good point. but isnt it funny how when some of our opinions are challenged on their logic (i am not religious) we look for the safest exit (e.g. brand opposing views religious dogma)?

i challenged @JWK positions based on the logic of his conclusions - not his religion.

hypothesis - very few people critically think about what they read or hear. we cant factually explain what we stand for and simply echo what we have heard others say.

by the way, anti-religious propaganda is as big a problem as religious dogma.

The church was not following the proper rules of engagement. Their involvement in politics should be in guidance..............
Their stand on the constitution was over and above their call of duty. fund raising, actively campaigning and using political tools (LIES) was wrong. ..........
This brings them to the impasse we now experience.
The best way forward is one
1) Stop the hard-line stance. Voting for the constitution was not disobeying God (stop acting like the Pharisees) ..... Voting yes is not for fornicators only .........
2) Join the rest of the country in the implementation of the new constitution. Show the maturity that Kenyans expect from them. > 5 million Kenyans have made a choice deal with it! .......
3) Advocate for the changes that were required from within ..........
and let us see if you can gather 75% of the vote needed to implement a change with the ridiculous changes you were advocating for!

i wish someone would outline some of the lies that were being peddled by the clergy.

Another guy in a fix is Kiema Kilonzo,his constituents defied him and voted yes.A big part could have voted so to protest the alleged swindling of funds donated by Moi to a school in mutito.The mpig true to their nature pocketed 90% of it!

Long before I peacefully voted NO, I knew we were in for a thrashing.
That said, I'll hold back a mite before joining 70% of Kenyans in popping the bubbly.

The first litmus test will be the MPigs much hyped salary hike; if that goes through, then I'll know beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are truly screwed.

That has nothing to do with the new constitution. Parliament is not bound by it yet. Your so called mpigs have sit and enact laws for it's implementation first.