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Mumias Sugar and SASINI TEA AND COFFEE LTD. Your perfect growth stocks.
youcan'tstopusnow
#41 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:15:05 PM
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shauriyako, this 2nd half of the financial year Vs the last 2nd half...
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shauriyako
#42 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:22:48 PM
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@youcan't...
YES. They only need to match this 2H to last years 2H to post a huge growth year end June 30th.
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youcan'tstopusnow
#43 Posted : Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:32:35 AM
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Mumias inapaa
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ProverB
#44 Posted : Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:34:32 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Mumias inapaa


consider four weeks ago

MSCStart Price End Price Growth Vol
...........13.00 12.95 -0.38% 15,731,300

consider 3 months ago

MSCStart Price End Price Growth Vol
...........12.90 12.95 0.39% 70,761,900

consider 6 months ago

MSCStart Price End Price Growth Vol
...........8.90 12.95 45.51% 159,491,800

..slowed down don't you think?

likely calm before storm..waiting full year results release
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#45 Posted : Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:16:58 PM
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Its officially a rally! There's something i dont get. Everyone keeps blaming the referendum for low market volumes, but look whats going on now! so many counters on the up and pretty decent volumes.
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Gatheuzi
#46 Posted : Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:17:40 PM
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shauriyako wrote:
I do not think my math is so poor. Is it not true that if Mumias made 500% groth in the 1H just duplicating their 2H last - meaning no growth - should give them 250%. Assumption their 1H figures are similar to their 2H figures.
Can someone then enlighten me how you can make 500% growth in 1H then end up 30% or whatever %age figure Pple are projecting for the year without posting close to a 400% decline in profits for the 2H. Honestly guys I do not see anything below 150% growth for the year on this counter.


The main growth in Mumias PAT for last year occured in 2nd half. i.e. they generated 1.6bn in full year; 90% of which was attributable to 2nd half (1.4bn).

This year we see a PAT of 1bn in first half. I would not expect this to be 10% of the results for full year like last year. If we optimistically project the second half to yield 100% of first half, this will bring PAT of another 1bn bringing the total PAT for the year to 2Bn.

Now compare 2bn this year to 1.6bn last year. This is a 29% growth compared to last year.

To achieve a 150% growth, the 2nd half will have to contribute 3bn (3 times more than first half). Well, Iam not a pessimist but this is very very unlikely!!!

All the same I could be wrong.
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cnn
#47 Posted : Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:24:47 PM
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This has been argued here before.Expecting Mumias to grow by more than 30% at full year is a mirage.Further if you look back at first half results and remove the biological gains component,profit from operations was nothing to write home about.They could prove me wrong...
shauriyako
#48 Posted : Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:03:47 PM
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@ Gatheuzi
Nimejisomea, nimejiamulia na nimejichagulia - thanks to you. I am the wiser now.
I got the books but never looked at how the the 2H of the FY contributed to the final 1.6B. Looked at the cake and forgot the ingredients.

@cnn
thanks too.

I will now relook at where to place my few shillings. I have tried to stay 40% liquid so as to take advantage of the anticipated fluctuations in the market.
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guru267
#49 Posted : Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:37:21 PM
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I'm starting to get cavities... TOO MUCH SUGAR!!!
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youcan'tstopusnow
#50 Posted : Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:08:10 PM
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Any dentist in the house?
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PKoli
#51 Posted : Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:17:00 PM
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Guys will make money on this sweet stock.I still insist that the future of Mumias is in the Tana region not western.Even if they got Nzoia, the challenges are immense. They have to get a huge tract of land to be under the nucleus.
guru267
#52 Posted : Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:27:16 PM
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PKoli wrote:
Guys will make money on this sweet stock.I still insist that the future of Mumias is in the Tana region not western.Even if they got Nzoia, the challenges are immense. They have to get a huge tract of land to be under the nucleus.

@pkoli these guys are going to diverse their revenues to increase co generation, water bottling and ethanol production... Plus they had HUGE positive cashflows which makes me smell a higher dividend
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PKoli
#53 Posted : Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:50:09 PM
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@guru,
So far revenues from cogen are not very exciting due to the low tariffs they got from kplc.Ethanol, I will have to wait and see.water, I am not sure if they will make headway. When the annual accounts are out, please look at the contribution of cogen to their revenue. If it is over 25%, that is a good contribution, else, wait for the Tana. Also look at the load factor of the cogen plant to appreciate how well the plant has been operating.
qw25041985
#54 Posted : Friday, July 30, 2010 1:29:54 AM
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Did i hear somebody complainin of toothache ? Yes !? Dentist here @guru open your mouth and say aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah !!!!
Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
VituVingiSana
#55 Posted : Friday, July 30, 2010 1:54:06 AM
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PKoli wrote:
@guru,
So far revenues from cogen are not very exciting due to the low tariffs they got from kplc.
Ati, LOW tarrifs!?!?! I think Mumias get almost 2x what KenGen gets for hydropower [Please recheck my numbers]

If Mumias can get a better rate, then they should encourage factories (plastic, cement, etc) to develop in the area! Mumias is allowed to sell anyone electricity off-grid...

Only thermal producers get more but it is pegged on the price of oil & is generally short-term...
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guru267
#56 Posted : Friday, July 30, 2010 12:08:02 PM
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PKoli wrote:
@guru,
So far revenues from cogen are not very exciting due to the low tariffs they got from kplc.Ethanol, I will have to wait and see.water, I am not sure if they will make headway. When the annual accounts are out, please look at the contribution of cogen to their revenue. If it is over 25%, that is a good contribution, else, wait for the Tana. Also look at the load factor of the cogen plant to appreciate how well the plant has been operating.

@Pkoli i think you should just wait for the results which will be higher than 3billion PBT.... Mumias gets an 80% profit margin on co generation so if KPLC raises the amount they pay then the better for me
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PKoli
#57 Posted : Friday, July 30, 2010 1:00:35 PM
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@VVS and Guru

It is really not the tariff that you get paid that is the key aspect. The tariff should enable you pay for the debt, O & M and also cater for return on your equity. We should try to understand how much debt Mumias is paying and what are their operational costs?
PKoli
#58 Posted : Friday, July 30, 2010 1:14:57 PM
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There is some huge supply of MSC shares. I think the price should end lower today
VituVingiSana
#59 Posted : Friday, July 30, 2010 1:20:21 PM
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PKoli wrote:
@VVS and Guru

It is really not the tariff that you get paid that is the key aspect. The tariff should enable you pay for the debt, O & M and also cater for return on your equity. We should try to understand how much debt Mumias is paying and what are their operational costs?
Agreed but I think Mumias does OK in that respect.
There must be a sufficient margin or Mumias wud not have done it... BTW, it is priced in US$ to mitigate Mumias forex risk...
The huge plus is Mumias used to PAY to get rid of baggasse but now it is worth something!

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PKoli
#60 Posted : Friday, July 30, 2010 1:31:12 PM
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@VVS

The loan is in yen and they get paid the tariff in US$. Does this mitigate against the forex fluctuations?

On the bagasse side for disposal, I agree with you, that is a big plus. May be when the financials are out have a forensic look at their books and those fine print notes. In particular evaluate the cogen part of revenue and all the associated costs.
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