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Raw deal from the NSE, Ghana Stock Exchange = Real Thing
young
#21 Posted : Monday, August 16, 2010 8:52:46 PM
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Yep Pkoli your findings will be useful to other wazuarians.

Personally I cannot imagine how an investor will just trade or invest in one market, become a local champion and is fulfilled when there are bountless opportunities elseway.


It is more interesting , more exciting but strange.

Even African fund managers do not do that.


The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
youcan'tstopusnow
#22 Posted : Monday, August 16, 2010 9:48:50 PM
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Pkoli, don't forget to get back to us when you find the answers from your broker. Many thanks
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
qw25041985
#23 Posted : Monday, August 16, 2010 9:52:11 PM
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Yeah @ pk . Please get back to us. Much appreciated .
Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
young
#24 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:52:41 AM
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@Chief Kpoli,


A little observation :-

AA Ghana though big do not have a website to see more details about account opening procedure for interested wazuarians,, is that of Uganda and Kenya the same ?

I hope phone conversation will suffice.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
PKoli
#25 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:24:08 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Pkoli, don't forget to get back to us when you find the answers from your broker. Many thanks


Hi Pals,

I sent a mail to African Alliance Ghana yesterday after obtaining the address from website of the link that Mzee young had given us: Please see the response:

Thank you for your interest in doing business with African Alliance Securities Ghana Ltd (AASG), a Licensed Dealing Member of the Ghana Stock Exchange (GSE).

Due to the difference in the Know your client (KYC) requirements of each country, you must have separate accounts in each country office. However for only institutional investors using custodians, we currently provide this service where such clients can open an account and deal with one business while executing trades on various African markets. We are currently streamlining our procedures to allow for trading across countries for individuals.

You will therefore have to open a separate account with us

Automation of the GSE trading and settlement platforms has transformed the processes by which trade is carried out on the GSE. Below are the details about the new procedures involved:

A prospective investor must first open a brokerage account with AASG and a depository account in the GSE Securities Depository (GSD) prior to trading in securities.


Opening a Brokerage Account

· Individuals
The investor completes AASG’s Account Opening Form (AOF) giving some personal details, a color passport picture, a copy of an identification document (voter card, driving licence, passport, national id) , bank details and evidence of the bank details provided (cancelled cheque, bank statement).

Opening a Depository Account

To open the depository account in the GSD, investors must complete a GSD Securities Account Registration Form (GSD 1a for Individuals and GSD 1b for institutional investors).

Purchasing/Selling securities

· Purchase

If not using custodians, the client completes a purchase order either by mail or in person, after which the trade would be executed only against cleared funds (deposits can be made by cheque, bank transfer or direct cash deposit into AASG’s Clients Account and evidence of the deposit submitted).

· Sale

If not using custodians, the client completes a sale order either by mail or in person, after which the trade would be executed against the client’s holdings per their depository account.


Settlement

Settlement is on T+3.

The market does not recognise trade failures although there may be a delayed settlement.

In addition the exchange has established a fidelity fund for compensating investors in cases where brokers are unable to satisfy claims in respect of liability incurred by them in connection with stock broking business.

Fees

· Equities
The Ghana Stock Exchange stipulates the maximum total commission and levies chargeable as 2.5% of the value of the transactions. The total levies and commission are made up as follows:

Regulatory Levies (non-negotiable)Broker CommissionTotal Levies + Commission
GSESECGSDCMarket dev’tMaximumMaximum
0.35%0.15%0.15%0.05%1.8%2.5%


Our quoted broker commission is 1.5%, although we may give discounts depending on the size of the transaction. Therefore as regulatory levies amount to 0.7% of the value of the transaction, the total levies and commissions we charge is 2.2%.

· Bonds
The Ghana Stock Exchange stipulates the maximum total commission and levies chargeable as 0.145% of the value of the transactions. The total levies and commission are made up as follows:

Regulatory Levies (non-negotiable)Broker CommissionTotal Levies + Commission
GSESECGSDCMarket dev’tMaximumMaximum
0.02%0.009%0.009%0.002%0.105%0.145%


Our quoted broker commission is 0.105%, although we may give discounts depending on the size of the transaction. Therefore as regulatory levies amount to 0.04% of the value of the transaction, the total levies and commissions we charge is 0.145%.

Nonresident foreigners may only purchase Government of Ghana Bonds with 3yr or more maturity.

Exchange Controls
There are no exchange controls currently and there is full and free foreign exchange remittability of:
a) The original capital or principal amounts
b) Any capital gains
c) Dividends or interest payments
d) Related earnings and refunds
Kindly find attached our individual Account Opening Form (AoF) and GSD Securities Account Registration Form (GSD 1a). Also attached is a guide to completing the necessary forms to open brokerage and depository accounts with African Alliance Securities Ghana Ltd.

Let me know if you require further information/clarification.
Regards
Salimy Bedwei-Majdoub

On behalf of

African Alliance Securities Ghana
+233 30 2679761-2/2679723 (tel) |+233 30 2679698 (fax) |+233 244640652 (mobile)
bedwei-majdoubs@africanalliance.com | www.africanalliance.com
PKoli
#26 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:34:50 AM
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young wrote:


Yep Pkoli your findings will be useful to other wazuarians.

Personally I cannot imagine how an investor will just trade or invest in one market, become a local champion and is fulfilled when there are bountless opportunities elseway.


It is more interesting , more exciting but strange.

Even African fund managers do not do that.




Thanks Mzee young, I was able to get a quick response from Ghana and I received all the necessary information (see my earlier post). I will be doing the necessary soon
the deal
#27 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:37:06 AM
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@Pkoli thanks for the info...i believe Ghana,Kenya,Uganda and Nigeria will provide great returns for investors in the next 10 years...
PKoli
#28 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:51:36 AM
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the deal wrote:
@Pkoli thanks for the info...i believe Ghana,Kenya,Uganda and Nigeria will provide great returns for investors in the next 10 years...


Welcome. I agree with you. I wish Angola was English speaking
mv_ufanisi
#29 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 11:00:54 AM
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PKoli wrote:
the deal wrote:
@Pkoli thanks for the info...i believe Ghana,Kenya,Uganda and Nigeria will provide great returns for investors in the next 10 years...


Welcome. I agree with you. I wish Angola was English speaking



I'm in Angola once the BVDA opens. Portuguese we will learn in the process.
mv_ufanisi
#30 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 11:10:40 AM
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young wrote:
@Chief VVS & Other Wazuarian,

When you want to invest overseas as a non resident retail investor, the most important factor to consider is the size ie capital base of the broking firm. First CAL bank (listed in GSE) is one of the smallest banks in Ghana. Ibrokers, their stock broking arm is one of the smallest (though efficient).

If you take a look at stockbroking firms in ghana (www.gse.com.gh) you will see bigger stock broking firms that are subsidiaries of big banks like Ecobank etc. Safety of your funds is very important.
I do no pray for bad thing to happen neither am I accusing Ibrokers. but the unfortunate incidence of small but efficient Kenya Discount brokers are still fresh in our memories. Imagine the fate of those that are non resident investors who invested through discount stockbrokers kenya.

Be aware too that Ibrokers online account is more of a nominee account, the shares they help you buy are kept in their name.

It is worth while to think outside the box (east Africa)

Best Regards

Young,
Nigeria,
West Africa


@young - thanks for the caution. It's definitely something worth thinking about. I did a little research Calbank market valuation is only 3.6billion kshs. It's been around since 1990 and only got a universal banking license in 2004. The Chairman of the Bank is also the Chairman of the GSE and it has quite a good board and diversified shareholding i.e it's not a family business.
I might consider switching to the bigger guys if they have just as good service and when I decide to put more money there. Much appreciated though.



mv_ufanisi
#31 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 11:14:45 AM
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Ric dees wrote:
@MV_ufanisi,

On a diff tandem altogether i can see and appreciate your excitement bout GSE and the frustration bout our NSE. I however do not trade in the GSE but do so actively in the FTSE,AIM NYSE and like you said at the click of the button.(It makes a hell of a difference) I also do online spread betting (betting on the movement of shares) much more rewarding.(our lunch times are spent in cafe's with our laptops just watching the markets for opportunities)

You have cracked me up when you said bout hiding behind the holy grail and truth be told though i have held some shares in the NSE for 6 year or so, i just could not be bothered to actively trade there,the inefficiency, lethargic tendencies,are a tad to low for my liking and IMO the margins are just too kidogo.

Meanwhile SKYPE is floating the shares sometimes in Q4,and why lie i am literally salivating (clasping my hands!!)i love this Swedish duo!!


Which broker do you use to trade at the FTSE and NYSE? I'm more cautious of actively trading in that sense. My principle is buy and hold. I just think that opportunities in the developed countries are not that exciting at the moment hence my focus on first trying to find bargains right here in Africa.
But tell me more ... I might be interested in checking this out.
young
#32 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 11:55:56 AM
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@Chief MV_ufanisi,


Happy that you took my advise in good faith.

FTSE

It is mandatory to have a UK or EU bank account to open account with UK stockbroker, so if I do not have one neither do I plan to have in future,
I trade in UK through a Singaporian brooker

www.dbsvonline.com

(A subsidiary of DBS Bank , one of the biggest banks in Singapore).

I use the same account to trade in Canada (same rules as UK) and Singapore. You can also trade in HNK on a single broking account.


NYSE


I trade with www.tdameritrade.com and www.us.etrade.com

Please find details and requirements on their websites as I opened my account 5 years ago.

Young
Nigeria
West Africa


The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
Ric dees
#33 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:05:27 PM
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@Mv_ufanisi

This are the two brokers i use:

1) www.stockbrokers.barclays.co.uk
2) TDWaterhouse.co.uk

Only other thing I would mention is when you start trading start by focusing on the big names, those that are listed on the FTSE rather than the small companies listed on AIM. The two groups have different returns and risk profiles, but you are better off with the less risky FTSE companies until you get a feel of what you are doing.

It's hugely rewarding i must say and quite addictive, all the best.





The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
young
#34 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:16:59 PM
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@Chief Pkoli,

Oops apologies for my error, from your feed back AA has a website, I did not see it.

On behalf of wazuarians I use this opportunity to thank you for your
feed back on AA stockbrokers Ghana and the details you posted.
You are always a good guy any time ready to share.
IMPORTANT ON GSE
----------------
If you wish to have E-dividend that is your dividend credited to youBank account in Ghana Cedis, it may worthwhile to open a non resident bank account any time you visit Accra
in the nearest future.

Amal Bank of Ghana have such facility and that is what I use. See the link below .

http://www.amalbank.com....cts/index.php?content=9

Nobody knows something can carry you to Accra, also your dividends will be servicing the account.

You can at the point of opening a GSD account indicate your Ghana bank details or do that through your broker at a later date after you might have opened the account.

It was worthwhile Pkoli to maintain your AA profile in Kenya, in Uganda etc. One of the reasons you had a prompt reply is that you identified yourself as AA client.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
PKoli
#35 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:40:08 PM
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young wrote:
@Chief Pkoli,

Oops apologies for my error, from your feed back AA has a website, I did not see it.

On behalf of wazuarians I use this opportunity to thank you for your
feed back on AA stockbrokers Ghana and the details you posted.
You are always a good guy any time ready to share.
IMPORTANT ON GSE
----------------
If you wish to have E-dividend that is your dividend credited to youBank account in Ghana Cedis, it may worthwhile to open a non resident bank account any time you visit Accra
in the nearest future.

Amal Bank of Ghana have such facility and that is what I use. See the link below .

http://www.amalbank.com....cts/index.php?content=9

Nobody knows something can carry you to Accra, also your dividends will be servicing the account.

You can at the point of opening a GSD account indicate your Ghana bank details or do that through your broker at a later date after you might have opened the account.

It was worthwhile Pkoli to maintain your AA profile in Kenya, in Uganda etc. One of the reasons you had a prompt reply is that you identified yourself as AA client.


Many thanks Mzee young for this info. I think this will really help since it takes a whole three weeks to clear an international cheque in Kenya. I have experienced it with Stanbic Ug and a check from US.

Is there a possibility of recapitalizing my shares with dividends? I would like to start small and build my capital..like the richest man in Babylon, I would like re-invest the fruits of my investments.

How about the Pan African bank, EcoBank? I am sure they have branches in Ghana. Do you have an idea whether they are interconnected from Lagos-Accra-Nairobi?

Best regards

young
#36 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:59:37 PM
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@Chief Pkoli,

No currency in west Africa is easily convertible.
If I hold Nigerian Naira, I cannot easily convert it to Ghana Cedis when am in Accra and Vice Versa. I must first convet naira to USD before going there. Even forex bureau will give you a very poor rate.
That is where East Africa is well ahead. If I hold KSH I can easily convert same to UGX and Tzx,
Ecobank only interconnect for now in USD, pound sterling and Euro currency. But there is hope . ECOWAS (west African Community) is well ahead of East Afica, planning for a single currency called ECO in 2014.

Your Non resident bank account is a checking account, so you can Issue a cheque covering your dividend to your broker to buy more shares or if your AA uses Amal bank, you can make EFT from your Bank your account to your broker account.

It is worthwhile to ask your broker which bank they use, because most Ghana banks open checking accounts for non resident foreigners. It is not only AMAL bank.
I use AMAL bank because my brokers Databank Group uses Amal as one of their settlement bank, the airm was to make things easier for me.

On a serious note Pkoli, I believe is small beginings that is starting small. I was a mere workman on salary and still a workman, I only woke up from slumber a few years back.

I started my Canada investmentin 2005 with CAD 600 and it is now worth CAD 5,800. My dividend in Kenya is in six digits.


The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
mv_ufanisi
#37 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:09:06 PM
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young wrote:
@Chief MV_ufanisi,


Happy that you took my advise in good faith.

FTSE

It is mandatory to have a UK or EU bank account to open account with UK stockbroker, so if I do not have one neither do I plan to have in future,
I trade in UK through a Singaporian brooker

www.dbsvonline.com

(A subsidiary of DBS Bank , one of the biggest banks in Singapore).

I use the same account to trade in Canada (same rules as UK) and Singapore. You can also trade in HNK on a single broking account.


NYSE


I trade with www.tdameritrade.com and www.us.etrade.com

Please find details and requirements on their websites as I opened my account 5 years ago.

Young
Nigeria
West Africa




@ young much thanks my brother.

It looks like the dream of one Africa will come true sooner rather than later! I will research these options.

stocksmaster
#38 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:13:14 PM
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@PKoli: Since I have an bank account with Ecobank Kenya, I was wondering the same concerning EcoBank and its Ghana Stockbroking entity (EDC Stockbrokers Ltd). There should be some benefit to be derived from purchasing shares using EDC Stockbrokers in Ghana since its is owned by Eco Bank(especially on bank transfers,dividends payments, cheque clearing etc)

Ecobank also has stockbrokerage services in Togo, Cote d'Ivore, Nigeria and Cape Verde.

I wrote to the EDC Stockbrokers in Ghana and was surprised that within six hours, i got a short confirmation of their receipt of my email and that they will reply to my inquiries in detail by the end of business today! This country (Ghana)is truly going places.

Will update you on the response once i get it.

Happy hunting.
PKoli
#39 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:15:21 PM
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@Mzee young

Thanks, I will talk to AAGS to inquire about the bank. I see alot of challenges in the currency fluctuations isses. It is better to have a dollar/Euro account for that matter. I will give it a short and should be in the business in a months time.
Horton
#40 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:35:58 PM
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I shall be in Accra kesho to sato. If anyone needs info, paperwork lemme know. hortoncapital@gmail.com
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