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Magigi
#1 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:16:10 PM
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Location: Kenya
http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/nc76fez/-/index.html
In Summary

How Ms Karani spent the borrowed money

Sh17,000
Amount she spent to buy anointing oil. The oil packed in small bottles cost between Sh1,000 and Sh1,500, depending on spiritual needs

Sh5,000
What she paid for prayers to get a spouse. She was desperate to get a partner and borrowed money to pay the preacher.

Sh14,000
Spent on prayers to get a job. Ms Karani trusted that through her preacher, God would answer her prayers for a job, and was ready to pay.

...These pastors...They really need prayers from their flock!!!
Pastor M
#2 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:40:28 PM
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@Magigi I think she was robbed by conmen not pastors because of her ignorance and many people are being conned by fake lawyers,policemen,bankers,land brokers..Does it mean that the title Pastor cannot be used to con people. Also include this from the same article by Reverend Paul Selel of Neema International Church, Mombasa, says the money factor in the modern church has been accelerated by ignorance about Bible teachings.“Nowhere in the holy book is it written that a person has to pay money to get blessings from a preacher. Many up-coming “Bible teachers” distort the meaning and teachings of the Bible and use it as a way to enrich themselves.
Many churches today operate like supermarkets; asking for money, money, and more money. Without money, some preachers will even boycott church services or complain in public that the money contributed is not enough. That is not biblical,” he says.
Jesus said you shall know them by their fruits.....
My advice to many
Read the bible in Prayers...
Understand the bible if u dont ask someone who is mature in faith
then CHOOSE what to do with word you have read or heard.
Magigi
#3 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:51:08 PM
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Location: Kenya
...I am yet to hear of a preacher who does not blackmail his flock...yaani you have to do this to recieve that...blablabla...GOD is our provider. HE does not need anything from us. He gives all to us...He has everything, and I repeat everything...What he want us to do s to show kindness, help the needy...etc...but not ....
Pastor M
#4 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:04:55 PM
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Its not a blackmails,its because we read from the same scripts-The Bible.The relationship between God and Man has being conditional but God does not force Man to obey but He allows the cosequences of not obeying his word to fall on Man.One conditional John 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God--
youcan'tstopusnow
#5 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:16:44 PM
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Location: Black Africa
Magigi, maybe Kibaki should consider forming a "Commission of Inquiry" about pastorsLaughing out loudly
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
kadonye
#6 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:38:41 PM
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Joined: 5/30/2009
Posts: 1,390
We have a heart problem within the Christian community.

Whenever we give, we expect to receive.We think God is so cheap that he can be bribed using our few thousand shillings

Hordes of us seek the hand of God without seeking his face
What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
kyt
#7 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:50:51 AM
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isaiah says give freely what u get freely. without money and without price. that settles it.
LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
Magigi
#8 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:41:26 AM
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...@kyt.. give to whom?
Pastor M
#9 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:19:21 AM
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The Bible addresses giving to the church multiple times in both the Old and the New Testaments. God expects His people to give to the church, and then God will bless them for their obedience. The Bible says that those who give generously will be blessed generously. The Bible also says that God cares more about our attitudes toward giving to the church than He does about the actual amount that we give.
History
1. The concept of giving to the church goes all the way back to Abraham, who was the founding father of the Jewish faith, and, by extension, the Christian faith as well. Genesis 14:18-20 records Abraham giving a tenth of all he had to Melchizedek, who was both the king of Salem and priest of "God Most High." The only other person referred to as both king and priest in the Bible is Jesus. See Hebrews 6:19-20.
Size
2. The Bible says that God is more concerned about our hearts than the amount of money that we give to the church. In Mark 12:41-44, Jesus noted that a widow who gave only two very small copper coins actually gave more to the church than the wealthy people who gave more monetarily because the widow gave out of her poverty rather than her wealth. However, the Bible says in Act 5:1-10 that God was not pleased with Ananias, who gave a lot of money to the church but lied about it being all he had.
Considerations
3. The Bible says that God wants us to "sow generously," and He does not want us to give to the church grudgingly. According to II Corinthians 9:6-8, "God loves a cheerful giver." God wants us to give to the church what we have decided in our hearts. He does not want us to give "reluctantly or under compulsion." However, the Bible reminds us that those who give generously will also reap generously. See II Corinthians 9:6-8.
Warning
4. God sees failing to give to the church as "robbing" God. The Bible addresses this issue in Malachi 3:8-9. The Bible says that the failure to give full tithes (a tenth of your increase) and offerings (a "gift" to God in appreciation for what He has done for you) to the church is the equivalent of "robbing" God. As a result, the entire nation was under a "curse." God wants there to be "food in my house." (Malachi 3:10)
Benefits
5. In Malachi 3:10, the Bible follows up God's warning not to "rob" Him with the benefits of giving the full tithes and offerings to the church. The Bible says that God will richly bless us for giving to the church. In Malachi 3:10, the Bible encourages us to "test" God on his promise to "throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it."
Njung'e
#10 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:19:57 AM
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Location: Nairobi
@Kyt,
Few give freely....We actually seem to surrender what we have in exchange of favours from God.
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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