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Equity & KCB ...A goat & A sheep
selah
#1 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 3:20:02 PM
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If you look at this two companies one is left to wonder why KCB seems to be lagging behind Equity in-terms of profitability& efficiency.Take for instance the following scenarios:-

Both companies borrowed more than 10B in the last Q equity had a marginal increase of about 2b in its borrowed fund but KCB which had not borrowed b4 had to borrow 10b at a go and I think this money was to boost its liquidity which increased by about 8%.

Staff cost for equity increased by about 1.2b but for KCB it increased by a massive 3B,operating expenses for KCB has been increasing at an alarming rate jumping from 9B to 14.2b within a single Q while equity jumped from 6b to 9b.

I think KCB fails to exploit its full potential it's a follower, it needs to be proactive like equity which tends to be lone ranger in most of its business strategies, hence becomes a leader while KCB always plays catch up.











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oldfarer
#2 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 3:27:05 PM
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Failure to exploit opportunity, presents an investment opportunity. I will rather invest in KCB, soon or later that is where money will be made.
Wendz
#3 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 3:36:29 PM
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selah wrote:
If you look at this two companies one is left to wonder why KCB seems to be lagging behind Equity in-terms of profitability& efficiency.Take for instance the following scenarios:-

Both companies borrowed more than 10B in the last Q equity had a marginal increase of about 2b in its borrowed fund but KCB which had not borrowed b4 had to borrow 10b at a go and I think this money was to boost its liquidity which increased by about 8%.

Staff cost for equity increased by about 1.2b but for KCB it increased by a massive 3B,operating expenses for KCB has been increasing at an alarming rate jumping from 9B to 14.2b within a single Q while equity jumped from 6b to 9b.

I think KCB fails to exploit its full potential it's a follower, it needs to be proactive like equity which tends to be lone ranger in most of its business strategies, hence becomes a leader while KCB always plays catch up.




Do not forget the restructuring was going on particularly on that quarter. i know several people who left at last quarter hence, their dues had to be settled and some compensation. This of course may have increased the staff costs. we should expect to see reduction in this in the coming quarter if not Q1 of 2012.
Mainat
#4 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:06:09 PM
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One is a Mercedes that purrs over the road, the other is a petrol carrier...
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youcan'tstopusnow
#5 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:26:07 PM
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Mainat wrote:
One is a Mercedes that purrs over the road, the other is a petrol carrier...

Laughing out loudlyLaughing out loudlyLaughing out loudly
I wonder what that makes NBK...
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jerry
#6 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:34:00 PM
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EB underpays it's staff.
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
Gadaffi
#7 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 7:02:48 PM
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Q4 will see kcb record higher returns vs member. This is as a result of gains frm staff cuts n less reliance on forex gains compared to member
GGK
#8 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 7:31:09 PM
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EB treats staff badly. Milks them badly in terms of work-load in order to attain branch-to-branch profitability. KCB on the other hand maintains some branches just for the "national out-look" only.

But after the restructuring, I guess KCB's wage bill will drastically reduce.

There is this new Donde bill about capping rending interest rates, how will it affect the two institutions?


jerry wrote:
EB underpays it's staff.

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Gadaffi
#9 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 7:47:55 PM
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GGK wrote:
EB treats staff badly. Milks them badly in terms of work-load in order to attain branch-to-branch profitability. KCB on the other hand maintains some branches just for the "national out-look" only.

But after the restructuring, I guess KCB's wage bill will drastically reduce.

There is this new Donde bill about capping rending interest rates, how will it affect the two institutions?


jerry wrote:
EB underpays it's staff.


tis bill wil nt see th light of day, bt if it does, it will b one diluted item with no proper legal backin n policy framework.tis is how th billions do th lobbying
mlennyma
#10 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 8:01:47 PM
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Is this why eq bank staff are always gloomy in their faces??wallet empty.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 8:11:45 PM
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Very interesting thread. KCB might be a sheep for now but definitely has a solid foundation(High Asset Value) and certainly going places.
I'd pick the lion as long term,member as short term-think it has now reached maturity stage!
@SufficientlyP
ngapat
#12 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 8:25:14 PM
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jerry wrote:
EB underpays it's staff.


or kcb overpays its staff d'oh!
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KiFagio
#13 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 8:28:35 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
Is this why eq bank staff are always gloomy in their faces??wallet empty.

Dont forget those who matter most - us shareholders - who received peanut dividends last year. The lion gave 1.25 while member gave /80 cts - over 50% less!
Mainat
#14 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 8:50:07 PM
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KiFagio wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Is this why eq bank staff are always gloomy in their faces??wallet empty.

Dont forget those who matter most - us shareholders - who received peanut dividends last year. The lion gave 1.25 while member gave /80 cts - over 50% less!

Kifagio,I can see why you invest in KCB- hesabu imukeweza.

Kulinganisha KCB na memba ni kama kulinganisha Raila na Kamotho, mena na githeri
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Cde Monomotapa
#15 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 9:30:15 PM
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KCB being an older bank has longserving staff while EBL has a younger staff whom you can pay peanuts (then steal from it)
Mpenzi
#16 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 9:35:21 PM
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jerry wrote:
EB underpays it's staff.


Quote figures please.
Cde Monomotapa
#17 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 9:36:28 PM
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KCB Group has now the most attractive and largest capacity to accomodate new business (EAC & KCB S&L) coupled with the drive toward efficiency makes it the best investment choice in the banking sector.
the deal
#18 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 9:55:09 PM
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and NPL's keep on surging y-y...
Cde Monomotapa
#19 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:16:35 PM
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the deal wrote:
and NPL's keep on surging y-y...

...as deposits & loans do the same, SURGE. Rooar!!
ngapat
#20 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:27:33 PM
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Kcb should change its name now that it has regional presence. The name kenya commercial bank in s.s, ug, rwanda and tz doesnt sound good
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