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#31 Posted : Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:26:17 AM
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@Mwafrika31.... They are like hurricanes ... when they come, they're wild and wet. But when they go, they take your house and car with them.
real cindano
#32 Posted : Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:27:25 PM
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The Real Shaft wrote:
mfrika*,

so you want us to do what...???

marry pigs...???


From the men ........
And women we have on the streets ......
That some people have married .....
Pigs, cows and snakes .......
From appearance and character ............
Just choose a good one...........
Ric dees
#33 Posted : Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:31:26 PM
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I tend to agree with Mwafrika31 on this (kicking myself in the foot) but let me try and advance his thought process away from the emotional regression angle which seems to be his underlying theme.

Classic break-ups are a result of many things, bad sex, bad credit,emotional bankruptcy or woe unto you all the above.So which category is synonymous with Kenyan women??? I will not speak about the US but here, i have seen many successful marriages in fact all my friends (albeit a small no) are in successful careers and marriages both white and black, So i cannot comment on the examples Mwafrika gave as i have not seen/experienced them here (maybe it's coz of the type of people i choose to associate myself with).

That said are majority of Kenyan women inane or what? like it was mentioned, the pressures of TV,Internet are a big factor as much as how impractical it maybe i think the pressure to conform, to outdo your neighbor is vogue!! so what really happened to the MTV generation??i don't have the answers but what i know is i cannot dare touch them even with a disinfected barge pole.

Unfortunately many Kenyan women don't give a rodents posterior about anything else other than their satisfaction and i am beginning to to think it's some sort of complex or even maybe fetish to behave/act like some do. I draw parallels with my experience i had when i was dating and my word, from the utter rudeness towards people in customer service, fake class to being priggish prudes and most of them are just damn ass ego-trips.

@Wendz i read somewhere women are the salt of the earth and we have some fab ladies in society, i was lucky to meet one but the odds are heavily against them, however ladies it takes you nowhere being narcissistic and believe me good women finish first.

Food for thought "Time is a good healer but a lousy beautician"

The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
suwan
#34 Posted : Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:43:36 PM
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Quote:
villages in kimwarer and Enangiperi then things will be alot worse..

@ Wendz..where are those evillages?
suwan
#35 Posted : Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:44:41 PM
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villages in kimwarer and Enangiperi then things will be alot worse..


@ Wendz where are those villages?
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cmk
#36 Posted : Wednesday, July 14, 2010 3:55:00 PM
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@wendz..u've spoken like 3 men of miracle..
Every man is guilty of all the good he didn't do-
Voltaire
Mwafrika31
#37 Posted : Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:26:49 PM
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Wendz wrote:
Mwafrika31 wrote:
@ wendz
Since you are not trying to finish me like akina mukiha & aemathenge I'll be as reasonable as possible.
Yours is a very logical argument that thoroughly appears to make sense. However, life is stranger than fiction. Kenya is in a steep moral decline as the harvest of hell starts, the result of all that garbage on tv & internet. This wickedness is aggravated by the social class system. That makes the well off treat the less well-off, like dirt. All this to say that there is no restraint in the search for money. Everyone's trying to get the chance to look down on others.

The incidents I describe are the norm here. I have so many others I could give. Many young men import the females because it is next to impossible to marry a Kenyan lady here. Majority of these ladies remain single for life. This is because they 'panda ngazi' when they get here & forget their mother tongue & develop great haughtiness & a disdainful arrogance so deep, that they never associate with other Kenyans. Because in Kenya if you move up the economic ladder, you get to despise anyone lower. So the men import. But once the imports arrive, their spirit seems to change drastically & a mean streak emerges. This only happens to the women.

The situation is one of deep hatred between the sexes here. Its sad but true. The latest scandal is one where a church couple split when the woman kicked the man out (its possible here), after he lost his office job. I personally know of only one successful import/marriage & the lady was from western.




@Mwafrika31

I think I am getting to understand you now. Am I correct to say that your audience was more of the guys in the diaspora than those in Kenya? Well, what you state is very true and we cant hide under the sand that things have not changed. If you ask majority of the guys in towns, nairobi especially, and who have been brought up upcountry, they would rather engage with a lady from 'upcountry' even if working in nairobi than those born in nairobi... well, i know this may rub people the wrong way but its a perception that we have that those born in towns are more 'liberal' hence harder to settle with - whether that is true or not is something i can not state but i do understand where you are coming from. women liberalisation started in those countries and then arrived first in our cities etc. Problem is, some equate being liberal to being rude and disrespectful.

But trust me, you can find a fine kenyan gal.... come back home and dont import her..... she might also become 'liberalised' too.... Ask @Mukiha - he wouldnt trade his kenyan lady for anything.

May be those who are marrying now are lucky... in some 30 years to come when liberisation hits some villages in kimwarer and Enangiperi then things will be alot worse..


[/quote]

@ wendz
My audience was anyone looking to settle. I wanted to make the point that class stratification + mental colonization are destroying the family unit. The pressures to have lives like those portrayed on tv put men on the defensive since they cannot provide the millionaire lifestyle. No one wants to be poor, but Kenya is an indigent & idiotically run country, so most people will never become well to do. This treachery in relationships, for me, has to do with a crisis of expectations that young people brought up on American movies have.

This crisis will lead to a revolution if a coherent agitator appears on the political landscape & takes advantage. While we await that, the crisis will manifest in materialism, social prostitution, rampant crime. A similar situation existed in late 40's Ghana. It led to the collapse of the thuggish British colonial dictatorship.

When I was in Kenya last, many people had American accents than me! That crap on tv displays a life that Americans don't even have. As for telenovelas, Mexico is poorer than Kenya. Mexicans are very despised here and coz they're illiterate, they do the dirty jobs.
Mwafrika31
#38 Posted : Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:09:47 PM
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The Real Shaft wrote:
mfrika*,

so you want us to do what...???

marry pigs...???


@ the real daft

Your emotional outburst exposes a cave-neanderthal mentality of the mentally colonized kind, which is surprising even for a guy who works at a butchery in Kayole.
mukhamba!
#39 Posted : Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:17:19 PM
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Mwafrika, umeanza matusi tena? He didn't even say anything to abuse you and you're already calling him a butcher??! Aii seriously.
Mwafrika31
#40 Posted : Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:21:21 PM
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Joined: 6/18/2010
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Ric dees wrote:

I tend to agree with Mwafrika31 on this (kicking myself in the foot) but let me try and advance his thought process away from the emotional regression angle which seems to be his underlying theme.

Classic break-ups are a result of many things, bad sex, bad credit,emotional bankruptcy or woe unto you all the above.So which category is synonymous with Kenyan women??? I will not speak about the US but here, i have seen many successful marriages in fact all my friends (albeit a small no) are in successful careers and marriages both white and black, So i cannot comment on the examples Mwafrika gave as i have not seen/experienced them here (maybe it's coz of the type of people i choose to associate myself with).

That said are majority of Kenyan women inane or what? like it was mentioned, the pressures of TV,Internet are a big factor as much as how impractical it maybe i think the pressure to conform, to outdo your neighbor is vogue!! so what really happened to the MTV generation??i don't have the answers but what i know is i cannot dare touch them even with a disinfected barge pole.

Unfortunately many Kenyan women don't give a rodents posterior about anything else other than their satisfaction and i am beginning to to think it's some sort of complex or even maybe fetish to behave/act like some do. I draw parallels with my experience i had when i was dating and my word, from the utter rudeness towards people in customer service, fake class to being priggish prudes and most of them are just damn ass ego-trips.

@Wendz i read somewhere women are the salt of the earth and we have some fab ladies in society, i was lucky to meet one but the odds are heavily against them, however ladies it takes you nowhere being narcissistic and believe me good women finish first.

Food for thought "Time is a good healer but a lousy beautician"


@ Ric Dees
I think you owe me an apology. How can you come into my house & throw dust into my eyes? I see that you're still bitter & resentful about the other thread, you should be thanking me coz I lovingly corrected you from your misguided line of thought. But like they say, asante ya punda.....
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