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KCB 2018 and Beyond
watesh
#721 Posted : Monday, July 31, 2023 9:44:16 AM
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KCB trading lower than covid lows. PE currently at 2.2 and can potentially go below 2 if we get improved earnings later in the year
My 2 cents
#722 Posted : Monday, July 31, 2023 12:31:06 PM
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watesh wrote:
KCB trading lower than covid lows. PE currently at 2.2 and can potentially go below 2 if we get improved earnings later in the year


The market is fearful of the managements propensity for greed. The management have discovered the new cash cow. Withhold dividends to make 'acquisitions' - who knows if these acquisitions are being made competitively. I saw an interview with the CFO where he talks about the fact that they are still keeping a eye out for 'good acquisitions' - possibly Ethiopia.

Trust me, each time these acquisitions are made, there is a group that is making GOOD MONEY.

I hope I am wrong. If I am wrong - KCB is a screaming BUY.
Queen
#723 Posted : Tuesday, August 01, 2023 1:24:08 PM
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My 2 cents wrote:
watesh wrote:
KCB trading lower than covid lows. PE currently at 2.2 and can potentially go below 2 if we get improved earnings later in the year


The market is fearful of the managements propensity for greed. The management have discovered the new cash cow. Withhold dividends to make 'acquisitions' - who knows if these acquisitions are being made competitively. I saw an interview with the CFO where he talks about the fact that they are still keeping a eye out for 'good acquisitions' - possibly Ethiopia.

Trust me, each time these acquisitions are made, there is a group that is making GOOD MONEY.

I hope I am wrong. If I am wrong - KCB is a screaming BUY.


I suspect you are right. Moreover KCB's past history hardly inspires any confidence. Greedy and well politically-connected individuals are known to use KCB as a cash cow.
xtina
#724 Posted : Thursday, August 24, 2023 9:27:10 AM
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Is this the beginning of the end? I am not a KCB shareholder but the latest results are very alarming
watesh
#725 Posted : Thursday, August 24, 2023 11:29:16 AM
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xtina wrote:
Is this the beginning of the end? I am not a KCB shareholder but the latest results are very alarming


From my observations, they are having a bunch of challenges with some large loans from the Oigara era eg English Point Marina (Ksh5bn). Loan loss provisions have just been up ever since the new CEO took over. NBK on the other hand got a kick in the nuts when the Supreme Court ordered them to pay Ksh2.2bn to ex Taveta MP Basil. I don't think they can appeal that. All these affect capital ratios and dividend amount possible.

On the positive side - Subsidiaries are finally growing fast. Most impressive one is Tanzania. Kenyan subsidiary got a huge influx of deposits in Q2 (Ksh200bn in one quarter) hence higher interest rate spend. If these deposits are sticky, they can make good money.

Top line growth is there but heavy provisions are pushing this bank back. It's a mixed bag but not the beginning of the end.
VituVingiSana
#726 Posted : Thursday, August 24, 2023 11:53:02 PM
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watesh wrote:
xtina wrote:
Is this the beginning of the end? I am not a KCB shareholder but the latest results are very alarming


From my observations, they are having a bunch of challenges with some large loans from the Oigara era eg English Point Marina (Ksh5bn). Loan loss provisions have just been up ever since the new CEO took over. NBK on the other hand got a kick in the nuts when the Supreme Court ordered them to pay Ksh2.2bn to ex Taveta MP Basil. I don't think they can appeal that. All these affect capital ratios and dividend amount possible.

On the positive side - Subsidiaries are finally growing fast. Most impressive one is Tanzania. Kenyan subsidiary got a huge influx of deposits in Q2 (Ksh200bn in one quarter) hence higher interest rate spend. If these deposits are sticky, they can make good money.

Top line growth is there but heavy provisions are pushing this bank back. It's a mixed bag but not the beginning of the end.


1) It seems Oigara was understating the NPLs. New broom sweeps clean.
2) KCB KE growth in deposits might be due to the G2G fuel deal. Unlikely to be sticky unless that program is extended.
3) Some of the CARs are barely above the minimum which will constrain further growth.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
watesh
#727 Posted : Friday, August 25, 2023 8:10:28 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
watesh wrote:
xtina wrote:
Is this the beginning of the end? I am not a KCB shareholder but the latest results are very alarming


From my observations, they are having a bunch of challenges with some large loans from the Oigara era eg English Point Marina (Ksh5bn). Loan loss provisions have just been up ever since the new CEO took over. NBK on the other hand got a kick in the nuts when the Supreme Court ordered them to pay Ksh2.2bn to ex Taveta MP Basil. I don't think they can appeal that. All these affect capital ratios and dividend amount possible.

On the positive side - Subsidiaries are finally growing fast. Most impressive one is Tanzania. Kenyan subsidiary got a huge influx of deposits in Q2 (Ksh200bn in one quarter) hence higher interest rate spend. If these deposits are sticky, they can make good money.

Top line growth is there but heavy provisions are pushing this bank back. It's a mixed bag but not the beginning of the end.


1) It seems Oigara was understating the NPLs. New broom sweeps clean.
2) KCB KE growth in deposits might be due to the G2G fuel deal. Unlikely to be sticky unless that program is extended.
3) Some of the CARs are barely above the minimum which will constrain further growth.


G2G seems to be ending. KCB might go back to struggling getting deposits.
Looking forward to KCB CEO interview by Julians Amboko. He will shed more light on most of these issues. If they are not as bad as they seem then KCB is a good buy below 25.
Jon Jones
#728 Posted : Friday, August 25, 2023 7:52:58 PM
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Newton's first law of motion. Things continue to persist. I will stay as far away from this counter as I possibly can until they record an increase in FY profits compared to the previous year. I expect the profits to keep declining until something fundamental changes.
Since men have learned to shoot without missing, I have learned to fly without perching
Ericsson
#729 Posted : Saturday, August 26, 2023 11:01:23 AM
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watesh wrote:
xtina wrote:
Is this the beginning of the end? I am not a KCB shareholder but the latest results are very alarming


From my observations, they are having a bunch of challenges with some large loans from the Oigara era eg English Point Marina (Ksh5bn). Loan loss provisions have just been up ever since the new CEO took over. NBK on the other hand got a kick in the nuts when the Supreme Court ordered them to pay Ksh2.2bn to ex Taveta MP Basil. I don't think they can appeal that. All these affect capital ratios and dividend amount possible.

On the positive side - Subsidiaries are finally growing fast. Most impressive one is Tanzania. Kenyan subsidiary got a huge influx of deposits in Q2 (Ksh200bn in one quarter) hence higher interest rate spend. If these deposits are sticky, they can make good money.

Top line growth is there but heavy provisions are pushing this bank back. It's a mixed bag but not the beginning of the end.


Uganda also growing faster than Tanzania percentage wise.
TMB also growing fast on the balance sheet aspect if you compare FY2022 and HY2023
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
watesh
#730 Posted : Monday, August 28, 2023 9:16:59 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
watesh wrote:
xtina wrote:
Is this the beginning of the end? I am not a KCB shareholder but the latest results are very alarming


From my observations, they are having a bunch of challenges with some large loans from the Oigara era eg English Point Marina (Ksh5bn). Loan loss provisions have just been up ever since the new CEO took over. NBK on the other hand got a kick in the nuts when the Supreme Court ordered them to pay Ksh2.2bn to ex Taveta MP Basil. I don't think they can appeal that. All these affect capital ratios and dividend amount possible.

On the positive side - Subsidiaries are finally growing fast. Most impressive one is Tanzania. Kenyan subsidiary got a huge influx of deposits in Q2 (Ksh200bn in one quarter) hence higher interest rate spend. If these deposits are sticky, they can make good money.

Top line growth is there but heavy provisions are pushing this bank back. It's a mixed bag but not the beginning of the end.


I am really excited about TMB. Judging from what Equity have been able to do with EquityBCDC, KCB are also capable of building a similar sized bank in Congo. In addition to TMB, they also bought an insurance company so that's something they can grow too.
Uganda also growing faster than Tanzania percentage wise.
TMB also growing fast on the balance sheet aspect if you compare FY2022 and HY2023

DtheK
#731 Posted : Tuesday, September 26, 2023 2:46:43 PM
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I think at a PE of 1.95 KCB is currently undervalued(compare to HFCK at 5)
Considering the Capital adequacy issues we can expect between 1-2 bob DPS this year.
If they go easy on the acquisitions(spend no more than 5B/year) then 3 bob DPS for FY 2024 and 4 or 5 for FY 2025 is not far fetched.
Oh and they should consider closing NBK I'm not convinced it adds value.
obiero
#732 Posted : Tuesday, September 26, 2023 7:03:37 PM
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DtheK wrote:
I think at a PE of 1.95 KCB is currently undervalued(compare to HFCK at 5)
Considering the Capital adequacy issues we can expect between 1-2 bob DPS this year.
If they go easy on the acquisitions(spend no more than 5B/year) then 3 bob DPS for FY 2024 and 4 or 5 for FY 2025 is not far fetched.
Oh and they should consider closing NBK I'm not convinced it adds value.

You are very optimistic on the DPS

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
Ericsson
#733 Posted : Wednesday, September 27, 2023 7:43:18 AM
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watesh wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
watesh wrote:
xtina wrote:
Is this the beginning of the end? I am not a KCB shareholder but the latest results are very alarming


From my observations, they are having a bunch of challenges with some large loans from the Oigara era eg English Point Marina (Ksh5bn). Loan loss provisions have just been up ever since the new CEO took over. NBK on the other hand got a kick in the nuts when the Supreme Court ordered them to pay Ksh2.2bn to ex Taveta MP Basil. I don't think they can appeal that. All these affect capital ratios and dividend amount possible.

On the positive side - Subsidiaries are finally growing fast. Most impressive one is Tanzania. Kenyan subsidiary got a huge influx of deposits in Q2 (Ksh200bn in one quarter) hence higher interest rate spend. If these deposits are sticky, they can make good money.

Top line growth is there but heavy provisions are pushing this bank back. It's a mixed bag but not the beginning of the end.


1) It seems Oigara was understating the NPLs. New broom sweeps clean.
2) KCB KE growth in deposits might be due to the G2G fuel deal. Unlikely to be sticky unless that program is extended.
3) Some of the CARs are barely above the minimum which will constrain further growth.


G2G seems to be ending. KCB might go back to struggling getting deposits.
Looking forward to KCB CEO interview by Julians Amboko. He will shed more light on most of these issues. If they are not as bad as they seem then KCB is a good buy below 25.


G to G extended till December 2024
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#734 Posted : Wednesday, September 27, 2023 7:45:32 AM
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DtheK wrote:
I think at a PE of 1.95 KCB is currently undervalued(compare to HFCK at 5)
Considering the Capital adequacy issues we can expect between 1-2 bob DPS this year.
If they go easy on the acquisitions(spend no more than 5B/year) then 3 bob DPS for FY 2024 and 4 or 5 for FY 2025 is not far fetched.
Oh and they should consider closing NBK I'm not convinced it adds value.


Capital Adequacy ratios for KCB Kenya is a worrying concern.
Possibility of a rights issue cannot be ruled out to recapitalise KCB Kenya
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
obiero
#735 Posted : Thursday, September 28, 2023 7:44:47 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
DtheK wrote:
I think at a PE of 1.95 KCB is currently undervalued(compare to HFCK at 5)
Considering the Capital adequacy issues we can expect between 1-2 bob DPS this year.
If they go easy on the acquisitions(spend no more than 5B/year) then 3 bob DPS for FY 2024 and 4 or 5 for FY 2025 is not far fetched.
Oh and they should consider closing NBK I'm not convinced it adds value.


Capital Adequacy ratios for KCB Kenya is a worrying concern.
Possibility of a rights issue cannot be ruled out to recapitalise KCB Kenya

It is wise to listen to the Elders

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watesh
#736 Posted : Sunday, October 01, 2023 11:49:02 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
watesh wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
watesh wrote:
xtina wrote:
Is this the beginning of the end? I am not a KCB shareholder but the latest results are very alarming


From my observations, they are having a bunch of challenges with some large loans from the Oigara era eg English Point Marina (Ksh5bn). Loan loss provisions have just been up ever since the new CEO took over. NBK on the other hand got a kick in the nuts when the Supreme Court ordered them to pay Ksh2.2bn to ex Taveta MP Basil. I don't think they can appeal that. All these affect capital ratios and dividend amount possible.

On the positive side - Subsidiaries are finally growing fast. Most impressive one is Tanzania. Kenyan subsidiary got a huge influx of deposits in Q2 (Ksh200bn in one quarter) hence higher interest rate spend. If these deposits are sticky, they can make good money.

Top line growth is there but heavy provisions are pushing this bank back. It's a mixed bag but not the beginning of the end.


1) It seems Oigara was understating the NPLs. New broom sweeps clean.
2) KCB KE growth in deposits might be due to the G2G fuel deal. Unlikely to be sticky unless that program is extended.
3) Some of the CARs are barely above the minimum which will constrain further growth.


G2G seems to be ending. KCB might go back to struggling getting deposits.
Looking forward to KCB CEO interview by Julians Amboko. He will shed more light on most of these issues. If they are not as bad as they seem then KCB is a good buy below 25.


G to G extended till December 2024


Nice! A 3% - 5% margin on that 300bn deposit can net them close to 10bn - 15bn annually. That is a good tailwind to have. In addition to this, there is the new Treasury unit to optimize the excess cash in TMB and KCB TZ
VituVingiSana
#737 Posted : Monday, October 02, 2023 9:48:47 AM
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watesh wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
watesh wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
watesh wrote:
xtina wrote:
Is this the beginning of the end? I am not a KCB shareholder but the latest results are very alarming


From my observations, they are having a bunch of challenges with some large loans from the Oigara era eg English Point Marina (Ksh5bn). Loan loss provisions have just been up ever since the new CEO took over. NBK on the other hand got a kick in the nuts when the Supreme Court ordered them to pay Ksh2.2bn to ex Taveta MP Basil. I don't think they can appeal that. All these affect capital ratios and dividend amount possible.

On the positive side - Subsidiaries are finally growing fast. Most impressive one is Tanzania. Kenyan subsidiary got a huge influx of deposits in Q2 (Ksh200bn in one quarter) hence higher interest rate spend. If these deposits are sticky, they can make good money.

Top line growth is there but heavy provisions are pushing this bank back. It's a mixed bag but not the beginning of the end.


1) It seems Oigara was understating the NPLs. New broom sweeps clean.
2) KCB KE growth in deposits might be due to the G2G fuel deal. Unlikely to be sticky unless that program is extended.
3) Some of the CARs are barely above the minimum which will constrain further growth.


G2G seems to be ending. KCB might go back to struggling getting deposits.
Looking forward to KCB CEO interview by Julians Amboko. He will shed more light on most of these issues. If they are not as bad as they seem then KCB is a good buy below 25.


G to G extended till December 2024


Nice! A 3% - 5% margin on that 300bn deposit can net them close to 10bn - 15bn annually. That is a good tailwind to have. In addition to this, there is the new Treasury unit to optimize the excess cash in TMB and KCB TZ

Who, except GoK, will allow them to have a 3-5% margin?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
watesh
#738 Posted : Wednesday, October 04, 2023 5:06:02 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
watesh wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
watesh wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
watesh wrote:
xtina wrote:
Is this the beginning of the end? I am not a KCB shareholder but the latest results are very alarming


From my observations, they are having a bunch of challenges with some large loans from the Oigara era eg English Point Marina (Ksh5bn). Loan loss provisions have just been up ever since the new CEO took over. NBK on the other hand got a kick in the nuts when the Supreme Court ordered them to pay Ksh2.2bn to ex Taveta MP Basil. I don't think they can appeal that. All these affect capital ratios and dividend amount possible.

On the positive side - Subsidiaries are finally growing fast. Most impressive one is Tanzania. Kenyan subsidiary got a huge influx of deposits in Q2 (Ksh200bn in one quarter) hence higher interest rate spend. If these deposits are sticky, they can make good money.

Top line growth is there but heavy provisions are pushing this bank back. It's a mixed bag but not the beginning of the end.


1) It seems Oigara was understating the NPLs. New broom sweeps clean.
2) KCB KE growth in deposits might be due to the G2G fuel deal. Unlikely to be sticky unless that program is extended.
3) Some of the CARs are barely above the minimum which will constrain further growth.


G2G seems to be ending. KCB might go back to struggling getting deposits.
Looking forward to KCB CEO interview by Julians Amboko. He will shed more light on most of these issues. If they are not as bad as they seem then KCB is a good buy below 25.


G to G extended till December 2024


Nice! A 3% - 5% margin on that 300bn deposit can net them close to 10bn - 15bn annually. That is a good tailwind to have. In addition to this, there is the new Treasury unit to optimize the excess cash in TMB and KCB TZ

Who, except GoK, will allow them to have a 3-5% margin?


My bad, it's actually a 2% minimum margin on the shilling-denominated escrow account (interest bearing at the 91-day T-bill rate minus 2.0 percent). So there is an opportunity there.
Then there is the 0.4% on Letters Of Credit issued and exchange rate spread.
My 2 cents
#739 Posted : Wednesday, October 04, 2023 11:22:03 PM
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Oigara did not deserve the more than half a billion shillings paid to him in bonuses. I certainly hope Russo knows what he is doing.
littledove
#740 Posted : Thursday, November 23, 2023 9:42:48 AM
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https://www.money254.co.ke/post/kcb-group-reports-ksh30-7b-profit-in-quarter-3-2023-news
The KCB Group has reported a Ksh30.7 billion net profit for the nine months leading up to September 2023 up from the Ksh30.6 billion profit posted over the same period in 2022.

This coming from a strong growth in Quarter 3, 2023, where the group recorded a 34% growth in net earnings of Ksh14.6 billion as compared to Ksh10.9 billion over the same period in 2022.

Deposits increased to Ksh1.7 trillion from Ksh922 billion in Quarter 3 2022 pushing up the balance sheet past the Ksh2 trillion mark to Ksh2.1 trillion, a record high for the region.
KCB Kenya accounts for the majority of the assets with Ksh548 billion invested outside Kenya. KCB subsidiaries in the region include;

KCB Tanzania (56% increase in revenue to Ksh4.5 billion)
KCB Uganda (63% growth in revenue to Ksh3.3 billion)
KCB Burundi (16% growth in revenue to Ksh1.2 billion)
KCB South Sudan (41% growth in revenue to Ksh1.9 billion)
TMB Congo (Ksh18.1 billion revenue in Q3 2023)


impressive results from kcb q3 2023
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