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COOP AGM
selah
#1 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 11:07:36 AM
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I think I will be missing todays AGM can someone update us if you are there.

Especially about the increase in shares and how they will protect us from the imminent dilution.
'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
the deal
#2 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 3:50:23 PM
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They only expect profits to rise 20% http://mobile.reuters.co...4Q14D20110527?edition=af
Layman
#3 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 4:04:24 PM
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So we may get rights next year?
Pedro_Nasinyama
#4 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 4:05:47 PM
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Am told they have retrenched a big group of fellas today. Maybe this will push it to 25%. Less staff costs.
youcan'tstopusnow
#5 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 6:44:35 PM
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Pedro_Nasinyama wrote:
Am told they have retrenched a big group of fellas today. Maybe this will push it to 25%. Less staff costs.

They will have to pay these guys. The benefit of such a move may not be felt in the short term
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selah
#6 Posted : Monday, May 30, 2011 12:02:31 PM
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I finally made it but as it was ending this is what I got.

1.There is no intention of floating any rights anytime soon.They gave a weired explanation as to why they were adding the shares,They said they just wanted the shares available so that when they wanted to increase capital there will be no need of passing the resolution since it would've been passed already.

2.Cooperative bank of South sudan will be in business this year the share holding will be COOP BANK KENYA 70% Government of Southern Sudan 30%.

3.The management is in talks with other EAC member states in starting a corperative movement in those states.plans are in advanced stage to open a coperative bank in Uganda.

4.The management promised to achieve 7 billion in profit in this FY.

I missed alot since I arrived abt 20minutes b4 the end of the AGM .

Am proud of this Kingdom Bank.All its subsidiaries were profitable including kingdom securities.



'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
Burning Spear
#7 Posted : Monday, May 30, 2011 12:46:21 PM
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selah wrote:
I finally made it but as it was ending this is what I got.

1.There is no intention of floating any rights anytime soon.They gave a weired explanation as to why they were adding the shares,They said they just wanted the shares available so that when they wanted to increase capital there will be no need of passing the resolution since it would've been passed already.

2.Cooperative bank of South sudan will be in business this year the share holding will be COOP BANK KENYA 70% Government of Southern Sudan 30%.

3.The management is in talks with other EAC member states in starting a corperative movement in those states.plans are in advanced stage to open a coperative bank in Uganda.

4.The management promised to achieve 7 billion in profit in this FY.

I missed alot since I arrived abt 20minutes b4 the end of the AGM .

Am proud of this Kingdom Bank.All its subsidiaries were profitable including kingdom securities.







very weird indeed....when they want the shares..could be tomorrow or anyother time.Why are they not specific about it?
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selah
#8 Posted : Monday, May 30, 2011 2:00:48 PM
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@BurningS

The MD or the chairman I cant recall said the non-issued shares will act as a contingency in case the bank requires more capital in future.

I think the management will be using the No. of shares as bragging rights since it has the most shares in the banking industry.I cant find a reason why they would pass a resolution which will will affect the bank in several yrs to come.
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invest0r
#9 Posted : Monday, May 30, 2011 2:45:16 PM
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Coop needs capital to set its foot outside Kenya. The fact that they have chosen to keep mum on the details of how they will raise the required additional capital will have a negative impact on the share price.
Aguytrying
#10 Posted : Monday, May 30, 2011 6:37:00 PM
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invest0r wrote:
Coop needs capital to set its foot outside Kenya. The fact that they have chosen to keep mum on the details of how they will raise the required additional capital will have a negative impact on the share price.


i pray that happens, it will be my way in!!!!!!!!!
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Burning Spear
#11 Posted : Monday, May 30, 2011 6:45:30 PM
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selah wrote:
@BurningS

The MD or the chairman I cant recall said the non-issued shares will act as a contingency in case the bank requires more capital in future.

I think the management will be using the No. of shares as bragging rights since it has the most shares in the banking industry.I cant find a reason why they would pass a resolution which will will affect the bank in several yrs to come.



Coop management seem to lack strategy as a reason for holding vital info!
This will make the share head south unless they clarify through investers briefing on how they intend to do with the shares created
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Crusher
#12 Posted : Monday, May 30, 2011 7:59:01 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
invest0r wrote:
Coop needs capital to set its foot outside Kenya. The fact that they have chosen to keep mum on the details of how they will raise the required additional capital will have a negative impact on the share price.


i pray that happens, it will be my way in!!!!!!!!!


@Aguytrying, you may end up being caught in a share with very little ambitions (they are expecting only 20% growth in income in 2011) and with a very poor dividend payment policy (they gave 40 cents in a year that they performed well). Besides, if they will issue right, they must be at a good discount for the Mr. Market to accept them. IMHO, its better to wait for the financing info
selah
#13 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 2:21:23 PM
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@crusher the 40 cents represented a 40% of its profits which is quite generous if I was to be asked.

The new shares will not be listed anytime soon since the management must be given the green light by shareholders in a AGM.

The 20% growth forecast might end up being the industry norm this is because of rise in interest rates and inflation.Many banks are incurring loses in the bond market currently.[actually I got this sneak peak into bond trading from alykhan satchu].The argument is if interest rate rise price of bonds go down.

If you get hold of the banks financial report you will admire the resilience of the bank management I am not worried abt the listing of the shares bcoz I would buy the rights anyway.



'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
mwanahisa
#14 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:07:33 PM
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selah wrote:
@crusher the 40 cents represented a 40% of its profits which is quite generous if I was to be asked.


The dividend payout ratio was actually 31% not 40%. However, one should note that this was a 100% increase in the 2009 FY dividend, a BIG IMPROVEMENT.

The other thing to note is that Coop is growing deposits and their loan book at a much faster rate than most other banks. As a consequence, it would not be prudent for them to pay a high dividend as this may impact on their capital adequacy ratios.

One should remember that their IPO in 2008 did not raise all the money they had targeted. They then made the decision to retain more of their profits than they might otherwise have done.
Crusher
#15 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:29:12 PM
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@selah, other banks like equity and kcb will surely record far better growth than the 20% that Coop is expecting. In addition, the banks that are able to take advantage of the volatile forex market will make higher forex trading income to complement the lower bond trading income.

That aside, how coop plans to finance its expansion to Southern Sudan and other regional countries with higher growth potential remains a big question to be answered. We currently know they even need capital to improve their local operations ratios. If they are to issue rights, then that would be the preferable time to increase ones holding because they will be highly discounted.

My 2 cents
Aguytrying
#16 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:35:58 PM
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I thought someone ^^ clearly stated there will be no rights issue. 20% is a good growth rate estimate and it is sustainable. You cant grow at 70% year in year out. It will lead to a steady rise of profits over time. instead of wild fluctuations.
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invest0r
#17 Posted : Wednesday, June 01, 2011 10:17:04 AM
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@Aguytrying, 20% is not good enough.

On the rights issue, the answer is in the following words by bossman Muriuki, "As the bank is growing, as we go into new products, as we go into the region, in the future we may require additional capital, probably do a rights issue ... Not this year, definitely"
youcan'tstopusnow
#18 Posted : Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:21:45 AM
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invest0r wrote:
@Aguytrying, 20% is not good enough.

Does Gideon expect 2H to be that bad?
I mean going from 57% in Q1 to 20% in Full Year!
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youcan'tstopusnow
#19 Posted : Thursday, June 09, 2011 10:20:09 PM
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This counter has taken a heavy beating recently. Of course that's what is expected when shareholders hear that the bank will grow by 20 p.c
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#20 Posted : Thursday, June 09, 2011 10:50:39 PM
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Guess i amnt the only one noticing...let the weak hands sell...i wish i had money to spare . i would push this price to 14.00 and down.
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