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my beef with some "Custodians" of the GOSPEL..
ProverB
#1 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:11:14 AM
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ps..edited Title..original was "my beef with Custodians of the GOSPEL".. i'm refering to those with responsibility to teach God's word..


Pardon me.. i'm trapped in an office with nothing to do.. so let me just vent here. smile


I'v always been baffled by this quote:
Mohandas Mahatma Gandhi wrote:
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. Mohandas Gandhi


..It is wise to say upfront all this is based on the Bible..which to me is God's word.

That said..in my daily walk in this life of a believer.. i have come to realize that
God made man..that he could express his love and fellowship to man.. sin was not a factor..so is living "right"..satan brought sin..tricked man off his dominion..and shackled him to sin..God lost fellowship with man..and begun a process to restore man back.. Dominion in and over earth is man's..not spirits..not angels..not animals..but man..authority is right to wield that dominion..
Satan..angel..spirit..rebelled against God..lost everything angelic..tricked man to give him Dominion/authority..hence an agent (Agency Law?) of man..hid under man..God cannot destroy satan without destroying man..as long as satan is in contract with man.. God is spirit..dominion in earth was expressly given to man..so in a sense..God is bound by his own word..will NEVER contradict himself..seeks to get man's dominion from satan..only man can do that..of self will..Hence Jesus Christ..
1 john 3:8..for this purpose the son of God was manifest..to DESTROY the works of satan.. smile

That being done..all dominion in heaven and earth is with Jesus..satan powers are wasted..damn thug deserves not to live..
ukiona yeye weka tyrE!! NKT!

SO..all this happened that God would have man restored to former estate..of love and fellowship with him..

so, in comes preachers and pastors, the Custodians of the Gospel.. and all they teach is "God is broken hearted, angry..totally incensed and looking to the day to pour wrath on man!! so RePEnt..be saved..you won't go to hell.. and be careful..if you sin..you DIE!!..and GO TO HELL> GO STRAIGHT TO HELL. DO NOT PASS GO. DO NOT COLLECT 200!!"

..Eternal life..they defined as life with no end. DUH!! of course!..even non belivers have life with no end!!..but what did Christ mean by the phrase?

There's pretty little difference between an outright heathen and a nowadays Christian..nothing i Tell you..both hungry..both broke..both sick..both dead-men walking..both hate politicians.. smile... ..i thought "Gospel" meant, and rightly so, " The Good news"... unfortunately..there is nothing good news worthy in our lives!

we take tragedies, accidents, death, calamity as God sent..a loved one dies..we claim somberly, "God loved him more".. How now? My english..as pointed by Ms Kenya in a different thread..is pretty much limited.. but i know what "GOOD" means..and if GOD is good..infinitely good..plus a father in literal meaning of the word..then tell me i ask..even in a vagabond-heathenious-barbaric home..would a father smite a child with sickness for ,well, i don't know, forgot to read the bible, would u break your daughters leg for being mean to her brother?...

GoodNESS!!!!.. the crap we blame God for!! AAAiii!!.. soon u'll hear a prophet declare GOD smote Japan for not hearing Him!! AJE SASA??? which god is this?..coz trully..the God in the Bible..has no mood swings..and doesn't delight in smighting people..

Anyway..Eternal life..for which Christ died..

John 17:3 wrote:
...And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent..


Christianity has been in kenya over 100 years and nobody ever saw that? how now?

..i think the worst thing done by the custodians of the Gospel was to teach fear,Hell and wrath of God..
..rather than relationship with God..To know God is why Christ died..restore u to a fellowship with God..forgiveness..holiness..righteousness..spirit filled lives..heaven..blessings come with the package..coz that's what He is..you gain them from exposure to God...they are NOT A MEANS TO GOD...when you Know Him..they manifest in you..

unfortunately..we are a generation too lazy to seek God for ourselves..we want someone to do it for us..read the bible for us..pray for us..we've made preachers demi gods.. CrAP!!

as a result we have a generation of believers totally trapped in guilt..completely scared of God and cannot trust His love..goodness..grace..a generation that has exalted fear of sin and hell above God..a generation more conversant with satan n judgment than with Christ.. sometimes i wanna slap a pastor!

The reason people hate christians..is we don't know our God... and that's just too sad..
coz if we did..disease..poverty..lack in our lives.. psychological or otherwise wouldn't be. We observe piety and holiness and justice as a means to manipulate and commandeer GOD..we arm twist Him to bless us and castigate anyone with views contrary to ours..
Yap..God is broken hearted..at just how selfseeking we are..

and of venting.
..Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven...Matt5:16
- 1769 Oxford King James Bible 'Authorized Version
selah
#2 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:10:08 PM
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I agree with you on 2 things:

1. satan need to be lynched to death(quoting citizentv yesterdays newsticker of course so @MS Mkenya chill out )

2.We dont read the bible as we ought to .

I disagree with the notion that we have custodians of the gospel.In the begining God wanted man to have dominion over the earth.But as we know he failed,then during Moses time he wanted to restore this dominion by letting pple be the high priests..contacting God directly, but they chose the golden calf as their god,therefore God was forced to separate the House of LEVI to serve him on behalf of the children of Israel.This continued up to the time the children of Israel decided they wanted a king.Upto that time the children of Israel used the priest to serve or communicate with God the direct relationship was non-existent.


Jesus Christ came to restore mans relationship with God which was already strained.King after King had led the children of Israel deeper into sin the only way to cleanse the pple is to use a Scapegoat which in this case was Jesus Christ.His death was to restore our direct relationship with God in that we are all Priest with Jesus as the High Priest.

we are all apostles of the gospel and our work will pass through fire to see how pure it is if it was made of gold it will pass n shine away but if it was made of grass you shall be burnt.


'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
famooz
#3 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:30:33 PM
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proverb wewe uko na beef nyingi.....si you summarise the thing!!!
Robinhood
#4 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:34:52 PM
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Msee,I see I need time to respond to you since I differ with you on severals points but also agree with you here and there.
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
sanity
#5 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:34:17 PM
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If you want peace of mind/soul...wacha maswali mingi..Wewe na Mungu ni kwa Roho yako!
Hope is not a strategy
ProverB
#6 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:03:26 PM
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@selah...
mhmmm...
drop me a mail.. homead.ke@gmail.com
..Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven...Matt5:16
- 1769 Oxford King James Bible 'Authorized Version
Jacy26
#7 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:28:04 PM
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@ProverB

Are you trying to question God? Well, there is your answer...

Isaiah 55:8-9 NIV
8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. 9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
If you have only one smile in you, give it to the people you love - Maya Angelou
ProverB
#8 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:38:15 PM
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Jacy26 wrote:
@ProverB

Are you trying to question God? Well, there is your answer...

Isaiah 55:8-9 NIV
8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. 9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.


waaaaartt?? How now?
Applause Applause
..aaaand what makes you think that? LOL!
..GOD has done his part..totally and completely..by GRace... I'm questioning where this GRACE is in lives of believers..believers living worse lives than none believers..believers who do NOT KNOW just how AwESome this God is and what He has done for them..
...eg...by his stripes you WERE healed..why do you walk sick?..and beg ,plead,bribe God in the name of prayer or even go to LOLIONDO and yet God says YOu are healed.. most of us are born again in our literature and speech but serious unbelievrs in lifestyle.. and so.. i blame the pastors or those in spiritual authority!

..it is because of our lifestyles we who are belivers, that God's name is mocked by non-believers..
Paul wrote:
Romans 2:24
As it is written, "God's name is being blasphemed among the gentiles because of you."


Tehehehehhhe.. Proverb questioning God... LOL!
..Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven...Matt5:16
- 1769 Oxford King James Bible 'Authorized Version
ecstacy
#9 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:52:58 PM
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@Proverb, I like that ability to question the 'unquestionable' not God. Keep searching.
Another example - In death same pardox - ati 'God took him (slum dweller) to a better place(heaven)',but you have the Kibera residents crying inconsolable on his departure to a better place...hmmm...wait for it here it comes...
Ms Mkenya
#10 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:05:40 PM
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@ Selah, I have chilled out...
....above all, to stand.
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