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Ruto must go with the old constitution
sparkly
#41 Posted : Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:29:35 PM
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The only place people searched themselves before voting for the CONSTITUTION was in Eastern. 99% of a constituency voting YES and 1% spoilt (i suspect they ticked yes and crossed no) is just wrong.
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Gathotho
#42 Posted : Sunday, August 08, 2010 3:34:54 AM
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I totally agree with this topic. And it is a message we all need to keep on drumming to Ruto and the other naysayers during the referendum debate. First, they lost both their argument and lost the referendum. And any insinuation of the need for negotiations, whether coming from Ruto of Canon Karanja should be dismissed out of hand.
With Ruto, his fables about abstentions counting as opposition is arrant nonsense. In elections, only those who vote count. Those who stay at home as as good as not having a vote. Second, their demand for negotiations should be laughed out of town. You don't lose a contest and ask to negotiate with the winner. Even the church people should know that when the devil lost with God, God could neither contemplate or give audience to them. They should now forever hold their peace.
And this message must be drummed into the head of the losers until they go deaf.

In the final analysis, Kenyans passed the constitution in toto, so any suggestions for amendments are overtaken by events.
sparkly
#43 Posted : Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:00:02 PM
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@gatotho if the negotiations are a forum for political grandstanding then zikae. But if they will improve the constn for all kenyans they must be welcomed. After all +2m voted against it. Laws must be dynamic, what is great for you may not be so for your children and grandchildren.
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MaichBlack
#44 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 10:00:14 AM
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sparkly wrote:
After all +2m voted against it.

Really? I can assure you than more than 1M of them just voted NO because "the pastor/priest said so". I heard very many Christians say they can't "argue with the church". If the church didn't get involved or if some of these Christians decided to vote with their conscience [after reading the 'proposed' constitution], NO would have garnered less than a million votes!!!

One question - When what 2M people is in direct conflict with what 6M people want, what do you suggest should be done? Your answer is as good as mine!
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#45 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 3:53:16 PM
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Gathotho wrote:
I totally agree with this topic. And it is a message we all need to keep on drumming to Ruto and the other naysayers during the referendum debate. First, they lost both their argument and lost the referendum. And any insinuation of the need for negotiations, whether coming from Ruto of Canon Karanja should be dismissed out of hand.
With Ruto, his fables about abstentions counting as opposition is arrant nonsense. In elections, only those who vote count. Those who stay at home as as good as not having a vote. Second, their demand for negotiations should be laughed out of town. You don't lose a contest and ask to negotiate with the winner. Even the church people should know that when the devil lost with God, God could neither contemplate or give audience to them. They should now forever hold their peace.
And this message must be drummed into the head of the losers until they go deaf.

In the final analysis, Kenyans passed the constitution in toto, so any suggestions for amendments are overtaken by events.


Most uncompromising!
I guess that is the kind of mentality that forebears rebels.

I wise leader knows better than adopt that kind of high handedness so unnecessarily.
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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