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young
#1201 Posted : Saturday, June 11, 2022 2:27:18 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/20/2007
Posts: 2,037
Location: Lagos, Nigeria
VituVingiSana wrote:
FY 2022 Dividend Estimates
Some eg Centum (YE Mar 22) will likely be paid in 2022.
Some eg C&G (YE Sep 22) may pay in late 2022 or early 2023
Others eg SCBK and BAT (YE Dec 22) will pay an interim in 2022 and the final in 2023.

BAT 55 (5+50)
SCBK 20 (5+15)
C&G 2 (post-bonus)
CARB 1.50 (incl Special Dividend)
Longhorn 0.25
Centum 1.20
ABSA 1.25 (0.25+1)
Equity 5
KenyaRe 0.20
I&M 1.75
DTB 5

I will update the above as results are released.

Centum by 31 July
1H for banks + BAT by 31 Aug
Carbacid by 31 Oct
C&G by 31 Dec
KenyaRe 1H by 30 Sep
Longhorn by 30 Sep

Please add to this list dates of results release and estimates of dividends for other firms.
Also if you think my estimates are off, please indicate why and what.




Hi @VVS

Just a suggestion

Why not take the following action solely for high dividend income ?

Substitute DTB with KCB
Substitute I&M With Coop
Add Stanbic by reducing some position in Equity

REMOVE ENTIRELY
Longhorn
Kenya Re
Centum (poor performance ) and use the
proceeds to accumulate .

Some NCBA
Add more to Stanchart
Buy few EABL (Diversification)
Buy Safaricom ( At it's low now)


Above will ensure you have a better dividend
income spread and higher returns

Ideally with the right mix 10m ksh invested should yield btw 800k to 1 million ksh not miserly 450k I read about.

Ensure that the following counters have heavy weight in your portfolio for high dividend in order of importance dividend wise.

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic

Above should constitute at least 70% of your portfolio for high dividend income as their pay out ratio is the highest in NSE.


Note:- From my 18 years experience in Nairobi bourse (since 2004), capital gains is
DEAD or a WILD CHASE . Dividend income is it

Note:- I don't invest in BAT for ethical reasons but the other BIG 4 constitutes 80% of my portfolio (SCBK,NCBA,ABSA,STANBIC)
.
Be aware FY 22 COOP will return a dividend
of 1,30 to 1.50 due to improved performance (Fy 21 ksh1.00)

Asante Sana
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
young
#1202 Posted : Saturday, June 11, 2022 11:40:56 AM
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Joined: 6/20/2007
Posts: 2,037
Location: Lagos, Nigeria
Evidence that coop will pay a higher dividend in fy 22


https://www.businessdail...-higher-profits-3831424


It is not rocket science that year on year the dividend yield of SCBK is about 12.5% and that if NCBA 11.5%.

In FY 2021

-SCBK returned 19 ksh (5 & 14 ksh) on share price of 140 ksh

- NCBA returned 3 ksh (.75 & 2.25 ksh ) on
share price of 26.10 ksh
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
My 2 cents
#1203 Posted : Saturday, June 11, 2022 7:10:57 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 6/2/2010
Posts: 1,066
young wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
FY 2022 Dividend Estimates
Some eg Centum (YE Mar 22) will likely be paid in 2022.
Some eg C&G (YE Sep 22) may pay in late 2022 or early 2023
Others eg SCBK and BAT (YE Dec 22) will pay an interim in 2022 and the final in 2023.

BAT 55 (5+50)
SCBK 20 (5+15)
C&G 2 (post-bonus)
CARB 1.50 (incl Special Dividend)
Longhorn 0.25
Centum 1.20
ABSA 1.25 (0.25+1)
Equity 5
KenyaRe 0.20
I&M 1.75
DTB 5

I will update the above as results are released.

Centum by 31 July
1H for banks + BAT by 31 Aug
Carbacid by 31 Oct
C&G by 31 Dec
KenyaRe 1H by 30 Sep
Longhorn by 30 Sep

Please add to this list dates of results release and estimates of dividends for other firms.
Also if you think my estimates are off, please indicate why and what.




Hi @VVS

Just a suggestion

Why not take the following action solely for high dividend income ?

Substitute DTB with KCB
Substitute I&M With Coop
Add Stanbic by reducing some position in Equity

REMOVE ENTIRELY
Longhorn
Kenya Re
Centum (poor performance ) and use the
proceeds to accumulate .

Some NCBA
Add more to Stanchart
Buy few EABL (Diversification)
Buy Safaricom ( At it's low now)


Above will ensure you have a better dividend
income spread and higher returns

Ideally with the right mix 10m ksh invested should yield btw 800k to 1 million ksh not miserly 450k I read about.

Ensure that the following counters have heavy weight in your portfolio for high dividend in order of importance dividend wise.

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic

Above should constitute at least 70% of your portfolio for high dividend income as their pay out ratio is the highest in NSE.


Note:- From my 18 years experience in Nairobi bourse (since 2004), capital gains is
DEAD or a WILD CHASE . Dividend income is it

Note:- I don't invest in BAT for ethical reasons but the other BIG 4 constitutes 80% of my portfolio (SCBK,NCBA,ABSA,STANBIC)
.
Be aware FY 22 COOP will return a dividend
of 1,30 to 1.50 due to improved performance (Fy 21 ksh1.00)

Asante Sana


Very solid advice. On the banks I think it is a great idea to have exposure across the different types. Local, International, catering to different segments of population etc. For that reason I would also at least have one of either IM or DTB rather than dropping both of them.
Ericsson
#1204 Posted : Saturday, June 11, 2022 8:40:45 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,684
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
FY 2022 Dividend Estimates
Some eg Centum (YE Mar 22) will likely be paid in 2022.
Some eg C&G (YE Sep 22) may pay in late 2022 or early 2023
Others eg SCBK and BAT (YE Dec 22) will pay an interim in 2022 and the final in 2023.

BAT 55 (5+50)
SCBK 20 (5+15)
C&G 2 (post-bonus)
CARB 1.50 (incl Special Dividend)
Longhorn 0.25
Centum 1.20
ABSA 1.25 (0.25+1)
Equity 5
KenyaRe 0.20
I&M 1.75
DTB 5

I will update the above as results are released.

Centum by 31 July
1H for banks + BAT by 31 Aug
Carbacid by 31 Oct
C&G by 31 Dec
KenyaRe 1H by 30 Sep
Longhorn by 30 Sep

Please add to this list dates of results release and estimates of dividends for other firms.
Also if you think my estimates are off, please indicate why and what.


Centum I don't see them paying dividend this year.The Sidian sale transaction happened after close of FY22.
The full year results to be released in July will be a widened loss compared to HY.

Equity at best ksh.3.50-4,working with 30% dividend payout.
On Centum, I disagree, the blowback will be huge if they do not pay a dividend for FY22. The DPP is at least 1.20 and they didn't follow through last year. The share price touched 9.40 today.

On Equity, they will want to beat FY21 but I agree there is a lot of pressure on retaining funds. That said DRC is mostly a $ market and that will translate well into KES profits. Will they have leeway to distribute is another matter.



Centum share price at the current levels is factoring no dividend come release of end of year results next month so I don't expect a huge blowback
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#1205 Posted : Saturday, June 11, 2022 8:47:41 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,684
Location: NAIROBI
My 2 cents wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
FY 2022 Dividend Estimates
Some eg Centum (YE Mar 22) will likely be paid in 2022.
Some eg C&G (YE Sep 22) may pay in late 2022 or early 2023
Others eg SCBK and BAT (YE Dec 22) will pay an interim in 2022 and the final in 2023.

BAT 55 (5+50)
SCBK 20 (5+15)
C&G 2 (post-bonus)
CARB 1.50 (incl Special Dividend)
Longhorn 0.25
Centum 1.20
ABSA 1.25 (0.25+1)
Equity 5
KenyaRe 0.20
I&M 1.75
DTB 5

I will update the above as results are released.

Centum by 31 July
1H for banks + BAT by 31 Aug
Carbacid by 31 Oct
C&G by 31 Dec
KenyaRe 1H by 30 Sep
Longhorn by 30 Sep

Please add to this list dates of results release and estimates of dividends for other firms.
Also if you think my estimates are off, please indicate why and what.


Commenting on only the ones I own and disagree;

DTB - Unlikely that such a stingy dividend payer raises dividends by 66%. This year they were 'generous' because they paid nothing in 2021. They will probably go to 3.50

Kenya Re - They don't have a stable dividend policy lately. They will probably NOT double, instead perhaps 0.15

ABSA - Probaby 1.2 rather than 1.25. However the share has been rallying lately so I suspect there are people that know more. So perhaps you are closer to right than I am.



Kenya Re has issues on receivables and bad debts which erodes it's cashflows
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#1206 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2022 6:03:24 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,684
Location: NAIROBI
young wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
FY 2022 Dividend Estimates
Some eg Centum (YE Mar 22) will likely be paid in 2022.
Some eg C&G (YE Sep 22) may pay in late 2022 or early 2023
Others eg SCBK and BAT (YE Dec 22) will pay an interim in 2022 and the final in 2023.

BAT 55 (5+50)
SCBK 20 (5+15)
C&G 2 (post-bonus)
CARB 1.50 (incl Special Dividend)
Longhorn 0.25
Centum 1.20
ABSA 1.25 (0.25+1)
Equity 5
KenyaRe 0.20
I&M 1.75
DTB 5

I will update the above as results are released.

Centum by 31 July
1H for banks + BAT by 31 Aug
Carbacid by 31 Oct
C&G by 31 Dec
KenyaRe 1H by 30 Sep
Longhorn by 30 Sep

Please add to this list dates of results release and estimates of dividends for other firms.
Also if you think my estimates are off, please indicate why and what.




Hi @VVS

Just a suggestion

Why not take the following action solely for high dividend income ?

Substitute DTB with KCB
Substitute I&M With Coop
Add Stanbic by reducing some position in Equity

REMOVE ENTIRELY
Longhorn
Kenya Re
Centum (poor performance ) and use the
proceeds to accumulate .

Some NCBA
Add more to Stanchart
Buy few EABL (Diversification)
Buy Safaricom ( At it's low now)


Above will ensure you have a better dividend
income spread and higher returns

Ideally with the right mix 10m ksh invested should yield btw 800k to 1 million ksh not miserly 450k I read about.

Ensure that the following counters have heavy weight in your portfolio for high dividend in order of importance dividend wise.

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic

Above should constitute at least 70% of your portfolio for high dividend income as their pay out ratio is the highest in NSE.


Note:- From my 18 years experience in Nairobi bourse (since 2004), capital gains is
DEAD or a WILD CHASE . Dividend income is it

Note:- I don't invest in BAT for ethical reasons but the other BIG 4 constitutes 80% of my portfolio (SCBK,NCBA,ABSA,STANBIC)
.
Be aware FY 22 COOP will return a dividend
of 1,30 to 1.50 due to improved performance (Fy 21 ksh1.00)

Asante Sana


@vvs investing in KCB and co-op is a dream.
He is DTB die hard
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#1207 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2022 8:19:17 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,103
Location: Nairobi
FY 2022 Dividend Estimates after reading comments

Some eg Centum (YE Mar 22) will likely be paid in 2022.
Some eg C&G (YE Sep 22) may pay in late 2022 or early 2023
Others eg SCBK and BAT (YE Dec 22) will pay an interim in 2022 and the final in 2023.

BAT 55 (5+50)
SCBK 20 (5+15)
C&G 2 post-bonus (@McGill says 2.25 but 2H has been TanoTena'd)
CARB 1.50 (incl Special Dividend)
Longhorn 0.25
Centum 1.20
ABSA 1.25 (0.25+1)
Equity 4 (from 5 after reading @ericsson's comments)
KenyaRe 0.20 (@2cents watch this space)
I&M 1.75
DTB 5

I will update the above as results are released.

Centum by 31 July
1H for banks + BAT by 31 Aug
Carbacid by 31 Oct
C&G by 31 Dec
KenyaRe 1H by 30 Sep
Longhorn by 30 Sep

Please add to this list dates of results release and estimates of dividends for other firms.
Also if you think my estimates are off, please indicate why and what.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#1208 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2022 8:30:03 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,103
Location: Nairobi
My 2 cents wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
FY 2022 Dividend Estimates
Some eg Centum (YE Mar 22) will likely be paid in 2022.
Some eg C&G (YE Sep 22) may pay in late 2022 or early 2023
Others eg SCBK and BAT (YE Dec 22) will pay an interim in 2022 and the final in 2023.

BAT 55 (5+50)
SCBK 20 (5+15)
C&G 2 (post-bonus)
CARB 1.50 (incl Special Dividend)
Longhorn 0.25
Centum 1.20
ABSA 1.25 (0.25+1)
Equity 5
KenyaRe 0.20
I&M 1.75
DTB 5

I will update the above as results are released.

Centum by 31 July
1H for banks + BAT by 31 Aug
Carbacid by 31 Oct
C&G by 31 Dec
KenyaRe 1H by 30 Sep
Longhorn by 30 Sep

Please add to this list dates of results release and estimates of dividends for other firms.
Also if you think my estimates are off, please indicate why and what.


Commenting on only the ones I own and disagree;

DTB - Unlikely that such a stingy dividend payer raises dividends by 66%. This year they were 'generous' because they paid nothing in 2021. They will probably go to 3.50

Kenya Re - They don't have a stable dividend policy lately. They will probably NOT double, instead perhaps 0.15

ABSA - Probaby 1.2 rather than 1.25. However the share has been rallying lately so I suspect there are people that know more. So perhaps you are closer to right than I am.

Shareholders are not happy with DTB and that has been made known to the board. If you are a shareholder, please attend the AGM on 30th June.
Let's assume it makes the same profits as last year then a 30% payout makes 5/- manageable.

Kenya Re's AGM is on 17th June and unhappy shareholders have made their presence felt. Watch this space.

There's not a huge difference between 1.20 and 1.25 but I think they will pay out 55-65% of the EPS and 1Q22 looked good.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#1209 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2022 8:35:53 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,103
Location: Nairobi
McGill wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
FY 2022 Dividend Estimates
Some eg Centum (YE Mar 22) will likely be paid in 2022.
Some eg C&G (YE Sep 22) may pay in late 2022 or early 2023
Others eg SCBK and BAT (YE Dec 22) will pay an interim in 2022 and the final in 2023.

BAT 55 (5+50)
SCBK 20 (5+15)
C&G 2 (post-bonus)
CARB 1.50 (incl Special Dividend)
Longhorn 0.25
Centum 1.20
ABSA 1.25 (0.25+1)
Equity 5
KenyaRe 0.20
I&M 1.75
DTB 5

I will update the above as results are released.

Centum by 31 July
1H for banks + BAT by 31 Aug
Carbacid by 31 Oct
C&G by 31 Dec
KenyaRe 1H by 30 Sep
Longhorn by 30 Sep

Please add to this list dates of results release and estimates of dividends for other firms.
Also if you think my estimates are off, please indicate why and what.


I expect a marginally better div from C&G of 2.25 (14% payout as last year. FY EPS estimated at (7.97X2)

I hope you are right on Longhorn because I have been trapped by the sub ksh4 prices for long

Why are you so optimistic about a special div from Carbacid?

C&G - I would prefer the higher dividend but it is unlikely 2H will be as good as 1H given the $ shortage, higher fuel prices, higher interest rates and the boda crackdowns. The $ shortage worries me the most.

Longhorn's policy seems to be to pay a dividend out of profits. The 1H was profitable and 2H seems back on track as most schools reopened regionally. I also think they had inventory stuck due to COVID which could have been shipped in FY22.

Carbacid had a great 1H and has lots of cash but the BOC deal seems stuck until the CMA gets its act together [insert laugh track] so it may distribute the cash.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#1210 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2022 8:36:09 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,684
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
FY 2022 Dividend Estimates after reading comments

Some eg Centum (YE Mar 22) will likely be paid in 2022.
Some eg C&G (YE Sep 22) may pay in late 2022 or early 2023
Others eg SCBK and BAT (YE Dec 22) will pay an interim in 2022 and the final in 2023.

BAT 55 (5+50)
SCBK 20 (5+15)
C&G 2 post-bonus (@McGill says 2.25 but 2H has been TanoTena'd)
CARB 1.50 (incl Special Dividend)
Longhorn 0.25
Centum 1.20
ABSA 1.25 (0.25+1)
Equity 4 (from 5 after reading @ericsson's comments)
KenyaRe 0.20 (@2cents watch this space)
I&M 1.75
DTB 5

I will update the above as results are released.

Centum by 31 July
1H for banks + BAT by 31 Aug
Carbacid by 31 Oct
C&G by 31 Dec
KenyaRe 1H by 30 Sep
Longhorn by 30 Sep

Please add to this list dates of results release and estimates of dividends for other firms.
Also if you think my estimates are off, please indicate why and what.



KCB interim dividend ksh.1 18 August
Stanbic interim dividend ksh.2 by August 31
Kengen FY dividend ksh.0.3 early 2023
EABL Final dividend ksh.6.25 by August 4
Jubilee holdings interim dividend ksh.1 by September 30
NCBA interim dividend ksh.1 by August 31
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#1211 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2022 8:44:58 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,103
Location: Nairobi
young wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
FY 2022 Dividend Estimates
Some eg Centum (YE Mar 22) will likely be paid in 2022.
Some eg C&G (YE Sep 22) may pay in late 2022 or early 2023
Others eg SCBK and BAT (YE Dec 22) will pay an interim in 2022 and the final in 2023.

BAT 55 (5+50)
SCBK 20 (5+15)
C&G 2 (post-bonus)
CARB 1.50 (incl Special Dividend)
Longhorn 0.25
Centum 1.20
ABSA 1.25 (0.25+1)
Equity 5
KenyaRe 0.20
I&M 1.75
DTB 5

I will update the above as results are released.

Centum by 31 July
1H for banks + BAT by 31 Aug
Carbacid by 31 Oct
C&G by 31 Dec
KenyaRe 1H by 30 Sep
Longhorn by 30 Sep

Please add to this list dates of results release and estimates of dividends for other firms.
Also if you think my estimates are off, please indicate why and what.




Hi @VVS

Just a suggestion

Why not take the following action solely for high dividend income ?

Substitute DTB with KCB
Substitute I&M With Coop
Add Stanbic by reducing some position in Equity

REMOVE ENTIRELY
Longhorn
Kenya Re
Centum (poor performance ) and use the
proceeds to accumulate .

Some NCBA
Add more to Stanchart
Buy few EABL (Diversification)
Buy Safaricom ( At it's low now)


Above will ensure you have a better dividend
income spread and higher returns

Ideally with the right mix 10m ksh invested should yield btw 800k to 1 million ksh not miserly 450k I read about.

Ensure that the following counters have heavy weight in your portfolio for high dividend in order of importance dividend wise.

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic

Above should constitute at least 70% of your portfolio for high dividend income as their pay out ratio is the highest in NSE.


Note:- From my 18 years experience in Nairobi bourse (since 2004), capital gains is
DEAD or a WILD CHASE . Dividend income is it

Note:- I don't invest in BAT for ethical reasons but the other BIG 4 constitutes 80% of my portfolio (SCBK,NCBA,ABSA,STANBIC)
.
Be aware FY 22 COOP will return a dividend
of 1,30 to 1.50 due to improved performance (Fy 21 ksh1.00)

Asante Sana

Thank you.

I think DTB has a better chance of growth in share price than KCB. I do not trust KCB's financials and I hope Russo does a clean-up of the loan book.

I see a path for I&M to grow and I cannot see the same runway for Coop. Its mainstay are SACCOs but what happens when members (of SACCOs) need their money back? I&M never skimped on a dividend even during COVID.

I have Stanbic and Equity but the latter will grow faster thanks to DRC, TZ, UG, etc over the next 5 years. I am looking ahead.

I have ALL of the below Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly but I am working on picking just 3 and trim the rest. SCBK has a great DY but ABSA I believe will grow its EPS and DPS faster.

Stanbic is now a pure dividend play since SAHL has stopped buying. I might sell NCBA and buy something else eg ABSA or Equity.

I love BAT. I do not encourage smoking but if you do, please use BAT products. smile

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#1212 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2022 8:46:38 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,103
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
young wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
FY 2022 Dividend Estimates
Some eg Centum (YE Mar 22) will likely be paid in 2022.
Some eg C&G (YE Sep 22) may pay in late 2022 or early 2023
Others eg SCBK and BAT (YE Dec 22) will pay an interim in 2022 and the final in 2023.

BAT 55 (5+50)
SCBK 20 (5+15)
C&G 2 (post-bonus)
CARB 1.50 (incl Special Dividend)
Longhorn 0.25
Centum 1.20
ABSA 1.25 (0.25+1)
Equity 5
KenyaRe 0.20
I&M 1.75
DTB 5

I will update the above as results are released.

Centum by 31 July
1H for banks + BAT by 31 Aug
Carbacid by 31 Oct
C&G by 31 Dec
KenyaRe 1H by 30 Sep
Longhorn by 30 Sep

Please add to this list dates of results release and estimates of dividends for other firms.
Also if you think my estimates are off, please indicate why and what.




Hi @VVS

Just a suggestion

Why not take the following action solely for high dividend income ?

Substitute DTB with KCB
Substitute I&M With Coop
Add Stanbic by reducing some position in Equity

REMOVE ENTIRELY
Longhorn
Kenya Re
Centum (poor performance ) and use the
proceeds to accumulate .

Some NCBA
Add more to Stanchart
Buy few EABL (Diversification)
Buy Safaricom ( At it's low now)


Above will ensure you have a better dividend
income spread and higher returns

Ideally with the right mix 10m ksh invested should yield btw 800k to 1 million ksh not miserly 450k I read about.

Ensure that the following counters have heavy weight in your portfolio for high dividend in order of importance dividend wise.

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic

Above should constitute at least 70% of your portfolio for high dividend income as their pay out ratio is the highest in NSE.


Note:- From my 18 years experience in Nairobi bourse (since 2004), capital gains is
DEAD or a WILD CHASE . Dividend income is it

Note:- I don't invest in BAT for ethical reasons but the other BIG 4 constitutes 80% of my portfolio (SCBK,NCBA,ABSA,STANBIC)
.
Be aware FY 22 COOP will return a dividend
of 1,30 to 1.50 due to improved performance (Fy 21 ksh1.00)

Asante Sana


@vvs investing in KCB and co-op is a dream.
He is DTB die hard
Coop? Perhaps but not KCB until Russo does a clear-up. Muriuki has skin in the game. Oigara had peanuts. I do not trust the books. Equity > KCB for me.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#1213 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2022 10:52:54 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,684
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
young wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
FY 2022 Dividend Estimates
Some eg Centum (YE Mar 22) will likely be paid in 2022.
Some eg C&G (YE Sep 22) may pay in late 2022 or early 2023
Others eg SCBK and BAT (YE Dec 22) will pay an interim in 2022 and the final in 2023.

BAT 55 (5+50)
SCBK 20 (5+15)
C&G 2 (post-bonus)
CARB 1.50 (incl Special Dividend)
Longhorn 0.25
Centum 1.20
ABSA 1.25 (0.25+1)
Equity 5
KenyaRe 0.20
I&M 1.75
DTB 5

I will update the above as results are released.

Centum by 31 July
1H for banks + BAT by 31 Aug
Carbacid by 31 Oct
C&G by 31 Dec
KenyaRe 1H by 30 Sep
Longhorn by 30 Sep

Please add to this list dates of results release and estimates of dividends for other firms.
Also if you think my estimates are off, please indicate why and what.




Hi @VVS

Just a suggestion

Why not take the following action solely for high dividend income ?

Substitute DTB with KCB
Substitute I&M With Coop
Add Stanbic by reducing some position in Equity

REMOVE ENTIRELY
Longhorn
Kenya Re
Centum (poor performance ) and use the
proceeds to accumulate .

Some NCBA
Add more to Stanchart
Buy few EABL (Diversification)
Buy Safaricom ( At it's low now)


Above will ensure you have a better dividend
income spread and higher returns

Ideally with the right mix 10m ksh invested should yield btw 800k to 1 million ksh not miserly 450k I read about.

Ensure that the following counters have heavy weight in your portfolio for high dividend in order of importance dividend wise.

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic

Above should constitute at least 70% of your portfolio for high dividend income as their pay out ratio is the highest in NSE.


Note:- From my 18 years experience in Nairobi bourse (since 2004), capital gains is
DEAD or a WILD CHASE . Dividend income is it

Note:- I don't invest in BAT for ethical reasons but the other BIG 4 constitutes 80% of my portfolio (SCBK,NCBA,ABSA,STANBIC)
.
Be aware FY 22 COOP will return a dividend
of 1,30 to 1.50 due to improved performance (Fy 21 ksh1.00)

Asante Sana

Thank you.

I think DTB has a better chance of growth in share price than KCB. I do not trust KCB's financials and I hope Russo does a clean-up of the loan book.

I see a path for I&M to grow and I cannot see the same runway for Coop. Its mainstay are SACCOs but what happens when members (of SACCOs) need their money back? I&M never skimped on a dividend even during COVID.

I have Stanbic and Equity but the latter will grow faster thanks to DRC, TZ, UG, etc over the next 5 years. I am looking ahead.

I have ALL of the below Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly but I am working on picking just 3 and trim the rest. SCBK has a great DY but ABSA I believe will grow its EPS and DPS faster.

Stanbic is now a pure dividend play since SAHL has stopped buying. I might sell NCBA and buy something else eg ABSA or Equity.

I love BAT. I do not encourage smoking but if you do, please use BAT products. smile

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic



Coop bank has never reduced it's dividend per share or even skipped.I&M management said they don't foresee a dividend payout of more than 30%,that is negative news and red flag.
Coop bank also has also been diversifying away from saccos.They financed Centum for Two Rivers project,lead financiers for Thika Road Mall,formed part of the syndicate lending for Kenya Pipeline project.
I&M they have lost the shine they used to have,there was a time they were position 4 in profitability,now relegated to position 7/8.
In my opinion I see better days for coop bank compared to I&M.

For DTB,I wish you the best,I don't foresee any change.They have never been generous with dividend so I see no change.
Their lending policy is also very fishy,where the share price was before was just a bubble waiting to burst.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#1214 Posted : Wednesday, June 15, 2022 3:33:46 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,103
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
young wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
FY 2022 Dividend Estimates
Some eg Centum (YE Mar 22) will likely be paid in 2022.
Some eg C&G (YE Sep 22) may pay in late 2022 or early 2023
Others eg SCBK and BAT (YE Dec 22) will pay an interim in 2022 and the final in 2023.

BAT 55 (5+50)
SCBK 20 (5+15)
C&G 2 (post-bonus)
CARB 1.50 (incl Special Dividend)
Longhorn 0.25
Centum 1.20
ABSA 1.25 (0.25+1)
Equity 5
KenyaRe 0.20
I&M 1.75
DTB 5

I will update the above as results are released.

Centum by 31 July
1H for banks + BAT by 31 Aug
Carbacid by 31 Oct
C&G by 31 Dec
KenyaRe 1H by 30 Sep
Longhorn by 30 Sep

Please add to this list dates of results release and estimates of dividends for other firms.
Also if you think my estimates are off, please indicate why and what.




Hi @VVS

Just a suggestion

Why not take the following action solely for high dividend income ?

Substitute DTB with KCB
Substitute I&M With Coop
Add Stanbic by reducing some position in Equity

REMOVE ENTIRELY
Longhorn
Kenya Re
Centum (poor performance ) and use the
proceeds to accumulate .

Some NCBA
Add more to Stanchart
Buy few EABL (Diversification)
Buy Safaricom ( At it's low now)


Above will ensure you have a better dividend
income spread and higher returns

Ideally with the right mix 10m ksh invested should yield btw 800k to 1 million ksh not miserly 450k I read about.

Ensure that the following counters have heavy weight in your portfolio for high dividend in order of importance dividend wise.

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic

Above should constitute at least 70% of your portfolio for high dividend income as their pay out ratio is the highest in NSE.


Note:- From my 18 years experience in Nairobi bourse (since 2004), capital gains is
DEAD or a WILD CHASE . Dividend income is it

Note:- I don't invest in BAT for ethical reasons but the other BIG 4 constitutes 80% of my portfolio (SCBK,NCBA,ABSA,STANBIC)
.
Be aware FY 22 COOP will return a dividend
of 1,30 to 1.50 due to improved performance (Fy 21 ksh1.00)

Asante Sana

Thank you.

I think DTB has a better chance of growth in share price than KCB. I do not trust KCB's financials and I hope Russo does a clean-up of the loan book.

I see a path for I&M to grow and I cannot see the same runway for Coop. Its mainstay are SACCOs but what happens when members (of SACCOs) need their money back? I&M never skimped on a dividend even during COVID.

I have Stanbic and Equity but the latter will grow faster thanks to DRC, TZ, UG, etc over the next 5 years. I am looking ahead.

I have ALL of the below Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly but I am working on picking just 3 and trim the rest. SCBK has a great DY but ABSA I believe will grow its EPS and DPS faster.

Stanbic is now a pure dividend play since SAHL has stopped buying. I might sell NCBA and buy something else eg ABSA or Equity.

I love BAT. I do not encourage smoking but if you do, please use BAT products. smile

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic



Coop bank has never reduced it's dividend per share or even skipped.I&M management said they don't foresee a dividend payout of more than 30%,that is negative news and red flag.
Coop bank also has also been diversifying away from saccos.They financed Centum for Two Rivers project,lead financiers for Thika Road Mall,formed part of the syndicate lending for Kenya Pipeline project.
I&M they have lost the shine they used to have,there was a time they were position 4 in profitability,now relegated to position 7/8.
In my opinion I see better days for coop bank compared to I&M.

For DTB,I wish you the best,I don't foresee any change.They have never been generous with dividend so I see no change.
Their lending policy is also very fishy,where the share price was before was just a bubble waiting to burst.

I do not follow Coop but that's good to know some banks have been consistent dividend payers!
Equity dunga'd shareholders for 2 straight years.

On Coop vs I&M... I am #TeamI&M and I see their regional expansion will pay off better than Coop in the long run.

When was I&M #4 in PAT?

DTB needs a push. I do not expect a huge dividend but better than 3/- for FY2022. A minimum of 4/- but I think 5/-
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#1215 Posted : Wednesday, June 15, 2022 3:44:11 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,684
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
young wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
FY 2022 Dividend Estimates
Some eg Centum (YE Mar 22) will likely be paid in 2022.
Some eg C&G (YE Sep 22) may pay in late 2022 or early 2023
Others eg SCBK and BAT (YE Dec 22) will pay an interim in 2022 and the final in 2023.

BAT 55 (5+50)
SCBK 20 (5+15)
C&G 2 (post-bonus)
CARB 1.50 (incl Special Dividend)
Longhorn 0.25
Centum 1.20
ABSA 1.25 (0.25+1)
Equity 5
KenyaRe 0.20
I&M 1.75
DTB 5

I will update the above as results are released.

Centum by 31 July
1H for banks + BAT by 31 Aug
Carbacid by 31 Oct
C&G by 31 Dec
KenyaRe 1H by 30 Sep
Longhorn by 30 Sep

Please add to this list dates of results release and estimates of dividends for other firms.
Also if you think my estimates are off, please indicate why and what.




Hi @VVS

Just a suggestion

Why not take the following action solely for high dividend income ?

Substitute DTB with KCB
Substitute I&M With Coop
Add Stanbic by reducing some position in Equity

REMOVE ENTIRELY
Longhorn
Kenya Re
Centum (poor performance ) and use the
proceeds to accumulate .

Some NCBA
Add more to Stanchart
Buy few EABL (Diversification)
Buy Safaricom ( At it's low now)


Above will ensure you have a better dividend
income spread and higher returns

Ideally with the right mix 10m ksh invested should yield btw 800k to 1 million ksh not miserly 450k I read about.

Ensure that the following counters have heavy weight in your portfolio for high dividend in order of importance dividend wise.

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic

Above should constitute at least 70% of your portfolio for high dividend income as their pay out ratio is the highest in NSE.


Note:- From my 18 years experience in Nairobi bourse (since 2004), capital gains is
DEAD or a WILD CHASE . Dividend income is it

Note:- I don't invest in BAT for ethical reasons but the other BIG 4 constitutes 80% of my portfolio (SCBK,NCBA,ABSA,STANBIC)
.
Be aware FY 22 COOP will return a dividend
of 1,30 to 1.50 due to improved performance (Fy 21 ksh1.00)

Asante Sana

Thank you.

I think DTB has a better chance of growth in share price than KCB. I do not trust KCB's financials and I hope Russo does a clean-up of the loan book.

I see a path for I&M to grow and I cannot see the same runway for Coop. Its mainstay are SACCOs but what happens when members (of SACCOs) need their money back? I&M never skimped on a dividend even during COVID.

I have Stanbic and Equity but the latter will grow faster thanks to DRC, TZ, UG, etc over the next 5 years. I am looking ahead.

I have ALL of the below Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly but I am working on picking just 3 and trim the rest. SCBK has a great DY but ABSA I believe will grow its EPS and DPS faster.

Stanbic is now a pure dividend play since SAHL has stopped buying. I might sell NCBA and buy something else eg ABSA or Equity.

I love BAT. I do not encourage smoking but if you do, please use BAT products. smile

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic



Coop bank has never reduced it's dividend per share or even skipped.I&M management said they don't foresee a dividend payout of more than 30%,that is negative news and red flag.
Coop bank also has also been diversifying away from saccos.They financed Centum for Two Rivers project,lead financiers for Thika Road Mall,formed part of the syndicate lending for Kenya Pipeline project.
I&M they have lost the shine they used to have,there was a time they were position 4 in profitability,now relegated to position 7/8.
In my opinion I see better days for coop bank compared to I&M.

For DTB,I wish you the best,I don't foresee any change.They have never been generous with dividend so I see no change.
Their lending policy is also very fishy,where the share price was before was just a bubble waiting to burst.

I do not follow Coop but that's good to know some banks have been consistent dividend payers!
Equity dunga'd shareholders for 2 straight years.

On Coop vs I&M... I am #TeamI&M and I see their regional expansion will pay off better than Coop in the long run.

When was I&M #4 in PAT?

DTB needs a push. I do not expect a huge dividend but better than 3/- for FY2022. A minimum of 4/- but I think 5/-


I&M was position 4 in FY2019
Profit before tax ksh.14.6bn and PAT 10.8bn
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#1216 Posted : Wednesday, June 15, 2022 7:46:34 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,103
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
young wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
FY 2022 Dividend Estimates
Some eg Centum (YE Mar 22) will likely be paid in 2022.
Some eg C&G (YE Sep 22) may pay in late 2022 or early 2023
Others eg SCBK and BAT (YE Dec 22) will pay an interim in 2022 and the final in 2023.

BAT 55 (5+50)
SCBK 20 (5+15)
C&G 2 (post-bonus)
CARB 1.50 (incl Special Dividend)
Longhorn 0.25
Centum 1.20
ABSA 1.25 (0.25+1)
Equity 5
KenyaRe 0.20
I&M 1.75
DTB 5

I will update the above as results are released.

Centum by 31 July
1H for banks + BAT by 31 Aug
Carbacid by 31 Oct
C&G by 31 Dec
KenyaRe 1H by 30 Sep
Longhorn by 30 Sep

Please add to this list dates of results release and estimates of dividends for other firms.
Also if you think my estimates are off, please indicate why and what.




Hi @VVS

Just a suggestion

Why not take the following action solely for high dividend income ?

Substitute DTB with KCB
Substitute I&M With Coop
Add Stanbic by reducing some position in Equity

REMOVE ENTIRELY
Longhorn
Kenya Re
Centum (poor performance ) and use the
proceeds to accumulate .

Some NCBA
Add more to Stanchart
Buy few EABL (Diversification)
Buy Safaricom ( At it's low now)


Above will ensure you have a better dividend
income spread and higher returns

Ideally with the right mix 10m ksh invested should yield btw 800k to 1 million ksh not miserly 450k I read about.

Ensure that the following counters have heavy weight in your portfolio for high dividend in order of importance dividend wise.

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic

Above should constitute at least 70% of your portfolio for high dividend income as their pay out ratio is the highest in NSE.


Note:- From my 18 years experience in Nairobi bourse (since 2004), capital gains is
DEAD or a WILD CHASE . Dividend income is it

Note:- I don't invest in BAT for ethical reasons but the other BIG 4 constitutes 80% of my portfolio (SCBK,NCBA,ABSA,STANBIC)
.
Be aware FY 22 COOP will return a dividend
of 1,30 to 1.50 due to improved performance (Fy 21 ksh1.00)

Asante Sana

Thank you.

I think DTB has a better chance of growth in share price than KCB. I do not trust KCB's financials and I hope Russo does a clean-up of the loan book.

I see a path for I&M to grow and I cannot see the same runway for Coop. Its mainstay are SACCOs but what happens when members (of SACCOs) need their money back? I&M never skimped on a dividend even during COVID.

I have Stanbic and Equity but the latter will grow faster thanks to DRC, TZ, UG, etc over the next 5 years. I am looking ahead.

I have ALL of the below Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly but I am working on picking just 3 and trim the rest. SCBK has a great DY but ABSA I believe will grow its EPS and DPS faster.

Stanbic is now a pure dividend play since SAHL has stopped buying. I might sell NCBA and buy something else eg ABSA or Equity.

I love BAT. I do not encourage smoking but if you do, please use BAT products. smile

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic



Coop bank has never reduced it's dividend per share or even skipped.I&M management said they don't foresee a dividend payout of more than 30%,that is negative news and red flag.
Coop bank also has also been diversifying away from saccos.They financed Centum for Two Rivers project,lead financiers for Thika Road Mall,formed part of the syndicate lending for Kenya Pipeline project.
I&M they have lost the shine they used to have,there was a time they were position 4 in profitability,now relegated to position 7/8.
In my opinion I see better days for coop bank compared to I&M.

For DTB,I wish you the best,I don't foresee any change.They have never been generous with dividend so I see no change.
Their lending policy is also very fishy,where the share price was before was just a bubble waiting to burst.

I do not follow Coop but that's good to know some banks have been consistent dividend payers!
Equity dunga'd shareholders for 2 straight years.

On Coop vs I&M... I am #TeamI&M and I see their regional expansion will pay off better than Coop in the long run.

When was I&M #4 in PAT?

DTB needs a push. I do not expect a huge dividend but better than 3/- for FY2022. A minimum of 4/- but I think 5/-


I&M was position 4 in FY2019
Profit before tax ksh.14.6bn and PAT 10.8bn
I assume KCB, Equity and Coop were definitely ahead.

What about SCBK, NCBA and ABSA in FY19?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#1217 Posted : Wednesday, June 15, 2022 9:38:55 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,684
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
young wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
FY 2022 Dividend Estimates
Some eg Centum (YE Mar 22) will likely be paid in 2022.
Some eg C&G (YE Sep 22) may pay in late 2022 or early 2023
Others eg SCBK and BAT (YE Dec 22) will pay an interim in 2022 and the final in 2023.

BAT 55 (5+50)
SCBK 20 (5+15)
C&G 2 (post-bonus)
CARB 1.50 (incl Special Dividend)
Longhorn 0.25
Centum 1.20
ABSA 1.25 (0.25+1)
Equity 5
KenyaRe 0.20
I&M 1.75
DTB 5

I will update the above as results are released.

Centum by 31 July
1H for banks + BAT by 31 Aug
Carbacid by 31 Oct
C&G by 31 Dec
KenyaRe 1H by 30 Sep
Longhorn by 30 Sep

Please add to this list dates of results release and estimates of dividends for other firms.
Also if you think my estimates are off, please indicate why and what.




Hi @VVS

Just a suggestion

Why not take the following action solely for high dividend income ?

Substitute DTB with KCB
Substitute I&M With Coop
Add Stanbic by reducing some position in Equity

REMOVE ENTIRELY
Longhorn
Kenya Re
Centum (poor performance ) and use the
proceeds to accumulate .

Some NCBA
Add more to Stanchart
Buy few EABL (Diversification)
Buy Safaricom ( At it's low now)


Above will ensure you have a better dividend
income spread and higher returns

Ideally with the right mix 10m ksh invested should yield btw 800k to 1 million ksh not miserly 450k I read about.

Ensure that the following counters have heavy weight in your portfolio for high dividend in order of importance dividend wise.

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic

Above should constitute at least 70% of your portfolio for high dividend income as their pay out ratio is the highest in NSE.


Note:- From my 18 years experience in Nairobi bourse (since 2004), capital gains is
DEAD or a WILD CHASE . Dividend income is it

Note:- I don't invest in BAT for ethical reasons but the other BIG 4 constitutes 80% of my portfolio (SCBK,NCBA,ABSA,STANBIC)
.
Be aware FY 22 COOP will return a dividend
of 1,30 to 1.50 due to improved performance (Fy 21 ksh1.00)

Asante Sana

Thank you.

I think DTB has a better chance of growth in share price than KCB. I do not trust KCB's financials and I hope Russo does a clean-up of the loan book.

I see a path for I&M to grow and I cannot see the same runway for Coop. Its mainstay are SACCOs but what happens when members (of SACCOs) need their money back? I&M never skimped on a dividend even during COVID.

I have Stanbic and Equity but the latter will grow faster thanks to DRC, TZ, UG, etc over the next 5 years. I am looking ahead.

I have ALL of the below Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly but I am working on picking just 3 and trim the rest. SCBK has a great DY but ABSA I believe will grow its EPS and DPS faster.

Stanbic is now a pure dividend play since SAHL has stopped buying. I might sell NCBA and buy something else eg ABSA or Equity.

I love BAT. I do not encourage smoking but if you do, please use BAT products. smile

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic



Coop bank has never reduced it's dividend per share or even skipped.I&M management said they don't foresee a dividend payout of more than 30%,that is negative news and red flag.
Coop bank also has also been diversifying away from saccos.They financed Centum for Two Rivers project,lead financiers for Thika Road Mall,formed part of the syndicate lending for Kenya Pipeline project.
I&M they have lost the shine they used to have,there was a time they were position 4 in profitability,now relegated to position 7/8.
In my opinion I see better days for coop bank compared to I&M.

For DTB,I wish you the best,I don't foresee any change.They have never been generous with dividend so I see no change.
Their lending policy is also very fishy,where the share price was before was just a bubble waiting to burst.

I do not follow Coop but that's good to know some banks have been consistent dividend payers!
Equity dunga'd shareholders for 2 straight years.

On Coop vs I&M... I am #TeamI&M and I see their regional expansion will pay off better than Coop in the long run.

When was I&M #4 in PAT?

DTB needs a push. I do not expect a huge dividend but better than 3/- for FY2022. A minimum of 4/- but I think 5/-


I&M was position 4 in FY2019
Profit before tax ksh.14.6bn and PAT 10.8bn
I assume KCB, Equity and Coop were definitely ahead.

What about SCBK, NCBA and ABSA in FY19?

SCBK Ksh.12.2bn
NCBA Ksh.11.3bn
ABSA Ksh.12.3bn
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#1218 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2022 5:42:55 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,103
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
young wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
FY 2022 Dividend Estimates
Some eg Centum (YE Mar 22) will likely be paid in 2022.
Some eg C&G (YE Sep 22) may pay in late 2022 or early 2023
Others eg SCBK and BAT (YE Dec 22) will pay an interim in 2022 and the final in 2023.

BAT 55 (5+50)
SCBK 20 (5+15)
C&G 2 (post-bonus)
CARB 1.50 (incl Special Dividend)
Longhorn 0.25
Centum 1.20
ABSA 1.25 (0.25+1)
Equity 5
KenyaRe 0.20
I&M 1.75
DTB 5

I will update the above as results are released.

Centum by 31 July
1H for banks + BAT by 31 Aug
Carbacid by 31 Oct
C&G by 31 Dec
KenyaRe 1H by 30 Sep
Longhorn by 30 Sep

Please add to this list dates of results release and estimates of dividends for other firms.
Also if you think my estimates are off, please indicate why and what.




Hi @VVS

Just a suggestion

Why not take the following action solely for high dividend income ?

Substitute DTB with KCB
Substitute I&M With Coop
Add Stanbic by reducing some position in Equity

REMOVE ENTIRELY
Longhorn
Kenya Re
Centum (poor performance ) and use the
proceeds to accumulate .

Some NCBA
Add more to Stanchart
Buy few EABL (Diversification)
Buy Safaricom ( At it's low now)


Above will ensure you have a better dividend
income spread and higher returns

Ideally with the right mix 10m ksh invested should yield btw 800k to 1 million ksh not miserly 450k I read about.

Ensure that the following counters have heavy weight in your portfolio for high dividend in order of importance dividend wise.

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic

Above should constitute at least 70% of your portfolio for high dividend income as their pay out ratio is the highest in NSE.


Note:- From my 18 years experience in Nairobi bourse (since 2004), capital gains is
DEAD or a WILD CHASE . Dividend income is it

Note:- I don't invest in BAT for ethical reasons but the other BIG 4 constitutes 80% of my portfolio (SCBK,NCBA,ABSA,STANBIC)
.
Be aware FY 22 COOP will return a dividend
of 1,30 to 1.50 due to improved performance (Fy 21 ksh1.00)

Asante Sana

Thank you.

I think DTB has a better chance of growth in share price than KCB. I do not trust KCB's financials and I hope Russo does a clean-up of the loan book.

I see a path for I&M to grow and I cannot see the same runway for Coop. Its mainstay are SACCOs but what happens when members (of SACCOs) need their money back? I&M never skimped on a dividend even during COVID.

I have Stanbic and Equity but the latter will grow faster thanks to DRC, TZ, UG, etc over the next 5 years. I am looking ahead.

I have ALL of the below Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly but I am working on picking just 3 and trim the rest. SCBK has a great DY but ABSA I believe will grow its EPS and DPS faster.

Stanbic is now a pure dividend play since SAHL has stopped buying. I might sell NCBA and buy something else eg ABSA or Equity.

I love BAT. I do not encourage smoking but if you do, please use BAT products. smile

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic



Coop bank has never reduced it's dividend per share or even skipped.I&M management said they don't foresee a dividend payout of more than 30%,that is negative news and red flag.
Coop bank also has also been diversifying away from saccos.They financed Centum for Two Rivers project,lead financiers for Thika Road Mall,formed part of the syndicate lending for Kenya Pipeline project.
I&M they have lost the shine they used to have,there was a time they were position 4 in profitability,now relegated to position 7/8.
In my opinion I see better days for coop bank compared to I&M.

For DTB,I wish you the best,I don't foresee any change.They have never been generous with dividend so I see no change.
Their lending policy is also very fishy,where the share price was before was just a bubble waiting to burst.

I do not follow Coop but that's good to know some banks have been consistent dividend payers!
Equity dunga'd shareholders for 2 straight years.

On Coop vs I&M... I am #TeamI&M and I see their regional expansion will pay off better than Coop in the long run.

When was I&M #4 in PAT?

DTB needs a push. I do not expect a huge dividend but better than 3/- for FY2022. A minimum of 4/- but I think 5/-


I&M was position 4 in FY2019
Profit before tax ksh.14.6bn and PAT 10.8bn
I assume KCB, Equity and Coop were definitely ahead.

What about SCBK, NCBA and ABSA in FY19?

SCBK Ksh.12.2bn
NCBA Ksh.11.3bn
ABSA Ksh.12.3bn
There seems to be something else going on.

Perhaps the likes of ABSA & SCBK had taken large provisions that were reversed in later years. They have always been more conservative about provisioning.

DTB is an example of a bank that didn't NPL & provision adequately a few years ago and then had to in large chunks. Look at 4Q2020 and 4Q2021.

Anyway, I am comfier with I&M vs Coop for longer term EPS and Dividend growth.
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Ericsson
#1219 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2022 6:15:25 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,684
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
young wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
FY 2022 Dividend Estimates
Some eg Centum (YE Mar 22) will likely be paid in 2022.
Some eg C&G (YE Sep 22) may pay in late 2022 or early 2023
Others eg SCBK and BAT (YE Dec 22) will pay an interim in 2022 and the final in 2023.

BAT 55 (5+50)
SCBK 20 (5+15)
C&G 2 (post-bonus)
CARB 1.50 (incl Special Dividend)
Longhorn 0.25
Centum 1.20
ABSA 1.25 (0.25+1)
Equity 5
KenyaRe 0.20
I&M 1.75
DTB 5

I will update the above as results are released.

Centum by 31 July
1H for banks + BAT by 31 Aug
Carbacid by 31 Oct
C&G by 31 Dec
KenyaRe 1H by 30 Sep
Longhorn by 30 Sep

Please add to this list dates of results release and estimates of dividends for other firms.
Also if you think my estimates are off, please indicate why and what.




Hi @VVS

Just a suggestion

Why not take the following action solely for high dividend income ?

Substitute DTB with KCB
Substitute I&M With Coop
Add Stanbic by reducing some position in Equity

REMOVE ENTIRELY
Longhorn
Kenya Re
Centum (poor performance ) and use the
proceeds to accumulate .

Some NCBA
Add more to Stanchart
Buy few EABL (Diversification)
Buy Safaricom ( At it's low now)


Above will ensure you have a better dividend
income spread and higher returns

Ideally with the right mix 10m ksh invested should yield btw 800k to 1 million ksh not miserly 450k I read about.

Ensure that the following counters have heavy weight in your portfolio for high dividend in order of importance dividend wise.

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic

Above should constitute at least 70% of your portfolio for high dividend income as their pay out ratio is the highest in NSE.


Note:- From my 18 years experience in Nairobi bourse (since 2004), capital gains is
DEAD or a WILD CHASE . Dividend income is it

Note:- I don't invest in BAT for ethical reasons but the other BIG 4 constitutes 80% of my portfolio (SCBK,NCBA,ABSA,STANBIC)
.
Be aware FY 22 COOP will return a dividend
of 1,30 to 1.50 due to improved performance (Fy 21 ksh1.00)

Asante Sana

Thank you.

I think DTB has a better chance of growth in share price than KCB. I do not trust KCB's financials and I hope Russo does a clean-up of the loan book.

I see a path for I&M to grow and I cannot see the same runway for Coop. Its mainstay are SACCOs but what happens when members (of SACCOs) need their money back? I&M never skimped on a dividend even during COVID.

I have Stanbic and Equity but the latter will grow faster thanks to DRC, TZ, UG, etc over the next 5 years. I am looking ahead.

I have ALL of the below Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly but I am working on picking just 3 and trim the rest. SCBK has a great DY but ABSA I believe will grow its EPS and DPS faster.

Stanbic is now a pure dividend play since SAHL has stopped buying. I might sell NCBA and buy something else eg ABSA or Equity.

I love BAT. I do not encourage smoking but if you do, please use BAT products. smile

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic



Coop bank has never reduced it's dividend per share or even skipped.I&M management said they don't foresee a dividend payout of more than 30%,that is negative news and red flag.
Coop bank also has also been diversifying away from saccos.They financed Centum for Two Rivers project,lead financiers for Thika Road Mall,formed part of the syndicate lending for Kenya Pipeline project.
I&M they have lost the shine they used to have,there was a time they were position 4 in profitability,now relegated to position 7/8.
In my opinion I see better days for coop bank compared to I&M.

For DTB,I wish you the best,I don't foresee any change.They have never been generous with dividend so I see no change.
Their lending policy is also very fishy,where the share price was before was just a bubble waiting to burst.

I do not follow Coop but that's good to know some banks have been consistent dividend payers!
Equity dunga'd shareholders for 2 straight years.

On Coop vs I&M... I am #TeamI&M and I see their regional expansion will pay off better than Coop in the long run.

When was I&M #4 in PAT?

DTB needs a push. I do not expect a huge dividend but better than 3/- for FY2022. A minimum of 4/- but I think 5/-


I&M was position 4 in FY2019
Profit before tax ksh.14.6bn and PAT 10.8bn
I assume KCB, Equity and Coop were definitely ahead.

What about SCBK, NCBA and ABSA in FY19?

SCBK Ksh.12.2bn
NCBA Ksh.11.3bn
ABSA Ksh.12.3bn
There seems to be something else going on.

Perhaps the likes of ABSA & SCBK had taken large provisions that were reversed in later years. They have always been more conservative about provisioning.

DTB is an example of a bank that didn't NPL & provision adequately a few years ago and then had to in large chunks. Look at 4Q2020 and 4Q2021.

Anyway, I am comfier with I&M vs Coop for longer term EPS and Dividend growth.


And that has been the highest Profit for I&M,2021 when most banks had a good run that exceeded 2019 profit levels,I&M profit were lower than in 2019.

I&M is heavily reliant on the Indian business community ties for local and regional growth which is the weakest link.
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Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#1220 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2022 8:16:29 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,103
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
young wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
FY 2022 Dividend Estimates
Some eg Centum (YE Mar 22) will likely be paid in 2022.
Some eg C&G (YE Sep 22) may pay in late 2022 or early 2023
Others eg SCBK and BAT (YE Dec 22) will pay an interim in 2022 and the final in 2023.

BAT 55 (5+50)
SCBK 20 (5+15)
C&G 2 (post-bonus)
CARB 1.50 (incl Special Dividend)
Longhorn 0.25
Centum 1.20
ABSA 1.25 (0.25+1)
Equity 5
KenyaRe 0.20
I&M 1.75
DTB 5

I will update the above as results are released.

Centum by 31 July
1H for banks + BAT by 31 Aug
Carbacid by 31 Oct
C&G by 31 Dec
KenyaRe 1H by 30 Sep
Longhorn by 30 Sep

Please add to this list dates of results release and estimates of dividends for other firms.
Also if you think my estimates are off, please indicate why and what.




Hi @VVS

Just a suggestion

Why not take the following action solely for high dividend income ?

Substitute DTB with KCB
Substitute I&M With Coop
Add Stanbic by reducing some position in Equity

REMOVE ENTIRELY
Longhorn
Kenya Re
Centum (poor performance ) and use the
proceeds to accumulate .

Some NCBA
Add more to Stanchart
Buy few EABL (Diversification)
Buy Safaricom ( At it's low now)


Above will ensure you have a better dividend
income spread and higher returns

Ideally with the right mix 10m ksh invested should yield btw 800k to 1 million ksh not miserly 450k I read about.

Ensure that the following counters have heavy weight in your portfolio for high dividend in order of importance dividend wise.

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic

Above should constitute at least 70% of your portfolio for high dividend income as their pay out ratio is the highest in NSE.


Note:- From my 18 years experience in Nairobi bourse (since 2004), capital gains is
DEAD or a WILD CHASE . Dividend income is it

Note:- I don't invest in BAT for ethical reasons but the other BIG 4 constitutes 80% of my portfolio (SCBK,NCBA,ABSA,STANBIC)
.
Be aware FY 22 COOP will return a dividend
of 1,30 to 1.50 due to improved performance (Fy 21 ksh1.00)

Asante Sana

Thank you.

I think DTB has a better chance of growth in share price than KCB. I do not trust KCB's financials and I hope Russo does a clean-up of the loan book.

I see a path for I&M to grow and I cannot see the same runway for Coop. Its mainstay are SACCOs but what happens when members (of SACCOs) need their money back? I&M never skimped on a dividend even during COVID.

I have Stanbic and Equity but the latter will grow faster thanks to DRC, TZ, UG, etc over the next 5 years. I am looking ahead.

I have ALL of the below Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly but I am working on picking just 3 and trim the rest. SCBK has a great DY but ABSA I believe will grow its EPS and DPS faster.

Stanbic is now a pure dividend play since SAHL has stopped buying. I might sell NCBA and buy something else eg ABSA or Equity.

I love BAT. I do not encourage smoking but if you do, please use BAT products. smile

1. BAT
2 SCBK
3. NCBA
4 ABSA
5 Stanbic



Coop bank has never reduced it's dividend per share or even skipped.I&M management said they don't foresee a dividend payout of more than 30%,that is negative news and red flag.
Coop bank also has also been diversifying away from saccos.They financed Centum for Two Rivers project,lead financiers for Thika Road Mall,formed part of the syndicate lending for Kenya Pipeline project.
I&M they have lost the shine they used to have,there was a time they were position 4 in profitability,now relegated to position 7/8.
In my opinion I see better days for coop bank compared to I&M.

For DTB,I wish you the best,I don't foresee any change.They have never been generous with dividend so I see no change.
Their lending policy is also very fishy,where the share price was before was just a bubble waiting to burst.

I do not follow Coop but that's good to know some banks have been consistent dividend payers!
Equity dunga'd shareholders for 2 straight years.

On Coop vs I&M... I am #TeamI&M and I see their regional expansion will pay off better than Coop in the long run.

When was I&M #4 in PAT?

DTB needs a push. I do not expect a huge dividend but better than 3/- for FY2022. A minimum of 4/- but I think 5/-


I&M was position 4 in FY2019
Profit before tax ksh.14.6bn and PAT 10.8bn
I assume KCB, Equity and Coop were definitely ahead.

What about SCBK, NCBA and ABSA in FY19?

SCBK Ksh.12.2bn
NCBA Ksh.11.3bn
ABSA Ksh.12.3bn
There seems to be something else going on.

Perhaps the likes of ABSA & SCBK had taken large provisions that were reversed in later years. They have always been more conservative about provisioning.

DTB is an example of a bank that didn't NPL & provision adequately a few years ago and then had to in large chunks. Look at 4Q2020 and 4Q2021.

Anyway, I am comfier with I&M vs Coop for longer term EPS and Dividend growth.


And that has been the highest Profit for I&M,2021 when most banks had a good run that exceeded 2019 profit levels,I&M profit were lower than in 2019.

I&M is heavily reliant on the Indian business community ties for local and regional growth which is the weakest link.

Or strongest link.

I would argue the SACCOs are simultaneously the strongest and weakest links for Coop Bank.

Apart from SS - which is a mess - has it expanded anywhere else regionally?
Is there any runway left for expansion in Kenya?

FY20 & FY21 were affected by COVID so understandable that results were subdued. I&M isn't huge into personal/fuliza/shylocking loans but lend mostly to SMEs/businesses. I agree they can do better.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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