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KenyaRe FY19 - FY23 (Both Inclusive)
My 2 cents
#741 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2022 8:05:13 PM
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This monkey company!
So much cash and liquid assets and absolutely no imagination on how to leverage this to increase value. They should have bought the Coke building for instance, that was such a fantastic deal for Jubilee. They should at least increase their exposure to cheap blue chip equities.
Instead they are all in cash and government securities.
And they have been bleeding market share for a couple of years now.
Last I checked it was down to 16% (even with the mandatory 20% mandate that Kenyan insurers get re-insured by them). Meanwhile in their non-Kenyan markets several countries establishing local re-insurers that will take even more of their business.
This is a great candidate for government divesture. Should come down from the current 60% to say 30%. Then it stands a chance. Otherwise it will remain a rich monkey whose true value will forever remain unlocked.
Ericsson
#742 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2022 11:27:46 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
My 2 cents wrote:
This monkey company!
So much cash and liquid assets and absolutely no imagination on how to leverage this to increase value. They should have bought the Coke building for instance, that was such a fantastic deal for Jubilee. They should at least increase their exposure to cheap blue chip equities.
Instead they are all in cash and government securities.
And they have been bleeding market share for a couple of years now.
Last I checked it was down to 16% (even with the mandatory 20% mandate that Kenyan insurers get re-insured by them). Meanwhile in their non-Kenyan markets several countries establishing local re-insurers that will take even more of their business.
This is a great candidate for government divesture. Should come down from the current 60% to say 30%. Then it stands a chance. Otherwise it will remain a rich monkey whose true value will forever remain unlocked.


Kenya Re has land in Upper hill where they intend to put up a building worth nearly ksh.4bn so buying the coca cola building wouldn't have made sense.
Construction has been put on hold till real estate recovers
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
My 2 cents
#743 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2022 7:15:36 AM
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Joined: 6/2/2010
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My 2 cents
#744 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2022 7:16:37 AM
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Joined: 6/2/2010
Posts: 1,089
Ericsson wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
This monkey company!
So much cash and liquid assets and absolutely no imagination on how to leverage this to increase value. They should have bought the Coke building for instance, that was such a fantastic deal for Jubilee. They should at least increase their exposure to cheap blue chip equities.
Instead they are all in cash and government securities.
And they have been bleeding market share for a couple of years now.
Last I checked it was down to 16% (even with the mandatory 20% mandate that Kenyan insurers get re-insured by them). Meanwhile in their non-Kenyan markets several countries establishing local re-insurers that will take even more of their business.
This is a great candidate for government divesture. Should come down from the current 60% to say 30%. Then it stands a chance. Otherwise it will remain a rich monkey whose true value will forever remain unlocked.


Kenya Re has land in Upper hill where they intend to put up a building worth nearly ksh.4bn so buying the coca cola building wouldn't have made sense.
Construction has been put on hold till real estate recovers


That would be a bad bad move.
VituVingiSana
#745 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2022 8:38:42 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
My 2 cents wrote:
This monkey company!
So much cash and liquid assets and absolutely no imagination on how to leverage this to increase value. They should have bought the Coke building for instance, that was such a fantastic deal for Jubilee. They should at least increase their exposure to cheap blue chip equities.
Instead they are all in cash and government securities.
And they have been bleeding market share for a couple of years now.
Last I checked it was down to 16% (even with the mandatory 20% mandate that Kenyan insurers get re-insured by them). Meanwhile in their non-Kenyan markets several countries establishing local re-insurers that will take even more of their business.
This is a great candidate for government divesture. Should come down from the current 60% to say 30%. Then it stands a chance. Otherwise it will remain a rich monkey whose true value will forever remain unlocked.

1) Needs GoK to reduce its stake below a strategic investor eg Safaricom as an example

2) Fire most of the board and management

3) Stop writing poor business. I feel there is something shady about the brokers they use. Very high commissions and loss-making business.

4) Stop any plans to add more real estate esp by building another office building. This will be riddled with corruption. Yields are low given the empty office/commercial space in Upper Hill. Perhaps residential but not if KenyaRe is running the show. At best a JV with a solid developer.

5) Buy cheap stocks. SCBK, ABSA, BAT etc have dividend yields of 9%+ with potential growth vs 8% or lower real estate yields.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#746 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2022 10:41:55 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
This monkey company!
So much cash and liquid assets and absolutely no imagination on how to leverage this to increase value. They should have bought the Coke building for instance, that was such a fantastic deal for Jubilee. They should at least increase their exposure to cheap blue chip equities.
Instead they are all in cash and government securities.
And they have been bleeding market share for a couple of years now.
Last I checked it was down to 16% (even with the mandatory 20% mandate that Kenyan insurers get re-insured by them). Meanwhile in their non-Kenyan markets several countries establishing local re-insurers that will take even more of their business.
This is a great candidate for government divesture. Should come down from the current 60% to say 30%. Then it stands a chance. Otherwise it will remain a rich monkey whose true value will forever remain unlocked.

1) Needs GoK to reduce its stake below a strategic investor eg Safaricom as an example

2) Fire most of the board and management

3) Stop writing poor business. I feel there is something shady about the brokers they use. Very high commissions and loss-making business.

4) Stop any plans to add more real estate esp by building another office building. This will be riddled with corruption. Yields are low given the empty office/commercial space in Upper Hill. Perhaps residential but not if KenyaRe is running the show. At best a JV with a solid developer.
The land they can build real estate has disputes in court e.g
-Kiambu road with Kenyatta kin
-Ngong road with Kenya Forest service
-Shanzu land with Kenya Prisons
JV will even be riddled with greater corruption than them going solo.
As for the Upper Hill they can commence construction once Anniversary towers and Kenya Re Towers attain full occupancy.

5) Buy cheap stocks. SCBK, ABSA, BAT etc have dividend yields of 9%+ with potential growth vs 8% or lower real estate yields.

True here the current management has closed their ears and eyes in making such moves.Their portfolio in stocks should be 10% of their assets.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#747 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2022 10:44:33 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
My 2 cents wrote:
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/corporate/companies/kenya-re-invests-sh712-million-in-zep-re-subsidiary-3775064


Kenya Re has invested a total of Sh712.8 million in Zep-Re and another unnamed subsidiary in the year ended December, raising its interest in the businesses.
The Nairobi Securities Exchange -listed firm invested Sh503.4 million in Zep-Re, raising its stake in the associate to 20.38 percent from the previous 19.15 percent.

Kenya Re booked a profit of ksh.400mn as share of associate profit in FY2021.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#748 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2022 10:46:51 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
My 2 cents wrote:
This monkey company!
So much cash and liquid assets and absolutely no imagination on how to leverage this to increase value. They should have bought the Coke building for instance, that was such a fantastic deal for Jubilee. They should at least increase their exposure to cheap blue chip equities.
Instead they are all in cash and government securities.
And they have been bleeding market share for a couple of years now.
Last I checked it was down to 16% (even with the mandatory 20% mandate that Kenyan insurers get re-insured by them). Meanwhile in their non-Kenyan markets several countries establishing local re-insurers that will take even more of their business.
This is a great candidate for government divesture. Should come down from the current 60% to say 30%. Then it stands a chance. Otherwise it will remain a rich monkey whose true value will forever remain unlocked.



They should also think of making acquisitions with the huge cash pile they have.
An acquisition can also be having a significant stake in an insurer.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#749 Posted : Saturday, April 09, 2022 12:44:14 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
This monkey company!
So much cash and liquid assets and absolutely no imagination on how to leverage this to increase value. They should have bought the Coke building for instance, that was such a fantastic deal for Jubilee. They should at least increase their exposure to cheap blue chip equities.
Instead they are all in cash and government securities.
And they have been bleeding market share for a couple of years now.
Last I checked it was down to 16% (even with the mandatory 20% mandate that Kenyan insurers get re-insured by them). Meanwhile in their non-Kenyan markets several countries establishing local re-insurers that will take even more of their business.
This is a great candidate for government divesture. Should come down from the current 60% to say 30%. Then it stands a chance. Otherwise it will remain a rich monkey whose true value will forever remain unlocked.

1) Needs GoK to reduce its stake below a strategic investor eg Safaricom as an example

2) Fire most of the board and management

3) Stop writing poor business. I feel there is something shady about the brokers they use. Very high commissions and loss-making business.

4) Stop any plans to add more real estate esp by building another office building. This will be riddled with corruption. Yields are low given the empty office/commercial space in Upper Hill. Perhaps residential but not if KenyaRe is running the show. At best a JV with a solid developer.
The land they can build real estate has disputes in court e.g
-Kiambu road with Kenyatta kin
-Ngong road with Kenya Forest service
-Shanzu land with Kenya Prisons
JV will even be riddled with greater corruption than them going solo.
As for the Upper Hill they can commence construction once Anniversary towers and Kenya Re Towers attain full occupancy.

Wacha stories. I was addressing the UH property when I said they should consider residential (not office space but mixed use with an emphasis on residential). No-one suggested they build anything on disputed land.

On the JV, what part of "with a solid developer" didn't you understand? Not HAFR, Suraya, Cytonn, etc but those who have shown they can deliver projects on time eg Centum.

Going solo, watakula pesa. No accountability.
No, they don't have to build offices in UH even if their other buildings reach full occupancy. Invest in other opportunities. The sort folks of Jubilee chose to buy "below cost".


5) Buy cheap stocks. SCBK, ABSA, BAT etc have dividend yields of 9%+ with potential growth vs 8% or lower real estate yields.

True here the current management has closed their ears and eyes in making such moves.Their portfolio in stocks should be 10% of their assets.

Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#750 Posted : Saturday, April 09, 2022 5:30:16 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
This monkey company!
So much cash and liquid assets and absolutely no imagination on how to leverage this to increase value. They should have bought the Coke building for instance, that was such a fantastic deal for Jubilee. They should at least increase their exposure to cheap blue chip equities.
Instead they are all in cash and government securities.
And they have been bleeding market share for a couple of years now.
Last I checked it was down to 16% (even with the mandatory 20% mandate that Kenyan insurers get re-insured by them). Meanwhile in their non-Kenyan markets several countries establishing local re-insurers that will take even more of their business.
This is a great candidate for government divesture. Should come down from the current 60% to say 30%. Then it stands a chance. Otherwise it will remain a rich monkey whose true value will forever remain unlocked.

1) Needs GoK to reduce its stake below a strategic investor eg Safaricom as an example

2) Fire most of the board and management

3) Stop writing poor business. I feel there is something shady about the brokers they use. Very high commissions and loss-making business.

4) Stop any plans to add more real estate esp by building another office building. This will be riddled with corruption. Yields are low given the empty office/commercial space in Upper Hill. Perhaps residential but not if KenyaRe is running the show. At best a JV with a solid developer.
The land they can build real estate has disputes in court e.g
-Kiambu road with Kenyatta kin
-Ngong road with Kenya Forest service
-Shanzu land with Kenya Prisons
JV will even be riddled with greater corruption than them going solo.
As for the Upper Hill they can commence construction once Anniversary towers and Kenya Re Towers attain full occupancy.

Wacha stories. I was addressing the UH property when I said they should consider residential (not office space but mixed use with an emphasis on residential). No-one suggested they build anything on disputed land.

The location where their Upper Hill land is has been zoned as commercial and they had already submitted the design plans to all the regulatory authorities and approved.
Changing now to residential will be another long process and be rejected in the end.
Wajenge the twin towers 21 floors commercial building and move their headquarters there.Reinsurance Plaza in CBD they lease it all.


On the JV, what part of "with a solid developer" didn't you understand? Not HAFR, Suraya, Cytonn, etc but those who have shown they can deliver projects on time eg Centum.
Delivery on time does not mean there will be no corruption,the agreement will be drawn to the disadvantage of Kenya Re in terms of revenue share.
Kenya Re doesn't lack the resources to go solo for them to consider JV.


Going solo, watakula pesa. No accountability.
No, they don't have to build offices in UH even if their other buildings reach full occupancy. Invest in other opportunities. The sort folks of Jubilee chose to buy "below cost".



5) Buy cheap stocks. SCBK, ABSA, BAT etc have dividend yields of 9%+ with potential growth vs 8% or lower real estate yields.

True here the current management has closed their ears and eyes in making such moves.Their portfolio in stocks should be 10% of their assets.


Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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