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Building Qualty Houses at Affordable Prices
young
#1 Posted : Monday, February 28, 2011 1:04:22 AM
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Consider the following :-

People :- The quality and intergrity of your workmen

Materials :- Try to source materials at reasonable prices. You may need to go the extra length to sourse your materials directly by by-passing middlemen to cut cost.


Supervision:- Direct supervision by you or a trusted represntative is a must.
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Njung'e
#2 Posted : Monday, February 28, 2011 12:07:32 PM
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@Young,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and knowledge.

I have a friend in UG (Near Tororo), who has built a beautiful rural retreat house using ISSBs.The cost seems unbelievably low.This coming week-end,I'll pass by his place and take some shots of the house and possibly post here but from the few i have seen from his mobile phone,the house looks so aesthetic.I'll also post on a new and cheap ceiling concept which he has used and involves cement and perforated MS plates....Hopefully....but meanwhile,sample a wall made from ISSBs.The inner wall may be plastered but not necessary while the outer wall is finished with varnish and painted keys.

Rgds.



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Stealth
#3 Posted : Monday, February 28, 2011 12:32:46 PM
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@ Njung'e

the house looks good. This we need to import to kenya. Any mathematics of the costs to help pple make a decision.
K22
#4 Posted : Monday, February 28, 2011 12:43:33 PM
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This method of building houses is already in kenya.... The machines (albeit manual) are sold by some SME called Makiga Engineering.

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Njung'e
#5 Posted : Monday, February 28, 2011 1:48:43 PM
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@Stealth,
A little help maybe.An ISSB manual machine from Makiga will cost you kindu 80K including training.With four able men,you can make 400 ISSBs per day.Depending on the type of soil you use,you can make 100-150 ISSbs from one packet of cement.The Size of one ISSB is 290mm long by 140mm wide X 115mm high.My friends house is a three bedroomed house with a single garage,Kitch,office,D/R,two baths and spacious sitting room and he used roughly 8,000 ISSBs although he saved by employing a tuscany/Bali roof design.....Do the math and post...smile

catch up some more from their website.

http://www.makiga-engineering.com/
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Chaka
#6 Posted : Monday, February 28, 2011 2:30:40 PM
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Njung'e
How much soil did he use?
alfkaris44
#7 Posted : Monday, February 28, 2011 2:52:47 PM
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Njunge,

Kindly share info once you visit you buddy @ Tororo regarding total cost of the project till completion.

email details as follows kmwaniki2007@gmail.com
earthvoice
#8 Posted : Monday, February 28, 2011 2:56:08 PM
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young wrote:
Consider the following :-

People :- The quality and intergrity of your workmen

Materials :- Try to source materials at reasonable prices. You may need to go the extra length to sourse your materials directly by by-passing middlemen to cut cost.


Supervision:- Direct supervision by you or a trusted represntative is a must.


Any building contractors you would like to recommend?
"All intelligent investing is value investing -- acquiring more than you are paying for. You must value the business in order to value the stock." - Charlie Munger.
Njung'e
#9 Posted : Monday, February 28, 2011 3:14:35 PM
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@Chaka,
I can't say for dead but as appears in picture i would estimate the two pits where he excavated soil from at no more than 6 cubic metres.

@karis,
Will try.Let's see that come Monday,God willing.
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Chaka
#10 Posted : Monday, February 28, 2011 3:23:51 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
@Chaka,
I can't say for dead but as appears in picture i would estimate the two pits where he excavated soil from at no more than 6 cubic metres.

@karis,
Will try.Let's see that come Monday,God willing.


Njung'e,
Ok, one more question.Can black cotton soil be used to make the bricks?
Papa Investor
#11 Posted : Monday, February 28, 2011 4:01:01 PM
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earthvoice wrote:
young wrote:
Consider the following :-

People :- The quality and intergrity of your workmen

Materials :- Try to source materials at reasonable prices. You may need to go the extra length to sourse your materials directly by by-passing middlemen to cut cost.


Supervision:- Direct supervision by you or a trusted represntative is a must.


Any building contractors you would like to recommend?



Would also be absolutely interested in getting the contact of a RELIABLE + HONEST contractor.....
Njung'e
#12 Posted : Monday, February 28, 2011 4:21:58 PM
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@Chaka,
From my own point of view,i would say black cotton can be used although you would need to add some amount of river sand due to the sticky nature of the soil and it would also present high levels of shrinkage than red soil.Let's say red soil especially from ant hills would be most ideal (I guess ants were not stupid..lol).....but that's just my point.I'll do some more digging(Pun intended??)
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Wendz
#13 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:23:39 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
@Chaka,
From my own point of view,i would say black cotton can be used although you would need to add some amount of river sand due to the sticky nature of the soil and it would also present high levels of shrinkage than red soil.Let's say red soil especially from ant hills would be most ideal (I guess ants were not stupid..lol).....but that's just my point.I'll do some more digging(Pun intended??)


My only reservation with the ISSBs i have seen being made around is that the finished block is rough and looks sub standard..... the final house ends up looking cheap and of poor workmanship. Is there someone out there who is doing high-quality finished blocks? I would be interested to know more.

@Njung'e - Find out their contractor's contacts too, reliability, costs etc... Ugandans have a way of playing with materials and designs and come out very nice.
K22
#14 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:32:35 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
@Chaka,
From my own point of view,i would say black cotton can be used although you would need to add some amount of river sand due to the sticky nature of the soil and it would also present high levels of shrinkage than red soil.Let's say red soil especially from ant hills would be most ideal (I guess ants were not stupid..lol).....but that's just my point.I'll do some more digging(Pun intended??)


I have attended one of the 'seminars' conducted by Makiga guys. They discourage completely usage of Black Cotton soil. Best is red soil which requires minimal cement as a stabiliser (in the tune of 1 bag for 14 wheelbarrows of soil)- other types of soil will require more cement

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Njung'e
#15 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:07:59 PM
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@Wendz,
You could be right in the sense that there are many local "manufacturers" of ISSB machines.Some very crude and they end up making awful blocks....but wait until you see this one.Actually,it was not done by a contractor.Just some experienced fundi and wait until you see the workmanship.I rarely get impressed but this one wins me twice over.
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Wendz
#16 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2011 2:00:28 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
@Wendz,
You could be right in the sense that there are many local "manufacturers" of ISSB machines.Some very crude and they end up making awful blocks....but wait until you see this one.Actually,it was not done by a contractor.Just some experienced fundi and wait until you see the workmanship.I rarely get impressed but this one wins me twice over.


I'll be waiting... It will be great to see some well finished house.... Like the ones done in SA for the same material have beautiful finishing.

Remember to take contacts and all the finer details.... it will help us.
fuchu
#17 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2011 4:49:42 PM
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Wendz wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
@Wendz,
You could be right in the sense that there are many local "manufacturers" of ISSB machines.Some very crude and they end up making awful blocks....but wait until you see this one.Actually,it was not done by a contractor.Just some experienced fundi and wait until you see the workmanship.I rarely get impressed but this one wins me twice over.


I'll be waiting... It will be great to see some well finished house.... Like the ones done in SA for the same material have beautiful finishing.

Remember to take contacts and all the finer details.... it will help us.


@ Guka, am also interested in the finer details. In my next project I will consider these interlocking blocks.
young
#18 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2011 5:52:16 PM
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@Mzee Njunge,

You are welcome, your good guidance when I was shopping for a plot in Uganda for a holiday home will ever remain evergreen in my memory. Simply put you suggested that I should choose either Entebbe road or Jinja road. My choice of Entebbe road was spot on. No regrets at all.

Asante Sana.

@Others
I am not in a vantage position to recommend a good builder (Fundi ?) as I do not reside in Kenya. Interact with honest and sincere house owners and they will give you a good fellow. But you also have to know the nitty gritty of building a house as you can not base all your judgements from the "expert opinions" as their recommendations may sometimes be more costly or too generous that attracts a lot of costs.

Go through questions for the architects column you will learn some new things.




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young
#19 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2011 5:55:23 PM
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Locate Questions for the architect under :-

MARKET---->TECHNICAL


http://www.wazua.co.ke/f....aspx?g=posts&t=6075
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
reithi
#20 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2011 6:23:18 PM
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Great topic.

Looking forward to the pictures and contacts.

I have also seen one using fine crushed stone (normally used for road construction)instead of soil though this is more expensive but still cheaper than conventional dressed stones. The resultant blocks were very solid.
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