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UK vs Japan Imported Cars
seppuku
#1 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2012 11:21:52 AM
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I have read quite a number of threads here on Wazua about vehicle importation and learned a lot from them. However, I have not seen one that compares vehicle importation from Japan against vehicle importation from the UK. What I have heard from people suggests that UK cars tend to be higher spec than Japanese cars. Also, from my own research on vendor websites, it's clearly easier to find a manual transmission vehicle in the UK than in Japan - which matters to me. The costs don't seem to vary much. In fact looking at what is on autotrader vis-a-vis what is on papera, for instance, I get the impression that UK cars are priced slightly lower than Japanese equivalents. I know nothing about how transport costs compare and this is one area I hope knowledgeable people can shed some light on. Any other relevant contributions will be highly appreciated as well.
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seppuku
#2 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2012 11:39:37 AM
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On second thoughts, it is possible that the slight price disparity I witnessed was caused by the fact that I tended to look at manual transmission cars on autotrader and corresponding automatic transmission ones on papera. Manuals are supposed to be cheaper, aren't they?
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#3 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2012 11:50:48 AM
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seppuku
#4 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2012 12:08:21 PM
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Here's an example of a car I've liked. At STG 3,450 exchanging at approximately 134 shillings to the pound, this car comes to KES 462,300. Now, about how much would it cost to get it here? The CRSP for this car is KES 3,555,585 so KRA will expect KES 376,402, bringing the total to KES 838,702. Estimating agent fees and port charges at KES 30,000, transport seems to be the only thing not factored in yet. And now we are at KES 868,702. Is this making sense to the old soldiers? Is transport the only source of difference (if any) in the cost of importing a car from these two places?
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#5 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2012 12:14:15 PM
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the UK car market loves manual cars thats why majority of cars on UK roads are manual and on the contrary they are cheaper than the autos, I brought in a Nissan primera last year which cost me slightly over 900k to have it in my parking with everything paid for, the good thing about getting a car from the UK is that they indeed have more specs than the Japan models and they have to go through safety tests to meet European standards plus getting the history of a car is easy though this service is chargeable but it gives u assurance that what your buying is fit for human use, finally it does help to have someone trusted dealing on your behalf in the UK as some of the traders on auto trader are are not so reliable
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#6 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2012 12:18:05 PM
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@sepp, it cost me 700 pounds to ship the car from southampton and 124 pounds for the jevic inspection, I shipped the car FOB so there was no insurance cost though this is a risk
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seppuku
#7 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2012 1:51:33 PM
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Thanks, @vky, for the information. Now we were at KES 868,702. Adding the shipping and inspection fees pushes us up to KES 979,118 to get this thing here. Not bad. @vky, any idea what would be the effect of shipping it insured to avoid the risk? And how big is this risk anyway?
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#8 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2012 3:27:39 PM
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the only risk with shipping FOB is that the ship sinks or the car is damaged while its on transit as these car carriers dock on many ports before they reach MSA and the car might get damaged during unloading and loading from the different ports however chances of this happening are very minimal and if you dont want to take chances you might opt for the insurance
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#9 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2012 4:15:49 PM
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contact one @ JKMwatha
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#10 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2012 6:44:12 PM
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vky wrote:
the only risk with shipping FOB is that the ship sinks or the car is damaged while its on transit as these car carriers dock on many ports before they reach MSA and the car might get damaged during unloading and loading from the different ports however chances of this happening are very minimal and if you dont want to take chances you might opt for the insurance

I am not sure, but i asked a car dealer what the insurance covers. He told me that it covers vandalism and damages but the car is not covered if the ship sinks.he was of the opinion that it is reason many people are ignoring it. Any comment on the same from those knowlegable dealers?
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perminusotieno
#11 Posted : Saturday, January 28, 2012 2:04:39 PM
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@ Seppuku, I'm currently stationed in the UK and I can tell you for a fact that the used cars I see here are much higher spec than what comes from Japan. I've seen cars whose Y.O.M. is 2005/2006 costing £3500- £4000. Bear in mind that these are reputable European makes such as VW, Ford, Renault etc. I've also come across some lovely Honda and Kia vehicles but I don't see that many Toyota cars. I don't have that much info on the car trade business anywya but I think you can get a fair deal here.
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#12 Posted : Saturday, January 28, 2012 3:14:45 PM
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UK cars are a million times better to import than Jap cars. you get a higher spec, get a car with a manual and display systems that are in english, etc. There are numerous ways to verify the service history. You can even check the average price of the vehicle prior to purchase if you have the UK reg. I can't actually believe I'm saying this since UK was once the most expensive source...but we've moved from Dubai cars to Jap cars and now to UK cars!
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#13 Posted : Saturday, January 28, 2012 3:54:55 PM
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UK Imports - also try https://twitter.com/#!/karuoro

I've heard good things about him/
Mkimwa
#14 Posted : Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:10:54 PM
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Get used to reading speed in mph if you import from the UK.
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#15 Posted : Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:32:07 PM
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www.eastafricanized.com wrote:
manual vehicles are more expensive

Probably only certain performance cars... In all other cases, manuals are cheaper... a lot cheaper in UK.... even in Kenya... and if you import a manual and intend to re-sell... utajiongelesha.

wanyuru wrote:
contact one @ JKMwatha

Asante... a pint on me.

seppuku wrote:
I have read quite a number of threads here on Wazua about vehicle importation and learned a lot from them....

... Any other relevant contributions will be highly appreciated as well.


Cars in UK lose more than half their value (from new) in less than 3 years

Vky has certainly given you good info there.
but just to add, shipping a vehicle is hardly risky... [Don't quote me]. 99% of cars are shipped bila added insurance.... including high value cars.

There is risk in buying cars without viewing or knowing what to look out for. As Vky says, its wise to have someone in UK who knows a thing or two about buying cars and what to look out for...

eg...
- a car could be 'cloned' so even if you do a search on the history/status, it picks up the details of the original car... you will need to check chassis no. on windscreen/engine/chassis or anywhere else for tamper evidence.

- if a car has 'budget tyres', it is possible that the previous owner was cutting costs and that may tell you something about maintenance.

When buying a car, avoid telling the seller, that you intend to export it. I have known sellers who are only too happy to sell you junk, knowing that there's no way you will return the car once shipped.

Unless you have a better way, consider additional costs. Pay someone to get the car for you. It may cost you less in the long run.
seppuku
#16 Posted : Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:39:33 PM
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Thank you everyone for your very useful contributions. I am sure they will benefit not only me but also other Wazua users out there. It seems you guys think shipping insurance is overrated. As I understand it, due diligence is most important when sourcing for the car and that requires someone on the ground, right? I am not buying my car tomorrow. I’m still saving. Drool It’ll be another couple of months before I make the mark, but I want to gather as much information as I can upfront in order to avoid costly mistakes later. I suppose when I get there I can start asking for references of good dealers I could use. @JkMwatha, you do this sort of thing, don’t you? I will remember you. Now, out of curiosity, if UK cars are so good, how come the majority of Kenyans remain so infatuated with Japanese?

@jbanda, @perminusotieno, That’s a lot of good things you guys have said for UK cars. Thanks.

@tuvok, It seems I need a twitter account to follow your link. Ouch! I don’t have one.

@Mkimwa, as far as I know most UK cars have another scale on the speedo in kph. And even if they don’t, the conversion isn’t too hard to do, is it? It's certainly easier than trying to read Japanese stickers and manuals!

@JkMwatha I won’t care too much about resale value because I intend to keep the car for like 7 or 8 years. In any case, a manual guy is a manual guy. They are not many, but there’s always someone out there looking for exactly that in a car.
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harrydre
#17 Posted : Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:02:58 AM
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Mkimwa wrote:
Get used to reading speed in mph if you import from the UK.


Not true. They use KPH in UK. Most vehicles also allow you to change these parameters or have a multimeter. Read the manual!

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Mkimwa
#18 Posted : Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:13:57 PM
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harrydre wrote:
Mkimwa wrote:
Get used to reading speed in mph if you import from the UK.


Not true. They use KPH in UK. Most vehicles also allow you to change these parameters or have a multimeter. Read the manual!



My bad..

How comes Top gear always quote the speed in mph?
I know some cars have dual-meters showing both mph and kph.
JkMwatha
#19 Posted : Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:12:53 PM
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Mkimwa wrote:
harrydre wrote:
Mkimwa wrote:
Get used to reading speed in mph if you import from the UK.


Not true. They use KPH in UK. Most vehicles also allow you to change these parameters or have a multimeter. Read the manual!



My bad..

How comes Top gear always quote the speed in mph?
I know some cars have dual-meters showing both mph and kph.


@Mkimwa, you're not wrong... The primary measurement is miles... most cars (sold in UK) will show MPH and then 'secondary' KPH within the dial. Some cars like c-Class mercs may only show MPH... but you have an option of displaying km/h within the speedo dial.
Total mileage covered is only displyed in Miles

Compare these two

Merc Speedo .... Navara Speedo
luttz
#20 Posted : Sunday, February 05, 2012 6:15:10 PM
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@ JK,

How is the Navara performance in UK? I am falling in love with Navara Aventura; have chekced prices on Auto trader and those with less than 40,000 miles and about 6 years for about 11,000 pounds. How are the prices generally with private sellers. I will be getting one soon, let me know how you can help please
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