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Stocks Lesson(s) Learnt
young
#1 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:40:00 AM
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Beyond useful topics like cost averaging,cut lost strategies,consider also

(a) Be slow to buy because entry price is every thing. Money at hand has a way of pushing you to place order. Take it or leave it YOUR CASH IS KING.

(b) Time is money,be ready to wait as long as possible to buy low. You do not need to place buy order immediately you have funds,waiting for bargain prices can bring gains.

(c) Plan to buy at a price that is far below your thinking,the kind of price YOUR BRAIN CANNOT COMPREHEND. It is far cheaper and less stressful to delay to buy at a good price than to buy and regret thereafter.

(d) If you loose a buying opportunity,wait with your cash intact for the next cycle. The next opportunity will come even if it is not that particular counter. My long wait for equity to levearage (at earlier one bought at 299) at below ksh 200,have brought a buying opportunity in KCB circa ksh 23. Still waiting with cash !!!

(e) Think of leveraging on stocks with heavy weight in your portfolio rather than on a particular counter. Be careful not to introduce fresh money to a losing counter so as not to sink deeper.

(f) You cut loss on a sinking stock,but leverage on a violatile stock. You do not leverage on a counter that you are not 101% sure of a quick rebound.

HAPPY HUNTING



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Hunter Gatherer
#2 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:41:00 PM
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Wish you had posted this earlier,probably tuesday last week. Thanks anyway
kitkat
#3 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:13:00 PM
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now you know,no further mistakes

kitkat
SUSU
#4 Posted : Monday, October 13, 2008 5:45:00 AM
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Well said BUT ref. to your point #2.'Be slow to buy because entry price is every thing. Money at hand has a way of pushing you to place order'. Don't you think at this troublesome situation getting to know the best entry point is next to impossible? Just When you think the entery point is now ... you get a good surprise the following day just to find that the price has dived not less than 5%. No body cares of Fundamentals andwith a drop of not less than 10% u'll have a long way to wait till u get back ur cash. What do u take as a guidance of ur entry point?
Mainat
#5 Posted : Monday, October 13, 2008 7:44:00 AM
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Not a lesson but a reminder.
The only investors still seeing green on their accounts currently are those who bought pre-2006 or even better,pre-2003.

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Sehemu ndio nyumba
jammo
#6 Posted : Monday, October 13, 2008 8:00:00 AM
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@mainat.... I beg to differ. Think those who made profits and sold and haven't bought back yet. I know of so many.

' I have heard of You,o Lord. Now mine eyes have seen thee!! Baal-Perazim.. The Lord of the Breakthrough!!'
Njunge
#7 Posted : Monday, October 13, 2008 8:10:00 AM
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@Jammo,

I totally agree with Mainat.If i bought NMG way back in 1990 at 10 bob,where would loss come from??........The current market goes to say alot about long term.When everybody is in panick,you can sit pretty and wonder what the melee is all about......sounds cynical but it's a fact.Anyone who's been in this market for ten years and has made a loss??......
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
mlefu
#8 Posted : Monday, October 13, 2008 8:15:00 AM
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my sons and grandsons.. speculators one way or the other make more money that wazee wa karatina...

muthomi mugi aiikagia maitho kabere...
Wendz
#9 Posted : Monday, October 13, 2008 9:47:00 AM
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@Njung'e

I think both Jammo and Mainat are right. their only difference is the word 'only' in Mainat's second sentence.

your NMG example goes and its right coz the dude is still sitting pretty.

However,someone who entered market early this year,bought equity @ 150,sold @340 and hasnt re-entered yet,is still sitting pretty.

Some deals are like glass. Sometimes it's better to leave them broken than try to hurt yourself putting it back together.
Njunge
#10 Posted : Monday, October 13, 2008 10:43:00 AM
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Wendz,

I do agree.But just incase Jesus turns up and says tickets to heaven will be CDS accounts,i maintain long.
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
Mainat
#11 Posted : Monday, October 13, 2008 10:45:00 AM
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I was talking about a sustainable investing strategy. How many of those speculators are still trading regularly today? Those peep who have sold are not in the market. I was referring to investors still at the NSE.

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jammo
#12 Posted : Monday, October 13, 2008 12:42:00 PM
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@mainat...sustainable investing...means at any point in time u are well leveraged out. Am of the school of thought that 20% of whole investment in stocks should be in cash...enable cost averagin as well as leveraging. Am sittin on 6 accounts with total cash 7.2m!..owners don't think it time to buy yet. One particular counter bought 16k KQ in 2002 at 23....sold off at 98 in 2006....sunk the whole 1.5m into KQ again at 58... Sold off whole 28KQ last week at 45...to cut off losses..intendin to put a buy when bottomed out....possibly sub34...which it hit today. Do the math..and tell me really whether he'd be better off holdin the 2002 stake. Same with east africa cables..which is at 28-29 level.

' I have heard of You,o Lord. Now mine eyes have seen thee!! Baal-Perazim.. The Lord of the Breakthrough!!'
ellli
#13 Posted : Monday, October 13, 2008 3:13:00 PM
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Jump from a sinking ship and wait for it at the botttom of the ocean,and then board it!

lovely site!
ngapat
#14 Posted : Monday, October 13, 2008 5:48:00 PM
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i've lost all gains i've made since my debut in stocks during the 2006 bull market. That means i've been doing zero work. ' I STARTED WITH NOTHING & I STILL GOT MOST OF IT LEFT'
“Invest in yourself. Your career is the engine of your wealth.”
WorreniPafeti
#15 Posted : Monday, October 13, 2008 8:16:00 PM
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Think fo urself,plan out strategy and never hold your thoughts and beliefs and tenets as Gospel truth. Use them to take you to the next level only. Be adaptible. Break your own rules once in a while for a good cause and good chums.


@ young
(b) Time is money,be ready to wait as long as possible

- You may end up watching one counter while the harvest is on the other counters


c) Plan to buy at a price that is far below your thinking,the kind of price YOUR BRAIN CANNOT COMPREHEND -
That is bearish thinking. Before this storm when the market was a bull,prices were not going tremendously downward. it just so happened that the prices dropped this year from last drop 2002. Does that mean u wud have held your money from then till now?


(f) You cut loss on a sinking stock,but leverage on a violatile stock. You do not leverage on a counter that you are not 101% sure of a quick rebound.
- MY Lesson learned,you are never 50% sure leave alone 101% with stocks. So far no one has explained why cables romped last year,equity busted up then out despite 200% improvement of profit b4 tax. Explain to me why Mumias with a dividend payout of roughly 5%,probably the best this year is dropping like hot bricks down an ice cream tunnel.



To the guys who bought nation at 10/= and chall out,gud on you. But how about a speculator who wud have bought and sold 500 times since then including mumias of 2002/2003,cables,equity,NIC of last year and all the other crazy shares in between ? He may be down a little red right now but living in a phat crib with a phat ride and a fat wife



while guys are holding on with fists clenched white with a never sell attitude,others got out of safaricom at 5.50 and are now back in at 4 bob.



Hind sight seems to make us think we can now see the future better!



The one thing I have learnt best from Robert kiyosaki is listen to advice but THINK FOR UR SELF!
jammo
#16 Posted : Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:25:00 AM
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@ngapat.... Fire your advisor! O drat! Its u!

' I have heard of You,o Lord. Now mine eyes have seen thee!! Baal-Perazim.. The Lord of the Breakthrough!!'
young
#17 Posted : Saturday, October 18, 2008 7:24:00 PM
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@worrenipafeti

Everoyne think beariish in terms of entry price to buy a counter SO AS TO BUY AT THE DOWN SWING IE THE CHEAPEST POSSIBLE PRICE.

Look at it this way will YOU feel good to buy wonderful counter A today at 100 bob and four days after it is 80 bob,notwitstanding the promising fundamentals ?

KCB is a handy example. 23 Bob on mon 13th Oct was good enough but by holding my cash it is gettig towards 20 bob and below on Fri 17th oct . Is KCB not a good stock ? This same cash was ready since early sept when KCB was 27 bob but see now ??? i WAS ACTUALLY WAITING FOR EQUITY THEN OPPORTUNITY FOR KCB BECKONS. THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF WAITING.





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ngapat
#18 Posted : Saturday, October 18, 2008 9:49:00 PM
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another lesson! do not follow all advices on this site. I've lost my hard earned cash severally by following some advices here. i recommend u research as well.
“Invest in yourself. Your career is the engine of your wealth.”
MARREX
#19 Posted : Monday, October 20, 2008 8:38:00 AM
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young
#20 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:40:00 PM
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FOR THOSE THAT CARED TO LISTEN SINCE OCT 12 THAT I POSTED THIS INFO AND BECOME MORE CAREFUL IN HOLDING THEIR CASH AND WATCHING THE MARKET I BELIEVE THEY ARE LUCKY.

I WILL STATE AGAIN AND AGAIN THAT THERE IS A TECHNIQUE OF HANDLING BEAR MARKET AND ALSO MAKING A FAIR ESTIMATE OF HOW LOW A COUNTER WILL GO. MANY OF US HERE HAVE NOT MANAGED BEARISHNESS BEFORE.

THE STORY OF SPREAD BUY,OR BUY BUY BUY BUY IN BEAR MARKET IS NOT THE BEST BECAUSE YOU CANNOT HAVE MONEY ALL THE TIME,OUR BROKERS ARE INEFFICIENT SO EVEYTHING WILL BE MUDDLED UP AND YOU CANNOT CONTINUE TO BUY INDEFINITELY. IF YOU BUY EQUITY AT SAY 300,IT IS NOT WISE TO BUY AT 280,270,240,220,200,170,160 TILL KINDDOM COME ??? THERE IS A BETTER TECHNIQUE.

IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO LISTEN TO STUPID YOUNG,READ BOOKS AND GET FACTS ON INVESTING IN BEARISH MARKET DO NOT BASE YOUR JUDGEMENT ON HEARSAY AND POPULAR OPINION.

AS USUAL I HOPE SK COLLEAGUES WILL NOT MAKE TOO MUCH MISTAKE AND INCURE MUCH MORE LOSSES IN THE POPULAR SPREAD BUY AND BUY BUY BUY THEORY.

I AM JUST A LONELY VOICE. UP TO YOU TO DECIDE. I WRITE THIS BECAUSE I PRAY FOR SOMETHING GOOD FOR BELOVED KENYANS AND OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN NSE (NAIROBI).

IT IS BETTER TO LEARN BY INFO THAN TO LEARN BY EXPERIENCE. NOBODY CAN BUY EXPERIENCE. IT IS BEST TO KNOW HOW TO OPERATE IN ALL MARKET CONDITIONS.

LOVE TO ALL,

YOUNG,

LAGOS,NIGERIA



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