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Getting a HF loan with residence as collateral
Barrywhite
#1 Posted : Monday, April 18, 2011 12:07:21 PM
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Hi Wazuans,

I currently own a house on which l am told l can get financing from HF, with the house as collateral. The thing is a couple of cases l know like this from back in the day, ended up with the owners losing the houses to banks - which were sold for a song by connected bank managers. I also have access to an arrangement my employer has with HF for 6% interest on reducing balance. Any wazuans out there with this HF arrangement? What's your experience? I have spoken to HF and even got all documentation - looks too good to be true. Would like to use the funds to develop some property. But concerned due to historical reasons
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#2 Posted : Monday, April 18, 2011 12:49:49 PM
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You've talked about three different issues, so I really wonder what your question is.

1. Equity Release by mortgage companies
2. Advise on taking loans (fear of taking loans)
3. Assessment of office lending arrangement

So what is your question???
Barrywhite
#3 Posted : Tuesday, April 19, 2011 10:37:15 AM
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Thanks GG.The fear of taking loans was background info, due to past experiences. My question revolves around your points number 1 and 3.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, April 19, 2011 1:59:16 PM
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Anyone offering you a loan at sub market rates is a good person and you should exploit any such opportunity.
More importantly, what is the loan for? If for conspicuous consumption then your head isn't screwed right. If for instance it is a payment to purchase an APPRECIATING asset, go for it. Appreciating because if there was a problem i.e. loss of income, the liquidated asset will leave the collateral (your house)intact and give some loose change - like some sort of saving!!.
luttz
#5 Posted : Tuesday, April 19, 2011 2:32:40 PM
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@ GG
Barrywhite is very clear on why he needs the loan (develop some property). In your response, you talk of conspicuous consumption and a head not screwed right. I don't think it was warranted. Let us help others without use of such words unless we have all lost values
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The Merchant
#6 Posted : Tuesday, April 19, 2011 2:56:57 PM
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@GG....Whats with the cocky attitude men...its not like you have to answer the chap if you don't want to.

@barrywhite...6% is real good,id say you go for it. Now you need to do some maths to make sure the return from the property will cover the financing costs (at 6% this should be possible).
It is also very important that you get a moratorium period of say 8-12 months before you can start payments to allow you to get the property up. The last part is important to make it easier to sleep at night. Property development is not a joke...
Barrywhite
#7 Posted : Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:18:37 PM
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I doubt the returns on the property will be able to service the loan. Again l cant get the moratorium. But l have a few fall-backs that could become handy should l leave employment and have the interest rate go to 14.5% - by clearing a considerable bit of the loan. These back ups are off-shore stocks, NSE, sacco, a life insurance and investment cover and a couple of undeveloped plots. And may be at worst pension. What l am not sure about is whether to go for the HF deal or liquidate some of this and develop the property loan-free; and start all the above from ground zero. Is there someone out there who can look at all these and advice - even if at a fee the opportunity costs and the most effective economic way forward.

I take no offence to any of the above advice. Thanks so far for all.
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The Merchant
#8 Posted : Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:28:41 PM
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Okay, what kind of property are we talking about/Is it for rental purposes or sale/ Surely it must have some sort of return of say X%. Do you have an estimated X% return/ Do you work for HF? The deal you have sounds like that which bankers get, lucky fellows....
mkonomtupu
#9 Posted : Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:52:15 PM
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@Barrywhite if you doubt the returns will be able to service a loan of 6% why on earth are you developing that property? The cheapest loan you can get is 12% from a sacco so 6% is a super bargain. I think you are risk-averse. What you need to look at is just how much of your present income will go to repay the mortgage if it's more that 35% just forget for now until you improve your cash flow. IMHO it would be unwise to liquidate your holdings to develop a property which can't repay 6% mortgage it will just make you broke.

I thought HF has some guys who spew all this advice when they assess your suitability for a loan.
The Merchant
#10 Posted : Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:58:55 PM
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@mkonomtupu....Nah. they are just angling for his stocks & other security plus most of our bankers are not really finacial advisors. Just out for a quick commission Sad
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