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On finding peace
tycho
#1 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 2:16:00 PM
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How does one to speak in such times as these, when things are running so fast, and not towards the glory of man but to destruction?

Yet I must try to speak; for the answer to these destructive things is conversation.

Among the many symbols that are important, is the one that we saw yesterday at Bomas of Kenya. The government was out there talking about peace.

But is peace a political thing or a spiritual thing? Or is it both at the same time? I waited to see a religious leader speak, but there was none. I am sure they'll hold something similar sometime soon.

That the spiritual and the political are one in the essential ingredient for being for both the individual and the body politic means that the secularization of the body politic was and is an error. And consequently we should decry the disintegration of our identity.

If being requires peace, then all parties involved in being, in whatever the body politic, must allow others to have peace.

That is, one must allow others their spirituality and polity.

But ultimately, spirituality and polity are based on mythology. Therefore we must allow for all variants of mythology.

This means that we need a 'meta-mythology' that would contain all other mythologies. This means of course, that there's an urgent need for conversation along these lines amongst the people of the world, and more importantly the priests and the kings.

Kenya provides the most fertile ground for this conversation. This is because the Christian priesthood has already surrendered to the state (for it cannot regulate itself, i.e. it has no political power), and the state cannot keep itself at peace for it has no spiritual power.

And if indeed we must unite the political with the spiritual, then there must be at least, one person who is conscious of his political and spiritual unity, and this person must be affirmed.

Having affirmed this person/personality, then it follows that this person must have the right to mythologize. That is, the person is the meta-mythology. But what is meta-mythology if not God?

Hence we must affirm the Man God.

And if the Man God exists, then all humanity collapses into the consciousness of one identity. Adding the potential of our informational systems, it follows that resources will be infinite, and Government will be invisible and in-intrusive, and highly efficient and effective; and most of all global.
Annti_Christy
#2 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:23:34 PM
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tycho wrote:
How does one to speak in such times as these, when things are running so fast, and not towards the glory of man but to destruction?

Yet I must try to speak; for the answer to these destructive things is conversation.

Among the many symbols that are important, is the one that we saw yesterday at Bomas of Kenya. The government was out there talking about peace.

But is peace a political thing or a spiritual thing? Or is it both at the same time? I waited to see a religious leader speak, but there was none. I am sure they'll hold something similar sometime soon.

That the spiritual and the political are one in the essential ingredient for being for both the individual and the body politic means that the secularization of the body politic was and is an error. And consequently we should decry the disintegration of our identity.

If being requires peace, then all parties involved in being, in whatever the body politic, must allow others to have peace.

That is, one must allow others their spirituality and polity.

But ultimately, spirituality and polity are based on mythology. Therefore we must allow for all variants of mythology.

This means that we need a 'meta-mythology' that would contain all other mythologies. This means of course, that there's an urgent need for conversation along these lines amongst the people of the world, and more importantly the priests and the kings.

Kenya provides the most fertile ground for this conversation. This is because the Christian priesthood has already surrendered to the state (for it cannot regulate itself, i.e. it has no political power), and the state cannot keep itself at peace for it has no spiritual power.

And if indeed we must unite the political with the spiritual, then there must be at least, one person who is conscious of his political and spiritual unity, and this person must be affirmed.

Having affirmed this person/personality, then it follows that this person must have the right to mythologize. That is, the person is the meta-mythology. But what is meta-mythology if not God?

Hence we must affirm the Man God.

And if the Man God exists, then all humanity collapses into the consciousness of one identity. Adding the potential of our informational systems, it follows that resources will be infinite, and Government will be invisible and in-intrusive, and highly efficient and effective; and most of all global.





spiritual peace is strange. you can see sweet things even if the world around you is crubling, literally. for example, stephen saw peace as rocks were already in the air to knock him out, to give him concussion and death.

political peace means often pretending all is well even when internally you are falling apart.

therefore, political peace and spiritual peace are not the same thing.
Light Bearer
tycho
#3 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:38:20 PM
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Annti_Christy wrote:

spiritual peace is strange. you can see sweet things even if the world around you is crubling, literally. for example, stephen saw peace as rocks were already in the air to knock him out, to give him concussion and death.

political peace means often pretending all is well even when internally you are falling apart.

therefore, political peace and spiritual peace are not the same thing.


You are saying that 'spiritual peace' is authentic, and there are cases when 'political peace' is not authentic.

But there are also cases where 'spiritual peace' is not authentic and 'political peace' is authentic especially when considering two different cases.

But can the difference exist in the same person at the same time? Surely, you wouldn't say that Stephen had no 'political peace' when the rocks were landing on him? In fact, if there were such a disparity in him he wouldn't have chosen a course that would lead to martyrdom.

Therefore, for an action to be authentic, one needs to unify the spiritual and the political.
Mukiri
#4 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:44:03 PM
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This all boils down to the essence of life.. Why do we live?

Thing is, man is selfish. I'll give you a few examples.. starting with yourself. You want peace because you probably enjoy your life and don't want it disturbed. You'd like your property intact and good atmosphere to conduct business. THAT IS SELFISH!
Another example is the politician. He too wants status quo (Assuming he's already in parliament). He wants to keep making his bread and butter. He wants the prestige and power than comes with being called mheshimiwa. In comes several other fellows, all with the same selfish agendas.

Now, if all these people.. you included, can marry your selfish desires in a manner that doesn't cause death and destruction.. this is called Political peace.

Spiritual peace comes in knowing that 'Not by power nor might..' I'm not able to do much, other than through Christ who strengthens me. He tells me not to fret, not to worry, not be anxious for anything; but in obedience, prayer and petition.. trust in Him.


The two can never be the same! It is virtually impossible to serve two masters.. not fully.

Further more, the devil is out there. Agenda clear.. Steal, Kill, Destroy. There are fools out there, who believe in themselves. It is a combination of this two that cause unrest.. Spiritually and politically. And unfortunately this has always been, continues to be and according to Revelations, will continue to be.. until the end of time.

CONCLUSIONS: Get down on your knees and pray. The rest achia Mungu!

Proverbs 19:21
tycho
#5 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:06:24 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
This all boils down to the essence of life.. Why do we live?

Thing is, man is selfish. I'll give you a few examples.. starting with yourself. You want peace because you probably enjoy your life and don't want it disturbed. You'd like your property intact and good atmosphere to conduct business. THAT IS SELFISH!
Another example is the politician. He too wants status quo (Assuming he's already in parliament). He wants to keep making his bread and butter. He wants the prestige and power than comes with being called mheshimiwa. In comes several other fellows, all with the same selfish agendas.

Now, if all these people.. you included, can marry your selfish desires in a manner that doesn't cause death and destruction.. this is called Political peace.

Spiritual peace comes in knowing that 'Not by power nor might..' I'm not able to do much, other than through Christ who strengthens me. He tells me not to fret, not to worry, not be anxious for anything; but in obedience, prayer and petition.. trust in Him.


The two can never be the same! It is virtually impossible to serve two masters.. not fully.

Further more, the devil is out there. Agenda clear.. Steal, Kill, Destroy. There are fools out there, who believe in themselves. It is a combination of this two that cause unrest.. Spiritually and politically. And unfortunately this has always been, continues to be and according to Revelations, will continue to be.. until the end of time.

CONCLUSIONS: Get down on your knees and pray. The rest achia Mungu!


If there is at least one man who is not selfish, then the statement that all men are selfish is not valid. And indeed, you believe that there is at least one unselfish man; the Christ.

But if you believe in the Christ, then you believe in the joining of the 'political' and the 'spiritual'. For instance, the Lord's prayer is both political and spiritual.

Combining the 'political' and the 'spiritual' in a world view that views the two as different is the problem, but understanding and reconciling the two breeds peace.

I may want peace for selfish reasons, but I may acquire it for unselfish reasons; in between, lies consciousness.
Mukiri
#6 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:26:06 PM
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Boss, you call CHRIST, man?

I have no words.. My tail tucked between my legs, nimejiondoa moss moss.

Proverbs 19:21
tycho
#7 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:32:13 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
Boss, you call CHRIST, man?

I have no words.. My tail tucked between my legs, nimejiondoa moss moss.


That Christ was and is man, is a matter not in dispute even between orthodoxy and heresy.

'Hakuna mwanaume mwingine kama yeye . . .' I am sure you have sung in church and local fellowship.

So you are surprised at the fact that when you are looking at yourself in the mirror and saying 'Christ!' you are essentially speaking about yourself.
essyk
#8 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:01:01 PM
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Disclaimer: No stress no attacks whatsoever.

God came to earth as man to die for man.
He could not have been crucified as spirit God.
To redeem mankind he had to take on him the human nature. Did God ever die then?
What happened when there was sudden darkness on earth? A pastor told us God went silent during this time.

We sing hakuna mwanamume kama Yesu to glorify his ability to relate with his creature man.
It doesn't make him less God when I call Him the Man of war or the Man of Peace.Neither does it dethrone him.It doesn't make me God either.
There is a creator and a creature.
When I look at myself on the mirror, I see God's creature created in his own image.
Meaning I am here representing God.
I am his human extension to makind.
Please read the disclaimer above tycho and spare me the big grammer.Sad
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
tycho
#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:07:55 PM
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essyk wrote:
Disclaimer: No stress no attacks whatsoever.

God came to earth as man to die for man.
He could not have been crucified as spirit God.
To redeem mankind he had to take on him the human nature. Did God ever die then?
What happened when there was sudden darkness on earth? A pastor told us God went silent during this time.

We sing hakuna mwanamume kama Yesu to glorify his ability to relate with his creature man.
It doesn't make him less God when I call Him the Man of war or the Man of Peace.Neither does it dethrone him.It doesn't make me God either.
There is a creator and a creature.
When I look at myself on the mirror, I see God's creature created in his own image.
Meaning I am here representing God.
I am his human extension to makind.
Please read the disclaimer above tycho and spare me the big grammer.Sad


It's good that you don't want attacks from me; I have never intended to attack you in any way. But isn't the last statement an attack?

But still, in trying to spare you the 'big grammar' I'll kindly ask you to google on matters orthodoxy and heresy, and wish you a happy reading.
essyk
#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:11:39 PM
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I know you have these grammer muscles which scare me.
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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