After all the lies, it looks like the collection of land grabbers, thieves, fornicators disguised as pastors and pishops will not manage more than 20% in the katiba referendum next Wednesday.

Rather than wasting any more time campaigning, I think they should now start collecting the 1million signatures they need to change the few clauses they are unhappy with.

That will be one honest thing they'll have done this side of the katiba.

@Wa_ithaka, good request put a touch crassly. It would be interesting if NO crusaders would join and draft new proposals for public debate on their contentious issues.

It would expose how gargantuan the task of drafting a constitution and seeking compromise is; perhaps even give the COE begrudging respect.

I dont think amendments will even go through.The way the No side have been confrontational it would be difficult to convince the yes bandwagon to an amendment.

Hi all... very interesting posts here... But asking the NO-ists to prepare amendments is a sign of naivette or plain ignorance of the amendment process... Here are some factors for you to consider:

Don't kid yourself, any amendments are not going to be easy to do. To carry out amendments:

1. You need to get at least 1 Million signatures of Registered voters.... this is no mean feat. They then have to be vetted by the Interim Independent Electoral Commission. This means that even if 1 signature is wrong, or there is s problem with that list the process can be derailed on a technicality. Article 257

2. It then has to be debated by ALL the county assemblies, and then if passed by a majority, it then goes to the AG for drafting into a bill to be presented to Parliament and the Senate. It can still be thrown out at this stage. This is a political stage in the process and any shenanigans can happen here. We know how corrupt and easily bought our leaders are.

3. Next it goes to Parliament (and the Senate) here it has to get a majority vote as well (curiously) from TWP THIRDS of the members (yet the quorum as stated in the draft is 14% and 22% for Lower house and Senate). Article 256-257

4. If it passes this stage it then has to go to a popular referendum IF it was an amendment to a protected clause (e.g. the Bill of Rights) Article 255.

5. Else it (hopefully) gets Presidential assent.

Points to Ponder:
a. If there is NO political will... ain't NOTHING you can do about amendments... NOTHING will sail through... yet you seem to agree that it needs some panel beating... based on these facts, Logic dictates that we amend it BEFORE it goes through then.

b. NO AMENDMENTS will be done BEFORE 2012... WHY because the COUNTY assemblies come into operation AFTER that..... (Note the 5th Schedule of the draft).... so till then we sit tight with all the issues we have.... is this fair?

c. This process is very torturous and expensive... can we really afford it?

Let us vote peacefully NO and then carry out the amendments... what say you?

aluta continua...thats why we have polls for decisions.

I am eargerly waiting for the post-referendum period. Especially if this proposed constitution is passed. When the truth will come out and the reallity sinks!

Kweli!

Of course waithaka they have not raised issues. I was just playing with them.

Lets face the facts

1. it would be illegal stop the referendum process now, right? We cant stop it anyway.
2. That means, we shall go through the referendum and you are advising us to vote NO then we amend then we vote yes the clean document
3. Those pressuring Kenyans to pass the draft then amend it later are not being 100% sincere or are ignorant of the astronomical costs involved in time, human and financial resources.

My question is simple, where will we get the money to cater for the process of another referendum once we vote NO? If we can get this, isnt it the same place we shall get if the draft goes through and the amendments are to be done?