge? It's easy for women, they show up with the kid anyway but there are also communities where women do not go with their kids? in such cases, as a husband, would you allow your wife to continue helping the child while in the other man's house? Would you allow the kid to be coming to your house for visits then goes back to the father? Assuming the father is having difficulties paying school fees for this kid, would you chip in? As who? In the event it is you staying with the kid and you arent able to pay school fees for the kid would you accept the other man to bail you out? Cucu, don’t tell us that you are into these kinds of problems I do not want to laugh at you though coz “Rwi itara ruthekaga rwi riko” No. not at all. But there is someone we are in disagreement with because he has a kid whom he was helping when he was not married but and did not tell the girlfriend, now wife and he feels so guilty about it and doesnt want the wife to know.... the lady(who got he got the kid with has since gotten married) but they arent doing too well... so I actually dont know if to advise to help and how that would affect his and the other guy's family.... the guy is not soo badly off so he can manage to give the kid better education if nothing else. Was just wondering what people do or if anyone knows of a similar situation and how it was handled.... Ask him if he'd mind if roles were reversed and the wife did that to him? The truth always sets one free! @Mukiri I think this is not the time for blaming now. This situation requires empathy, which @Wendz has already done by listening and understanding the man. @Wendz we know the "friend" story But anyway, whatever the option, she should come out clean. Now three scenarios: 1. The child belongs to the biological father. That is his child because, he is required by the law to provide 100% for the child until 18 years of age. Now, for this case, this man should: - come out clean - Tell the wife that there's something he has not been able to tell her - And that it's disturbing his conscience - That he is asking her to please understand him - Tell her he made a mistake not to tell her something earlier - That while he was "young", from previous relationship, he made another woman pregnant - .... daraaaa!!!!! - this is when fainting or slapping or tearing clothes or .... happens!!! - tell him not to say anything until she has wiped her tears or stopped breaking things - then apologize again and tell her he has decided he is going to support his child since he can afford and that he is thinking of taking the child and supporting the child 2. (I'm assuming it is you getting married) if the woman is able to support the child: tell the guy she has a baby, and she is not going to discuss the option of leaving the baby. And the guy should decide now whether he'll accept her with child or not. If not, then she should not marry this guy. 3. If she is not able to support the baby, then she should let the biological father to take the child. Tell the new husband that she's cutting any social affairs with the biological father. She will only meet him when it concerns the child. And ask him to commit to allow her to visit the child once in a while. NOTE: If the child is a girl, then it's a bit easy for many men. Many will take the woman with the woman with the baby girl. But if it's a boy, then the woman should get a very responsible man, who'll accept this child.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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Impunity wrote:Please tell the mother of the shaod to accept the circumstances and move on.
The mother of the child is not following the father... it is the father feeling bad that he is not helping out with the child yet he finds himself in a tricky position.... he feels he can give the child better than what it is getting now.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/11/2007 Posts: 1,680 Location: nairobi
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He needs to help the kid, its his and nothing can change that. they are so many ways of paying school fees indirectly..education cover , chief..etc.
He should tell the current wife about the kid...buy the "My unspoken series"..just to give her a hint.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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AlphDoti wrote:Mukiri wrote:Wendz wrote:kimiri wrote:Wendz wrote:If you get a child with a galfriend that you do not intend to marry and you want to be involved in the child's life, and since you are not married, you help the child while with the mother, what happens when you get married? Do they take them home (kwa bibi), abandon and disown, continue helping the kid without your wife's knowledge? It's easy for women, they show up with the kid anyway but there are also communities where women do not go with their kids? in such cases, as a husband, would you allow your wife to continue helping the child while in the other man's house? Would you allow the kid to be coming to your house for visits then goes back to the father? Assuming the father is having difficulties paying school fees for this kid, would you chip in? As who? In the event it is you staying with the kid and you arent able to pay school fees for the kid would you accept the other man to bail you out? Cucu, don’t tell us that you are into these kinds of problems I do not want to laugh at you though coz “Rwi itara ruthekaga rwi riko” No. not at all. But there is someone we are in disagreement with because he has a kid whom he was helping when he was not married but and did not tell the girlfriend, now wife and he feels so guilty about it and doesnt want the wife to know.... the lady(who got he got the kid with has since gotten married) but they arent doing too well... so I actually dont know if to advise to help and how that would affect his and the other guy's family.... the guy is not soo badly off so he can manage to give the kid better education if nothing else. Was just wondering what people do or if anyone knows of a similar situation and how it was handled.... Ask him if he'd mind if roles were reversed and the wife did that to him? The truth always sets one free! @Mukiri I think this is not the time for blaming now. This situation requires empathy, which @Wendz has already done by listening and understanding the man. @Wendz we know the "friend" story Not to worry..... I know it too but nothing to read between the lines here. At my age, would i still be worried about this?..... when it happens to me, you'll read it in the papers hehehehehe..... there wont be "friend" story....But anyway, whatever the option, she should come out clean. Now three scenarios: 1. The child belongs to the biological father. That is his child because, he is required by the law to provide 100% for the child until 18 years of age. Now, for this case, this man should: - come out clean - Tell the wife that there's something he has not been able to tell her - And that it's disturbing his conscience - That he is asking her to please understand him - Tell her he made a mistake not to tell her something earlier - That while he was "young", from previous relationship, he made another woman pregnant - .... daraaaa!!!!!The bugger happens to still be young.... <30 - this is when fainting or slapping or tearing clothes or .... happens!!! - tell him not to say anything until she has wiped her tears or stopped breaking things - then apologize again and tell her he has decided he is going to support his child since he can afford and that he is thinking of taking the child and supporting the childTaking the child bit might be difficult... had once suggested that and take it to the mother but the gal refused.... same as her family back in shagsI'll copy and paste this bit.... may be what he needs....2. (I'm assuming it is you getting married Me?? getting married??? Alphadoti?? duh!!!!!) if the woman is able to support the child: tell the guy she has a baby, and she is not going to discuss the option of leaving the baby. And the guy should decide now whether he'll accept her with child or not. If not, then she should not marry this guy. Even when i was young, that was not up for negotiation.... I'd made up my mind, if i had a kid, i was not going to sacrifice it for a man..... so.... point number 2 does down the drain.... but it is good for the young gals here... 3. If she is not able to support the baby, then she should let the biological father to take the child. Tell the new husband that she's cutting any social affairs with the biological father. She will only meet him when it concerns the child. And ask him to commit to allow her to visit the child once in a while. NOTE: If the child is a girl, It is a girl. then it's a bit easy for many men. Many will take the woman with the woman with the baby girl. But if it's a boy, then the woman should get a very responsible man, who'll accept this child. The gal is married to someone else who accepted her with the child.... now, the problem is the biological father of the kid.......... how to go about helping without raffling feathers with the other guy or his wife.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/20/2009 Posts: 1,402
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Wendz wrote:Impunity wrote:Please tell the mother of the shaod to accept the circumstances and move on.
The mother of the child is not following the father... it is the father feeling bad that he is not helping out with the child yet he finds himself in a tricky position.... he feels he can give the child better than what it is getting now. and i again i say he is a nding'oing'o.... His feeling bad doesnt help if he can't go out and offer to do what he should have done in the first place..responsibility! I dont believe story ya what to tell the wife .. he needs to own up..he owes that to his baby!! He should feel bad if he offered to help and the baby mama and foster dad refused!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/1/2012 Posts: 290
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Sounds like one of those African American 'blended' families i.e. Your kids and my kids are arguing with our kids...type of thing. Anyway, let him help, but not directly, or his baby mama's husband will feel emasculated.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/7/2013 Posts: 447 Location: Nairobi
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Wendz wrote:kimiri wrote:Wendz wrote:If you get a child with a galfriend that you do not intend to marry and you want to be involved in the child's life, and since you are not married, you help the child while with the mother, what happens when you get married? Do they take them home (kwa bibi), abandon and disown, continue helping the kid without your wife's knowledge? It's easy for women, they show up with the kid anyway but there are also communities where women do not go with their kids? in such cases, as a husband, would you allow your wife to continue helping the child while in the other man's house? Would you allow the kid to be coming to your house for visits then goes back to the father? Assuming the father is having difficulties paying school fees for this kid, would you chip in? As who? In the event it is you staying with the kid and you arent able to pay school fees for the kid would you accept the other man to bail you out? Cucu, don’t tell us that you are into these kinds of problems I do not want to laugh at you though coz “Rwi itara ruthekaga rwi riko” No. not at all. But there is someone we are in disagreement with because he has a kid whom he was helping when he was not married but and did not tell the girlfriend, now wife and he feels so guilty about it and doesnt want the wife to know.... the lady(who got he got the kid with has since gotten married) but they arent doing too well... so I actually dont know if to advise to help and how that would affect his and the other guy's family.... the guy is not soo badly off so he can manage to give the kid better education if nothing else. Was just wondering what people do or if anyone knows of a similar situation and how it was handled.... I always believe if things didnt work out with the kids father, dont complicate your life move on. Can his wife understand that in the first place? Will it complicate his marrige? unless if its the man insisting.....then, The wife can handle that(but because she will feel betrayed and wonder why he never told her in the first place)Since the child was born before they got together. However they have to agree on the terms with his wife if the kid requires visitation, even to educate that child, if the wife is understanding, she will agree, but if not then that will be a problem. You cant win, unless you first begin....
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/9/2011 Posts: 730 Location: Nairobi
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where does the helping stop, ie if your 'friend' chooses to take 'his' kid to a good private school, what of the other guys kids with whom they live in the same house?.... The step dad wont like that....., our goals are best achieved indirectly
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/25/2007 Posts: 1,574
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A man should leave the domestics and finances of another man's house alone. Wars have been fought because of this. Tell your friend to take the child to a less costlier school that they can afford. Hopefully the situation will look up for her husband and the child can return to the previous school. Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
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