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Spend.thrift
#1 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:19:36 PM
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These things being touted by insurance agents. I have listened to one too many and would like to pose for advice on this crazy-wise platform. Is it a worthy investment for a child of three years? Is there anyone whose college fees been paid from these matured policy?

If so, what are companies to be trusted and what other things should one watch out for.

I have always adviced my friends against non-compulsory insurance policies but maybe things have chnaged.
bwenyenye
#2 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:46:50 PM
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You had better invest the amount you have in Bonds and Bills. You may not make much, but you will not lose your money either. Insurance companies and their agents in Kenya are mostly professional conmen accroding to me! My other half decided to invest in this thing about four/ five years ago. My friend, it has now turned into a comedy. They cannot give her statements, the ones they give are wrong ( they say they have not received money yet it is on payroll). The money was to mature after I think seven years but now the guys have began to get very hazy. They will hardly respond to email and must be cajoled to give any statements. The agents who set it up have now not very interested as they ceased earning commissions after three years. Yet this is one of the big companies. She had to liquidate another scheme that also started maajabu..

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Wendz
#3 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:14:24 PM
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@Spend.thrift

I will tell you something and hope it will make sense. Some 5 years ago, a saleslady approached me with a similar product from a reputable insurance company. My colleagues took for their children. She told me, after I think 13yrs(that's when he'd have been expected to be in form 1 or so), i will have contributed around 500k in total. when it matures, i would get around 1m or 1.5m for the child's education. She was also willing to take a lump sum in advance (which i actually had). I, having worked for an actuarial firm at some point - so i know how insurance companies work, and with some finance background, I knew I surely could do better on my own than the offer. If its gonna take you a decade to double your money, then something is really wrong.... So i took the amount and bought a quarter acre at Syokimau and was left with a handsome change... 5 years on, you know what the prices are with no more investments except just a basic fence, less hassles, and am still waiting for the 13th year..... My colleagues however are still faithfully paying their instalments. Even if i had taken a soft loan, i'd have cleared by now and the investment would still be worth it! In 8 years time, given the rate at which the school fees is going up, how much do you think your kid will need and how much would be left for college? Add inflation! Add the skyrocketing of other investments that you would think you'd acquire once you get the lump sum.....

that said, i know insurance products are very important for rainy days.... but for education/life/investment insurance products etc if you have money, i think you can do better than what they can offer - even with just equities. i know for sure if i had insured my life for 10 million, i'd still be paying a hefty monthly installments, yet, with investments, you can easily surpass that in a few years and still have room for growth...... But don't be cheated... i do have a life insurance... but through employer.

However, medical covers, travel insurance and car/accident insurance products are a must...

But that's me.
K22
#4 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:15:26 PM
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@Bwenyenye Which insurance did your better half take the policy with? Name & Shame

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winston
#5 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:25:00 PM
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There are definately other investments that will give you a higher return in the long run than an insurance life/education policy. However those investments do not provide you with the life cover incase you die before maturity.

The life insurance premium is generally divided into 3 parts. One part is the cost of providing life cover, the other is the administrative costs(including commission) and the last is investment funds. Thus you could say pay 10,000 a month, but the funds credited/or set aside for investment are say 7,000. so not the whole amount goes to investment. Hence the lower returns.

The question is whether you feel the need to have 'life insurance'. If no then other investments are better. if yes then there are two options. You can purchase the life policy/education and wait for the maturities or you can separately buy life cover (Only) and invest the balance of funds yourself.

Personally I would go for the life cover up to a point. Thereafter, get life cover only and invest the rest myself.

Agents are notorious for leaving insurance companies. They reach a saturation point and move on to another insurance company with different product, different commission structures.

The are a number of good insurance companies. But you must from the start work closely with the insurance company (the agent will, for the commission, mis-sell ie sell you the wrong thing as long as it gets him the commission). Most of their systems can produce statements at anytime. Just do your homework as you would any investment. It is a long-term investment.

Hope the long story above helps.



Spend.thrift
#6 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:33:58 PM
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Wendz wrote:
@Spend.thrift

I will tell you something and hope it will make sense. Some 5 years ago, a saleslady approached me with a similar product from a reputable insurance company. My colleagues took for their children. She told me, after I think 13yrs(that's when he'd have been expected to be in form 1 or so), i will have contributed around 500k in total. when it matures, i would get around 1m or 1.5m for the child's education. She was also willing to take a lump sum in advance (which i actually had). I, having worked for an actuarial firm at some point - so i know how insurance companies work, and with some finance background, I knew I surely could do better on my own than the offer. If its gonna take you a decade to double your money, then something is really wrong.... So i took the amount and bought a quarter acre at Syokimau and was left with a handsome change... 5 years on, you know what the prices are with no more investments except just a basic fence, less hassles, and am still waiting for the 13th year..... My colleagues however are still faithfully paying their instalments. Even if i had taken a soft loan, i'd have cleared by now and the investment would still be worth it! In 8 years time, given the rate at which the school fees is going up, how much do you think your kid will need and how much would be left for college? Add inflation! Add the skyrocketing of other investments that you would think you'd acquire once you get the lump sum.....

that said, i know insurance products are very important for rainy days.... but for education/life/investment insurance products etc if you have money, i think you can do better than what they can offer - even with just equities. i know for sure if i had insured my life for 10 million, i'd still be paying a hefty monthly installments, yet, with investments, you can easily surpass that in a few years and still have room for growth...... But don't be cheated... i do have a life insurance... but through employer.

However, medical covers, travel insurance and car/accident insurance products are a must...

But that's me.


@ Wendz, I read you like a James Hardley Chase. Your view is that there are better ways to grow your money than through an education policy. I agree.

However, I seriously started thinking about yesterday after a sand laden truck nearly crashed my car on that Langata road drift just after Bomas. They say if you die and are unable to continue paying the annual or half yearly premiums, the company will still pay after the 14 years. Have you friends had any difficulties like Bwenyenye's?

@Bwenyenye. Which company was this? You can even use figurative language if you do not want to name.
niando
#7 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:14:30 PM
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:17:56 PM
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YesuWangu
#9 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:44:58 PM
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CFC Life is quite hogwash.

Or at least the CFC Life agent I dealt with. I took out an educator policy through this agent. He was a friend and neighbour. One day, I sat down with an in-law, who also worked for CFC Life as an agent and she took me through that policy with a fine tooth comb. It was an open discussion and she told me things. Apparently, I had been duped and was not going to get value for my money.

When I tried contacting my agent to shed light on a few things he started becoming shifty. My take is that so long as he made his commissions, all was fair.

I canceled the policy after contributing for about 7 months. I would like my money back. Damn CFC Life!
bwenyenye
#10 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:00:11 PM
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@ Spend.thrift,

CFC
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