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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/14/2009 Posts: 2,057
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i wonder what the clergy will tell their congregation this coming sunday now that YES has clearly taken the day. If you are an eagle don't hang around with chickens; chickens don't fly....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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vinii wrote:i wonder what the clergy will tell their congregation this coming sunday now that YES has clearly taken the day. Watched some brief at 5am and some were saying that there are their observers who were denied access in Embakasi. I hope they wont drag in 'rigged' into the house.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/8/2008 Posts: 1,575
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The rigging mummurs started last night forcing the IIEC chair to give a very stern media briefing to the agents but they will be fine I care!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/14/2009 Posts: 2,057
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For Shiro of JIAM, its double jeopardy - 1. Losing Starehe seat and 2. Losing the referendum. If you are an eagle don't hang around with chickens; chickens don't fly....
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/30/2010 Posts: 241
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vinii wrote:For Shiro of JIAM, its double jeopardy - 1. Losing Starehe seat and 2. Losing the referendum.
 by the look of things she might not s**t again in parliament loos ukiona choo kwa ndoto usiingie, ni mtego!
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/18/2009 Posts: 303
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@Wendz and Vinii.....We will preach the gospel of love,We will not condemn anyone First its not a suprise to any establised Clergy that for every 6 in the congrats 2 are sheep (will obey) and 4 are goats (will never obey but will never miss a sermon).Every sunday we tell them(kenyans)..be prayerfully,love your neighbours, stop sinning,stop being drunkards,stop beating your wives and husband but at the end of the day ITS A PERSONAL CHOOSE. On sunday we will preach the gospel. NB I m proud of the Kenyan Church she stood united and spoke in one voice.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/18/2009 Posts: 303
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Or maybe what were you expeting this sunday...Pastors to hide below the pulpit saying sorry,sorry or close the churches and resign or...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/14/2009 Posts: 2,057
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Pastor M wrote:@Wendz and Vinii.....We will preach the gospel of love,We will not condemn anyone First its not a suprise to any establised Clergy that for every 6 in the congrats 2 are sheep (will obey) and 4 are goats (will never obey but will never miss a sermon).Every sunday we tell them(kenyans)..be prayerfully,love your neighbours, stop sinning,stop being drunkards,stop beating your wives and husband but at the end of the day ITS A PERSONAL CHOOSE.
On sunday we will preach the gospel.
NB I m proud of the Kenyan Church she stood united and spoke in one voice.
Amen Pastor, 67% of Kenyan goats have made a decision that will unfortunately bind the 33% sheep. If you are an eagle don't hang around with chickens; chickens don't fly....
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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Pastor M, kwani umaishi kenya gani? Ati united and spoke with one voice? haha! everyone knows that statement was false. the church has never been united GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/8/2009 Posts: 975 Location: Nairobi
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vinii wrote:i wonder what the clergy will tell their congregation this coming sunday now that YES has clearly taken the day. The church saw it coming as surely as the day follows night! In fact the ACK church was requesting for a forum to be formed after the referendum to deal with some of their issues. Yes they knew they were loosing. At this point in time, we just need to move on. The country still has many challenges. To all the pastors join us in building a new kenya. You will know that you have arrived when money and time are not mutually exclusive "events" in you life!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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Pastor M wrote:@Wendz and Vinii.....We will preach the gospel of love,We will not condemn anyone First its not a suprise to any establised Clergy that for every 6 in the congrats 2 are sheep (will obey) and 4 are goats (will never obey but will never miss a sermon).Every sunday we tell them(kenyans)..be prayerfully,love your neighbours, stop sinning,stop being drunkards,stop beating your wives and husband but at the end of the day ITS A PERSONAL CHOOSE.
On sunday we will preach the gospel.
NB I m proud of the Kenyan Church she stood united and spoke in one voice.
@Pastor M If you look at my comments, i do not doubt that the church has its place in the society and the world at large. I do appreciate it because that is where i get my spiritual nourishment. All am asking is for the church not to get into more mess trying to justify why the goats voted the way they did by claiming rigging when we know the process was as transparent as it would have been. That is all. However, i will be in church on sunday, listen to the sermons and live my life according to the teachings of the Holy book. That does put the responsibility of me to think independently but in line with the teachings.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Now they know that they don't know....very sad. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/7/2007 Posts: 263 Location: humu humu
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the clergy played a very important role by standing their ground based on issues, otherwise this referendum would have become us (7 provinces) vs them (rift valley/kalenjin) just like 2005 was anti central/kiuks
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/19/2008 Posts: 1,267
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It would be wrong to put all the clergy in one side of the divide...Though I had already taken my stand ab initio ....Our Bishop told us to vote whichever way we thought was beneficial to us.....and I said it here on Monday....He is a great Man of God To those who took a different position ...it was their democractic right ..but it was somehow saddening to see some accept outright lies from politicians eg gayism and try to impose them to their followers..for those with injured egos ... I wish them a quick recovery ...... To My Bishop .....you are a Great Man Of God....God bless you.... Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Life goes on, people were shown a road sign but they chose to ignore, aren't the clergy the same people who tell you to stop fornicating but you still do? they can shout/scream but you make the decision yourself. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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wont most of you be pew warming this sunday or the next? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 7,081 Location: Kenya
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...for me shetani ameshindwa. God has helped his people see the light. What do you think?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/14/2009 Posts: 2,057
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masukuma wrote:Life goes on, people were shown a road sign but they chose to ignore, aren't the clergy the same people who tell you to stop fornicating but you still do? they can shout/scream but you make the decision yourself. Thats rather hash @ Masukuma, why are drawing an analogy between the 67% of Kenyans who voted YES and fornicators?? These good Kenyans did not ignore the road sign, they just chose to use a speed train instead! Some good news to the clergy; Charles Njonjo (and others who had shared his thinking) will now resume tithing ( remember he stopped because he didn't want the tithe money to be chanelled to the NO campaign) If you are an eagle don't hang around with chickens; chickens don't fly....
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/18/2009 Posts: 303
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@Magigi (politely) It depends who is shetani (to you) and who is god to you...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/14/2009 Posts: 2,057
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Magigi wrote:...for me shetani ameshindwa. God has helped his people see the light. What do you think?  You are spot on @Njunge - God has spoken to Kenyans and they have listened. It is our prayer that his people will continue listening to Him during the implementation stage which will no doubt be challenging. If you are an eagle don't hang around with chickens; chickens don't fly....
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