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NHIF RATES CHANGES
KADUSI
#1 Posted : Friday, August 06, 2010 3:08:56 PM
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We wish to advise all our esteemed employers and contributors that the newly gazetted NHIF contribution rates take effect as from 1st September 2010 to enable provision of Outpatient Care Services as from 1st October 2010.

The new contribution rates are as tabulated below:-


Gross Income (KES)
Monthly Contributions(KES)

1.Less than 5999 150

2.6000---7999 300


3.8000---11999 400

4.12000---14999 500

5.15000---19999 600

6.20000---24999 750

7.25000---29999 850

8.30000---49999 1000

9.50000---99999 1500

10.Over 100000 2000


Self Employed (Special)
500


Indigents (voluntary)
300


Didnt know the new constitution had this behind it


conos
#2 Posted : Friday, August 06, 2010 3:18:18 PM
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i dont think the rates are punitive,but what pisses me there are no medicines in hospitals.
let the government stock affordable drugs.
Remember in kenya we are not overtaxed.its only that we don get value from taxes we pay.
ukiona choo kwa ndoto usiingie, ni mtego!
Njung'e
#3 Posted : Friday, August 06, 2010 3:27:26 PM
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@kadusi,
What has this got to do with the new constitution?.
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
2012
#4 Posted : Friday, August 06, 2010 3:30:22 PM
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Njunge wrote:
@kadusi,
What has this got to do with the new constitution?.


I'm wondering the same.Think

BBI will solve it
:)
karqui
#5 Posted : Friday, August 06, 2010 4:19:50 PM
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conos wrote:
i dont think the rates are punitive,but what pisses me there are no medicines in hospitals.
let the government stock affordable drugs.
Remember in kenya we are not overtaxed.its only that we don get value from taxes we pay.


and corruption in the hospitals ends.no more patients buying jik and cotton wool for themselves[from the clinical officers kiosk next to the hospital]and i will be for the change.
brightstar
#6 Posted : Friday, August 06, 2010 5:37:57 PM
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Your miserable payslip will get even more sick coutersy of NHIF. The new ridiculous MANDATORY contributions are just plain insanity. Take a look at this link:

http://www.nhif.or.ke/he...t_from=&ucat=1&

Sad Sad Sad
Magigi
#7 Posted : Friday, August 06, 2010 5:46:24 PM
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The new contribution rates are as tabulated below:-

Gross Income (Kshs) Monthly Contributions(Kshs)
1 Less than 5,999 150
2 6,000 - 7,999 300
3 8,000 - 11,999 400
4 12,000 - 14,999 500
5 15,000 - 19,999 600
6 20,000 - 24,999 750
7 25,000 - 29,999 850
8 30,000 - 49,999 1,000
9 50,000 - 99,999 1,500
10 Over 100,000 2,000
Self Employed (Special) 500
Indigents (voluntary) 300
shalishali
#8 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:19:52 PM
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very punitive indeed! They should be reasonable.
UKITAFUTA UKABILA UTAKUFA BILA!
Mel
#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:49:16 PM
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Sad This should be commesurate to services offered. I certain this shall not be the case.
redi
#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:33:59 PM
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4 Reasons why I say No to the move to increase the rates and/ expand the range of services:
1.The institution is inefficient &lacks the transparency and capacity to administer the fund.recurrent expenditure at 42%of the collection.poor investiment ova the last 2 decades.They r yet to disclose the audit results.
2.There is poor political support.the social principle sucks.They should arrive at a standard rate then ask the government to pay the difference(tax fund it).kenyans with a private cover will be at a loss on what to do,the medicalinsurance cost wil go up yet u cnnt opt out-ua private cover.
3.They are assuming that fixing the financing issue ,is the majical bullet 4all problems rocking the health sector.
4.they are not telling the truth,they will only provide primary healthcare services.specialised care-NO!
Wendz
#11 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 2:33:09 PM
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Do we sometimes reject things just for the sake of it? What medical cover would you expect to get with the 'less than 5k' a year that we were contributing? We will complain that they will give only basic medical cover, at the rate at which we were going, they wouldnt even afford that 'basic' with the contributions we were making.
mozenrat
#12 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:43:10 PM
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@Wendz...

My issue with NHIF is that they've not committed to ANYTHING...They should have specified the exact manner of additional services they will be providing BEFORE asking for more money...

All I've heard are vague promises of better services.. The last time I had a patient in Hospital, my private medical cover paid 185,000 while NHIF only took care of 15000.

What I need is a commitment that the percentage will be higher (in figures please) than this the next time so that I can negotiate to pay lower premiums to my private medical cover provider or negotiate for a higher salary from my employer as he'll be paying less to the company medical cover provider.
bird_man
#13 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:43:41 PM
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@Wendz I think you are missing the point.Suppose you are paying 2k/month to AAR.....how does paying another 2k/month(compulsory) to NHIF help you or your family?
Why make it compulsory especially at such high monthly rates yet your money will be used for all the wrong reasons.Ask any "rich" Kenyan today.....especially those dealing in Computers & Software...they all have multimillion shilling contracts with NHIF on things we don't even need.Is that how you want your 2k/month to be used?
Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
StatMeister
#14 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:53:55 PM
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Wendz wrote:
Do we sometimes reject things just for the sake of it? What medical cover would you expect to get with the 'less than 5k' a year that we were contributing? We will complain that they will give only basic medical cover, at the rate at which we were going, they wouldnt even afford that 'basic' with the contributions we were making.


@wendz, the people who will pay more are already covered by employers

+ the reason NHIF struggles is ghost patients
A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work
milken
#15 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:34:09 PM
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Gentlemen I think you are missing the point here. Other than NHIF saying that they will now cover outpatient, what benefits will be entitled to an a contributor?
Do you know that for 2k a month you can get an inpatient cover with a 2m limit?
What saferguards will be put in to place to ensure that NHIF can show value for money and eliminate fraud?
Until this is sorted, am with Atwoli in opposing this new levy.
Itari muting'oe ihuragwo ngi ni Ngai
Kwanini
#16 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:34:19 PM
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COTU moved to court last week on August 5, 2010 to oppose the rates.
They should have considered:
· Defining the packages which informing the costings
· Setting/improving model health centres per "village"
· Making NHIF compete with other medical schemes
· Shouldnt NHIF also undertake out patient services?
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"For i am the master and the captain of my fate"
Wendz
#17 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:58:57 PM
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I got a leaflet with the new services that they are offering and i was pretty impressed. I really cant trace it but when i do, i will post.

Unfortunately, those paying over 1,500 may be covered by employers. however, check out the reason why NHIF was formed. Unfortunately, its the well payed citizens that maintain it. you do not expect the corporation to afford to pay for those contributing such services just from their contribution. That would mean that lowly paid will get lower quality services in line with their contribution. a state corporation will not do that.

@mozerat... can you imagine they paid for you 15k for your hospital bill.... imagine how much you had contributed that year? only 3,600 for a whole year. Where do you think they got the other amount to cover the rest of the money from? its from Mr. Birdman who didnt go to hospital that year..
Wendz
#18 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 5:18:35 PM
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In the meantime, this is the tender document sent out to medical services providers by NHIF for provision of these services.

http://www.nhif.or.ke/he....NHIF-010-2010-2011.pdf

Kumbe wengine wetu wanapiga makelele na hata hawajasoma. Ni kama kunywa dawa bila kusoma maagizo.
bird_man
#19 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 5:22:06 PM
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That social health contribution thing does not go down well with me.I cannot trust NHIF & there is no way to hold them accountable.How many times do you hear the name NHIF in scandals?
Truth is.....that 2k/month will pay for unnecessary tenders and the money will eventually wind up in a few rich people's pockets.It does not matter what promises they give or how many leaflets they print.
Social equity is not about punishing the middle & upper class and dragging them down to the bottom of the pyramid.....its about giving the lower class some affirmative action that pushes them into middle class.When you levy a mandatory 2k/month on someone who is already getting a 2Milli cover from AAR or Resolution....aren't you punishing them in the name of helping the lower class?Wendz?
Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
bkismat
#20 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 5:50:49 PM
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mpende msipende!!mtadoo?
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