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Cargo ops in DRC will not be on the Embraer, but on the 737 freighter. And, the rights are between South Africa and DRC.
Embraers have been wet leased to boost Congo air Capacity. The two 5YFFL/FFM are the ones Sebastian brought in to replace the damaged ones.
This should help reduce monthly maintenance bill for idle planes.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Zichi wrote:Cargo ops in DRC will not be on the Embraer, but on the 737 freighter. And, the rights are between South Africa and DRC.
Embraers have been wet leased to boost Congo air Capacity. The two 5YFFL/FFM are the ones Sebastian brought in to replace the damaged ones.
This should help reduce monthly maintenance bill for idle planes. Well noted... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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Zichi wrote:Cargo ops in DRC will not be on the Embraer, but on the 737 freighter. And, the rights are between South Africa and DRC.
Embraers have been wet leased to boost Congo air Capacity. The two 5YFFL/FFM are the ones Sebastian brought in to replace the damaged ones.
This should help reduce monthly maintenance bill for idle planes. It is possible for KQ to utilise the two planes instead of sending them to DRC. There are routes which need to be reactivated but the commercial and the overall management is totally not capable. We are in a post-Covid environment where things are picking up, the world is now starting to live with Covid. UK just removed Kenya from the red list. What are the implications? You need to build the connecting passengers by opening the routes in Africa in order for the routes to Europe to be viable. There is either something wrong with the Management in terms of their capability skills to run an Airline or they are serving partisan interests. Look at what the other Airlines are doing right now and they are all in a cash strapped status but they are ramping up operations. ET fleet are all being flown. Their aircraft utilisation rates is just mind boggling. They have reactivated 99.9% of their fleet except a few Q400. The management knows exactly what need to be done - utilise planes - build connecting traffic via Addis.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,516 Location: nairobi
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Consolidation is happening even in the banking industry but when airlines embark on the same strategy we draw the line?
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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obiero wrote:Consolidation is happening even in the banking industry but when airlines embark on the same strategy we draw the line? Like Dubai bank and imperial bank consolidating? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Swenani wrote:obiero wrote:Consolidation is happening even in the banking industry but when airlines embark on the same strategy we draw the line? Like Dubai bank and imperial bank consolidating? Shida...  possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:Swenani wrote:obiero wrote:Consolidation is happening even in the banking industry but when airlines embark on the same strategy we draw the line? Like Dubai bank and imperial bank consolidating? Shida... Public relations stunts by the CEO. If he was serious enough, we should have seen him adding KQ flights out of JNB to take advantage of SAA's predicament i.e. when they ceased operations in 2020. He did nothing at all only to emerge and sign some imaginary things like pan african airline. Ethiopian is already a pan african airline.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,516 Location: nairobi
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Swenani wrote:obiero wrote:Consolidation is happening even in the banking industry but when airlines embark on the same strategy we draw the line? Like Dubai bank and imperial bank consolidating? Yes. Small is bad. That's why Chase was bought by SBM. NBK was bought by KCB. JBB bought by COOP
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,516 Location: nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:Swenani wrote:obiero wrote:Consolidation is happening even in the banking industry but when airlines embark on the same strategy we draw the line? Like Dubai bank and imperial bank consolidating? Shida... Public relations stunts by the CEO. If he was serious enough, we should have seen him adding KQ flights out of JNB to take advantage of SAA's predicament i.e. when they ceased operations in 2020. He did nothing at all only to emerge and sign some imaginary things like pan african airline. Ethiopian is already a pan african airline. Imagine KQ, SAA and FlyET as one large carrier
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:Swenani wrote:obiero wrote:Consolidation is happening even in the banking industry but when airlines embark on the same strategy we draw the line? Like Dubai bank and imperial bank consolidating? Shida... Public relations stunts by the CEO. If he was serious enough, we should have seen him adding KQ flights out of JNB to take advantage of SAA's predicament i.e. when they ceased operations in 2020. He did nothing at all only to emerge and sign some imaginary things like pan african airline. Ethiopian is already a pan african airline. Imagine KQ, SAA and FlyET as one large carrier Imagine, men washing the dishes Women gone to work Then your wife come home drunk on payday Beat you up, she a making joke Imagine, women organising Beauty contest for we And a some hard fool fellas like me Walking 'cross the stage in a bikini, imagine... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,516 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:Swenani wrote:obiero wrote:Consolidation is happening even in the banking industry but when airlines embark on the same strategy we draw the line? Like Dubai bank and imperial bank consolidating? Shida... Public relations stunts by the CEO. If he was serious enough, we should have seen him adding KQ flights out of JNB to take advantage of SAA's predicament i.e. when they ceased operations in 2020. He did nothing at all only to emerge and sign some imaginary things like pan african airline. Ethiopian is already a pan african airline. Imagine KQ, SAA and FlyET as one large carrier Imagine, men washing the dishes Women gone to work Then your wife come home drunk on payday Beat you up, she a making joke Imagine, women organising Beauty contest for we And a some hard fool fellas like me Walking 'cross the stage in a bikini, imagine... Imagine https://www.businessdail...nal-airline-2023-3630180
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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My position remains that instead of signing pacts with insolvent SAA, GOK should lobby other EAC countries to form a public regional airline. sparkly wrote:East African Community members need to rethink their aviation sectors or thier dreams of connecting the world and national pride will remain unachievable.
EAC has a fleet size of 60 planes flying to 89 destinations (Kenya 40-53; Rwandaair 12-23; Tanzania 8-13) Uganda, Burundi, South Sudan do not have national carriers. EAC stats are dwarfed regionally by Ethiopian Airlines which has a fleet of 112 flying 125 passenger and 40 cargo destinations.
Compared to international Middle Eastern "competitors" flying regionally like Emirates (258 planes, 158 destinations) and Turkish (336 planes, 304 destinations) EAC carriers are really puny.
Debt ladden EAC carriers (where they exist) are playing in the village league under delusion that they are competing with international counterparts. Only collaborative effort will lead to meaningful impact in the sector. EAC member countries should dissolve their airlines and form an East African Airline (Call it Safari Airlines). Countries without their own airlines like Uganda and Burundi should invest in the new East African Airline.
A collaborative East African Airline will have monopoly in East & Central Africa, challenge the regional giants based on bigger capital base and economies of scale.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:My position remains that instead of signing pacts with insolvent SAA, GOK should lobby other EAC countries to form a public regional airline. sparkly wrote:East African Community members need to rethink their aviation sectors or thier dreams of connecting the world and national pride will remain unachievable.
EAC has a fleet size of 60 planes flying to 89 destinations (Kenya 40-53; Rwandaair 12-23; Tanzania 8-13) Uganda, Burundi, South Sudan do not have national carriers. EAC stats are dwarfed regionally by Ethiopian Airlines which has a fleet of 112 flying 125 passenger and 40 cargo destinations.
Compared to international Middle Eastern "competitors" flying regionally like Emirates (258 planes, 158 destinations) and Turkish (336 planes, 304 destinations) EAC carriers are really puny.
Debt ladden EAC carriers (where they exist) are playing in the village league under delusion that they are competing with international counterparts. Only collaborative effort will lead to meaningful impact in the sector. EAC member countries should dissolve their airlines and form an East African Airline (Call it Safari Airlines). Countries without their own airlines like Uganda and Burundi should invest in the new East African Airline.
A collaborative East African Airline will have monopoly in East & Central Africa, challenge the regional giants based on bigger capital base and economies of scale.
I am with you on this.... possunt quia posse videntur
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CMA bars ailing companies from share buybacks“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,516 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:sparkly wrote:My position remains that instead of signing pacts with insolvent SAA, GOK should lobby other EAC countries to form a public regional airline. sparkly wrote:East African Community members need to rethink their aviation sectors or thier dreams of connecting the world and national pride will remain unachievable.
EAC has a fleet size of 60 planes flying to 89 destinations (Kenya 40-53; Rwandaair 12-23; Tanzania 8-13) Uganda, Burundi, South Sudan do not have national carriers. EAC stats are dwarfed regionally by Ethiopian Airlines which has a fleet of 112 flying 125 passenger and 40 cargo destinations.
Compared to international Middle Eastern "competitors" flying regionally like Emirates (258 planes, 158 destinations) and Turkish (336 planes, 304 destinations) EAC carriers are really puny.
Debt ladden EAC carriers (where they exist) are playing in the village league under delusion that they are competing with international counterparts. Only collaborative effort will lead to meaningful impact in the sector. EAC member countries should dissolve their airlines and form an East African Airline (Call it Safari Airlines). Countries without their own airlines like Uganda and Burundi should invest in the new East African Airline.
A collaborative East African Airline will have monopoly in East & Central Africa, challenge the regional giants based on bigger capital base and economies of scale.
I am with you on this.... A threesome
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:maka wrote:sparkly wrote:My position remains that instead of signing pacts with insolvent SAA, GOK should lobby other EAC countries to form a public regional airline. sparkly wrote:East African Community members need to rethink their aviation sectors or thier dreams of connecting the world and national pride will remain unachievable.
EAC has a fleet size of 60 planes flying to 89 destinations (Kenya 40-53; Rwandaair 12-23; Tanzania 8-13) Uganda, Burundi, South Sudan do not have national carriers. EAC stats are dwarfed regionally by Ethiopian Airlines which has a fleet of 112 flying 125 passenger and 40 cargo destinations.
Compared to international Middle Eastern "competitors" flying regionally like Emirates (258 planes, 158 destinations) and Turkish (336 planes, 304 destinations) EAC carriers are really puny.
Debt ladden EAC carriers (where they exist) are playing in the village league under delusion that they are competing with international counterparts. Only collaborative effort will lead to meaningful impact in the sector. EAC member countries should dissolve their airlines and form an East African Airline (Call it Safari Airlines). Countries without their own airlines like Uganda and Burundi should invest in the new East African Airline.
A collaborative East African Airline will have monopoly in East & Central Africa, challenge the regional giants based on bigger capital base and economies of scale.
I am with you on this.... A threesome Smh...  possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:My position remains that instead of signing pacts with insolvent SAA, GOK should lobby other EAC countries to form a public regional airline. sparkly wrote:East African Community members need to rethink their aviation sectors or thier dreams of connecting the world and national pride will remain unachievable.
EAC has a fleet size of 60 planes flying to 89 destinations (Kenya 40-53; Rwandaair 12-23; Tanzania 8-13) Uganda, Burundi, South Sudan do not have national carriers. EAC stats are dwarfed regionally by Ethiopian Airlines which has a fleet of 112 flying 125 passenger and 40 cargo destinations.
Compared to international Middle Eastern "competitors" flying regionally like Emirates (258 planes, 158 destinations) and Turkish (336 planes, 304 destinations) EAC carriers are really puny.
Debt ladden EAC carriers (where they exist) are playing in the village league under delusion that they are competing with international counterparts. Only collaborative effort will lead to meaningful impact in the sector. EAC member countries should dissolve their airlines and form an East African Airline (Call it Safari Airlines). Countries without their own airlines like Uganda and Burundi should invest in the new East African Airline.
A collaborative East African Airline will have monopoly in East & Central Africa, challenge the regional giants based on bigger capital base and economies of scale.
Egos. Everyone wants their own airline. TZ and UG have refused to learn from KQ. The smart ones are RW who roped in Qatar as the Sugar Daddy who is also financing the new airport. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/16/2019 Posts: 313
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VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:My position remains that instead of signing pacts with insolvent SAA, GOK should lobby other EAC countries to form a public regional airline. sparkly wrote:East African Community members need to rethink their aviation sectors or thier dreams of connecting the world and national pride will remain unachievable.
EAC has a fleet size of 60 planes flying to 89 destinations (Kenya 40-53; Rwandaair 12-23; Tanzania 8-13) Uganda, Burundi, South Sudan do not have national carriers. EAC stats are dwarfed regionally by Ethiopian Airlines which has a fleet of 112 flying 125 passenger and 40 cargo destinations.
Compared to international Middle Eastern "competitors" flying regionally like Emirates (258 planes, 158 destinations) and Turkish (336 planes, 304 destinations) EAC carriers are really puny.
Debt ladden EAC carriers (where they exist) are playing in the village league under delusion that they are competing with international counterparts. Only collaborative effort will lead to meaningful impact in the sector. EAC member countries should dissolve their airlines and form an East African Airline (Call it Safari Airlines). Countries without their own airlines like Uganda and Burundi should invest in the new East African Airline.
A collaborative East African Airline will have monopoly in East & Central Africa, challenge the regional giants based on bigger capital base and economies of scale.
Egos. Everyone wants their own airline. TZ and UG have refused to learn from KQ. The smart ones are RW who roped in Qatar as the Sugar Daddy who is also financing the new airport. Yes RwandaAir seems to have learnt after making losses year after year and having a high CEO turnover rate.
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