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Ruto must go with the old constitution
2012
#11 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:17:38 AM
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Ruto is a politician. I think he was testing the water to gauge his influence. I even doubt if he voted 'NO'.
Anyway I quote Ruto's words to Central Province after the 2005 referendum and ask him to use now take and preach his own advice; "North Rift, do not isolate yourselves from the rest of the nation".

BBI will solve it
:)
Seeders
#12 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:35:07 AM
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my prediction - unless ocampo can develop a serious case (had a recent one thrown out) and also win over the AU, ruto will be the most sought after politician in the 2012 elections.

reason - the 4M yes votes has at least 6 'presidents' to thank. the 2M no vote has a max of 2 'presidents'.
McReggae
#13 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:58:37 AM
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Seeders,
Why do make this look like it was a popularity contest???
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
kadonye
#14 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:59:46 AM
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Ruto must be smiling wherever he is

As the political leader of the NO side he will claim that the 33% RED vote was by his supporters thus becoming a big-time kingmaker in 2012

Over to u ocampo
What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
Ngalaka
#15 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:03:45 PM
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Forget Ruto forget Moi and the whole lot and caboodle.

Those in NO and those in Yes were only diveded by one thing:
If to do the amendedments pre or post referundum.
No lesser a person than Kibaki himself said this.
The YES have their way - but they need to work together to effect the necessary amendments.
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
kadonye
#16 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:05:46 PM
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Those vilifying the Reds are participating in USHENZI.Did we vote in a new constitution so that we can opress others?

It's time for UNGWANA.We move forward as one nation making necessary amendments while knowing too well that we can't make 100% acceptable document.Unless we are a dictatorship
What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
Blackout
#17 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:13:36 PM
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I commend the NO team for their believe in themselves...even when it seemed soo obvious that yes gonna win..they still believed in No...though I think they saw it coming....

Tyme to work on amendments .....
theman192000
#18 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:15:51 PM
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I'm siding with Kadonye on this one.

My hope is that once this new constitution is in place, we will have less government in the life of the Kenyan citizen (ningeomba serekali...). If this is achieved, then whether Ruto can deliver 33% of the votes will not be as significant as before since resource allocation will be guaranteed and segments of the population will not be marginalized with the "when funds are available" refrain that was common during the Moi presidency.

In the end, wealth creation is normally the domain of private enterprise and not government.
Seeders
#19 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:22:23 PM
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hate to burst your bliss bubble buddy but:

politics 101 (new or old constitution)

politician + need to marshal voters = popularity contest

unless of course, the politician(s) you are referring to descended from the clouds riding on a white unicorn amidst thunderous shouts of hallelujah.

McReggae wrote:
Seeders,
Why do make this look like it was a popularity contest???



2012
#20 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:24:06 PM
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kadonye wrote:
Those vilifying the Reds are participating in USHENZI.


Please stop the insults. When democracy wins everybody wins. I agree with you though that 33% is a significant figure and cannot be ignored and I believe that Kenyans are now more than ever before ready to deal with issues more soberly. Today I'm proud to be Kenyan.

BBI will solve it
:)
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