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UCHUMI
The Merchant
#1 Posted : Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:37:28 AM
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Hello my fellow investors. Any ideas when Uchumi will be back? Some of us are way to anxious...
Surealligator
#2 Posted : Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:04:53 AM
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Uchumi will be subjected to the same measures as an IPO for it to return to the bourse. That means, it must make a profit consistenctly for 3 yrs (Someone correct me if am wrong on the 3 yrs). So far, they have done slightly over two yrs. So, expect them back after they announce their end yr financial results.

By the way, Uchumi is out of liquidation but am not sure they cleared their loans from KCB and PTA banks.

Give Uchumi another two yrs before they pay a dividend.

A sinking company has to re-capitalize to initial capital if things turn north before paying out a dividend.

I usually see Uchumi shares with nostalgia cauze a picked over 40,000 rights shares at 10 bob and within two weeks sold at 15 bob. I was in the meeting at Mayfair where Murigu was addressing Uchumi suppliers convincing them to take up the rights they had been offered using the credit owed to them by Uchumi.

"Yuo take up the rights which you don't pay for, sell within weeks, and bolt. You fail to pick the rights, Uchumi goes under, you go home empti handed".

As an old dog at the bourse, I took the opportunity and made a killing, then flew to Shocking Asia.
Go overdrive in purchasing the goods when there's blood on the streets, expecially if the blood is your own
VituVingiSana
#3 Posted : Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:33:57 AM
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why wait for Uchumi to show profits for 3 years? Let people make their own decisions...

These are not new shares but the old ones...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
The Merchant
#4 Posted : Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:23:59 AM
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@surealligator
Thanks for the insightful post. So we wait about 3 yrs then longer for any dividends. Hmm...
Is there another company that has bounced back the way Uchumi has in this economy? That says alot about their fundamentals being very solid don't you think so sir?
yekeyeke
#5 Posted : Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:34:22 AM
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Guys

I think the first thing we should do as shareholders is:-
1) Thanks God for his mercy, when he ruled that Uchumi would not collapse.
2)Thank the Kibaki Government for stopping the liquidation that was tailor made to offer the company for sale to South Africans for a song.
3)Thank Jonathan Ciano, his management team and the entire staff of uchumi for their hard work in bringing uchumi to where it is today from where it was in 2006.
4) Thank all the suppliers for continuing to supply to the shop.
5)Many thanks to all the die-hard uchumi customers who continue to shop and thus bring the shop up to where we are now.

If we have waited for 4 good years from 1 June 2006 to today or end of June 2010, we can wait for the team to work out listing agreements.

Congratulations to the team and lets hold and hope this will be sooner rather than later.
The Merchant
#6 Posted : Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:03:39 AM
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Applause Applause @yekeyeke
Very well put I must say. Okay, I now have more strength to wait a while more to redeem my very many shares in Uchumi. Thanks.Applause Applause
Surealligator
#7 Posted : Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:02:23 AM
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The Merchant wrote:
@surealligator
Thanks for the insightful post. So we wait about 3 yrs then longer for any dividends. Hmm...
Is there another company that has bounced back the way Uchumi has in this economy? That says alot about their fundamentals being very solid don't you think so sir?


@Mashant

Uchumi has already reported profits for the last two or more yrs already. They have less than one yr to go.

On returning to the market, don't rush to sell the shares simply cauze U've held them for long. Wait till they discover their right price then consider selling based on fundamentals.

African GreatLakes, OTC, Lonrhow (Spell), etc were delisted and never came back.

Am not aware of any company which made it back to the NSE after being placed undr liquidation.

It still pains me today that Uchumi shareholders did nto read the Pricewaterhouse report in the Uchumi Financial Report prior to its closedown. The most important sentence in a Financial Report is where the Auditors state whether the company is a going concern or not. In the Uchumi case, they had stated that Uchumi was not a going concern. That is when everyone should have bailed out of the sinking ship and lynch one character called SeeKay.
Go overdrive in purchasing the goods when there's blood on the streets, expecially if the blood is your own
Kaffir
#8 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 10:07:38 AM
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Well, they have reported their audited results for the final 3rd year (see today's standard, page 11). They have reported a profit per share of 4.81kshs! Plus, they also appear to have moved into positive reserves (638 million kshs worth).
I dont see any further hindrances to them relisting, now. They should do this by the end of the year. A good price appreciation should be in order
sparkly
#9 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 10:30:38 AM
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4.81 you're kidding me. Clearly this was a good company run by idiots. The dj should be executed.
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youcan'tstopusnow
#10 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 10:49:17 AM
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What's the highest profits Uchumi ever posted before its collapse?
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
StatMeister
#11 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:56:18 AM
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I am made to understand Uchumi was a 1st (and only) to be turned around in Kenya (without being sold off), by analogy the only listed to turn around.

Jonathan should get a cold crate on me
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stocksmaster
#12 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:29:11 PM
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At an EPS of 4.81, and growing at over 100% in profits, the results for 30th June 2011 may just hit Ksh 9-10 earnings per share!

If on relisting, the stock is to trade at a P/E of 5, this translates at a Price of about Ksh 24!!

Have they factored the dilutional effect of converting debt to equity that was part of the restructuring?

Happy hunting
sparkly
#13 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:37:55 PM
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stocksmaster wrote:
Have they factored the dilutional effect of converting debt to equity that was part of the restructuring?

Happy hunting

thats the big question.
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mwanahisa
#14 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:59:28 PM
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Sparkly & Stockmaster, No - Uchumi has NOT factored the conversion. Why, I simply can't tell, unless the new shares were preference perhaps? Also, note that of the EPS of 4.81, the tax credit contributes Kshs 2.40 while investment income contributes Kshs 0.72 leaving a normalised EPS of Kshs 1.68. I would still consider that a GREAT performance!!
Kaffir
#15 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 1:17:31 PM
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The new shares raised total number to 262.5 million, from 180 million. Not a significantly large increase. If these new were not factored in the results, then including them would reduce the EPS to 3.3shs - still a very good EPS. Given the level of growth it has exhibited in the past 3 years, im sure most investors would be willing to buy it at a PE higher than SM's conservative value of 5.

I also see a new rights issue within a year of relisting. Will help increase available shares (current number are too few to attract enough interest in the market!), and get the additional money it needs to finalize the debts, plus fight off the Tusky's and co.. The market will respond more favorably to its rights when it is listed.

I will hold onto my shares for a while after listing, to see how it progresses.
VituVingiSana
#16 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 1:28:54 PM
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Why does the CMA dither on re-listing them?

Many firms make losses... but it is time to re-list!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
StatMeister
#17 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 1:37:19 PM
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stocksmaster wrote:
At an EPS of 4.81, and growing at over 100% in profits, the results for 30th June 2011 may just hit Ksh 9-10 earnings per share!

If on relisting, the stock is to trade at a P/E of 5, this translates at a Price of about Ksh 24!!

Have they factored the dilutional effect of converting debt to equity that was part of the restructuring?

Happy hunting


assume a 1:1 conversion, meaning a price of 12

@stock, why does Uchumi have to trade at P/E of 5 when other commercials do 10-15?
A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work
the deal
#18 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 1:45:14 PM
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HAHAHAHA I SEE MANY PEOPLE WHERE BURNT BUY UCHUMI HERE...
StatMeister
#19 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 1:52:38 PM
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the deal wrote:
HAHAHAHA I SEE MANY PEOPLE WHERE BURNT BUY UCHUMI HERE...


you're so right
A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work
StatMeister
#20 Posted : Thursday, August 12, 2010 1:56:35 PM
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BTW, i don't lose any sleep about this, I wrote it off a long time ago. If it comes back, I'll think of it as a bonus and hold it for another 3 years
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