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KCB Rights Issue Subscription Rate
Ericsson
#1 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 7:09:56 PM
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What is the subscription rate of the KCB rights issue ?
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#2 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 7:12:55 PM
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Have they announcd the rate ?
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#3 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 7:28:44 PM
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They will be announcing tomorrow. Unofficially, I have heard that they had a figure of about Kshs 12 billion by mid last week. However, processing was incomplete, so it it should be higher than that!
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#4 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 7:56:40 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
They will be announcing tomorrow. Unofficially, I have heard that they had a figure of about Kshs 12 billion by mid last week. However, processing was incomplete, so it it should be higher than that!

If you're wrong i'm going to hunt you down...

I said i would buy KCB tomorow when i heard the first rumour about the rights take up and 12 billion is a superb take up so i'm going to buy...
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#5 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 8:03:50 PM
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guru267 wrote:
If you're wrong i'm going to hunt you down...

smile Now, that's funny.


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#6 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 10:39:57 PM
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What is KCB subscription rate. ? One thing is 4 sure . It wasnt oversubscribed .so itsnt more than 100% .Secondly good enough so its above 70% . So the subscription rate is between 70% - 90% . Lets see tomorrow if my logic works.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:47:50 AM
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Even if the subscription rate is 50% it should be sufficient to raise tier 2 capital ratios, but they’ll be pressured to raise core capital again by about 2013. It should be more interesting to see how the bank will the bank function if the issue is undersubscribed. Well they continue to invest in low risk assets like govt securities which will grow deposits faster. As KRA’s tax collector, what happens when they collect tax receipts in July will that push deposits higher. You just have to look at the growth in the loan book and contingent liabilities in H1 up 10 billion each and a 28 billion rise in deposits. Isn’t this what is straining the capital base (as well as the poor asset returns). The problem at this point are the risk weighted assets (with 100% weighting) especially the contingent liabilities. Letters of credit, guarantees and acceptances went up from 33 billion to 43 billion in H1 and while other contingent liabilities are up 12 billion to 31 billion. Why are letters of credit (etc) growing so fast considering they carry the same credit risk as ordinary loans and why aren’t they generating high enough fees? Is KCB accommodating too many people who are in the import/export businesses? KCB management might tell us that gross NPLs grew marginally while Net NPLs declined in H1 but is the management taking unnecessary risk? Raising portfolio risk without assessing the risk return decision and thus hindering their ability to comply with the regulatory requirements? One needs to start scrutinizing those off balance sheet items.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:52:35 AM
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looks like they managed a 82.56 subscription rate,receiving 12.45 billion for the issue
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:57:47 AM
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Better than i expected. Clearly there are many moneyed suckers outthere
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:04:19 PM
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12.45B is the final result. Reuters

COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:06:56 PM
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Hi, I guess you can call me one of the suckers. I applied for quite a heap of additional shares and with this kind of uptake I am eyeing no less than Kshs 23 by February next year. I will be happy with approximately 35% return on my capital for slightly over 6 months. I cannot honestly see how KCB will continue trading at a forward PE of 8-9 when the likes of Barclays are trading at one of 15.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:09:21 PM
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Obiero. Send us the link
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:10:03 PM
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It seems my logic worked . Lol . Thats nt a bad rate. @ vvs . Ar u still waiting for a 50 - 60 % subscription rate ? Too much pessimism is harmful to your portfolio. Ehehe
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:11:08 PM
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Mwanahisa-good point on comparison with BBK. Lakini those volumes are huge...
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:17:38 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
Hi, I guess you can call me one of the suckers. I applied for quite a heap of additional shares and with this kind of uptake I am eyeing no less than Kshs 23 by February next year. I will be happy with approximately 35% return on my capital for slightly over 6 months. I cannot honestly see how KCB will continue trading at a forward PE of 8-9 when the likes of Barclays are trading at one of 15.


I quite agree with you. KCB will easily return to trade in the mid to upper 20s.
mwanahisa
#16 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:20:17 PM
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@YekeYeke, It's indeed official. This has been posted to NSE subscribers. Total Value of Rights under entitlement + Kshs 10.83 B, while Total Value of applications for additional shares was Kshs 1.6 Billion.

Wa_Ithaka, the volumes may look huge but in the case of KCB, you can be sure quite a lot of the uptake must have come from Institutions. Retailers were not particularly keen on the issue. I therefore do NOT expect too much selling in the initial phase at a price approaching the rights price. I would demand a premium and I am willing to wait. Remember Co-op at 9.50!
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:27:03 PM
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For the shares to appreciate, demand for them must be created. My take is that any investor who wanted to position himself is already in there except for those who might have kept off due to referendum fears. Long haul investors keep on holding.
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:41:45 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
@YekeYeke, It's indeed official. This has been posted to NSE subscribers. Total Value of Rights under entitlement + Kshs 10.83 B, while Total Value of applications for additional shares was Kshs 1.6 Billion.

Wa_Ithaka, the volumes may look huge but in the case of KCB, you can be sure quite a lot of the uptake must have come from Institutions. Retailers were not particularly keen on the issue. I therefore do NOT expect too much selling in the initial phase at a price approaching the rights price. I would demand a premium and I am willing to wait. Remember Co-op at 9.50!


Moreover the government did not take its stake, which was significant. I do not expect alot of sellers as too. KCB is one of the few securities that have declined when the market has been bullish. Most people are waiting for the shares on 19th
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:46:18 PM
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Share price is now down to 18.10 bob...when are they uploading the new shares...i wanna get my cheaque book ready...
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:55:22 PM
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The share pricd is goin down b'coz there's a correction on the price . Period.
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