I have just come from watching a well respected Bishop saying that the State should help in regulating churches.

Church Kaput.

And most unfortunately, the state is also dead.

What next?

@tycho ...that's how the New World Order will come in - in the name of taming rogue churches. Which church on earth does not cajole for collections?

In Kibera thieves use knives and ngeta. In upmarket areas the pen is enough. In like manner in low-end churches wizi ni open but in the mainstream churches it's done so professionally.

In the book of Acts 2, we see that in the early church people would sell their possessions and bring the proceeds to the church and sharing was done equally. "No one lacked".

No one did what? No one lacked.

I think the govt should start taxing these churches that is the best way to weed out these criminal pastors. The corporate taxes for the church should be 45% of the gross income. I am sure they can pay this becasue they can afford some to live in posh homes advertising on the television etc etc

@coolbull
'In the name of taming rogue churches . . .' How can we have 'rogue churches?' Certainly, these words should not be! But they are. What can be done? Who is the actor?

Can a world order be established without your word? And what would the establishment of a world order without your word mean to you?

That is what I am saying. A lot happened in the union between crowns and the church since Constantine. E.g. Clovis did exploits for the church in France, fought wars for God and exterminated peoples and deposed kings. But because of these centuries-long horrors of the dark ages, nations being newly established after that period expressly prohibited the union of church and state. The prime example is USA with its first amendment of the constitution.

Of course currently it appears that the cross has been extinguished, effete (lol) but then again, the Hegelian principle at work. Like in a pendulum, to create a 'christian' condition in the society, allow / make the liberals to do their thing unhindered (amorality / immorality) and the moderates who make the majority will soon be fed up and demand tough action against it. Of course it goes without saying that the church will naturally spear head this and the politician who can deliver this will get the votes.

So, as you can see from our society and the world over, the liberals are having their say and they are saying it LOUD, soon the church will have its way. This fatal blow, this rotting from within, will be healed. The liberals, in thought and action who want to think and act independently will go and that includes even those ones who still follow Luthers ideals.

BTW, lol at 'It seems it cannot even chase a baby vampire away!'...... funny man you are!