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Is the NSE Dead??
Jon Jones
#1 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2021 6:58:28 AM
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Location: Thika
Nowadays, most money in Kenya is in Private Equity. Companies are choosing to stay unlisted and sourcing for funds from private investors.

Usually, private companies only list when they want to offload shells on wananchi. The real quality small and medium companies are avoiding the stock exchange at all costs.

The era of quality companies on the NSE is coming to an end. In the last 10 years, very few quality companies have listed. Since 2010-11, most of the companies that have listed were shells being sold to the common man.

For wazuans, you guys might need to look for investment opportunities elsewhere because decent investable companies are no longer listing.

It was by sheer luck that Nakumatt wasn't offloaded to wananchi on time.
Since men have learned to shoot without missing, I have learned to fly without perching
subaru
#2 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2021 10:14:05 AM
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some were indeed shells and we have paid heavily for that so do you have any opportunities elsewhere we can jump to
Ericsson
#3 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2021 10:33:59 AM
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Location: NAIROBI
Jon Jones wrote:
Nowadays, most money in Kenya is in Private Equity. Companies are choosing to stay unlisted and sourcing for funds from private investors.

Usually, private companies only list when they want to offload shells on wananchi. The real quality small and medium companies are avoiding the stock exchange at all costs.

The era of quality companies on the NSE is coming to an end. In the last 10 years, very few quality companies have listed. Since 2010-11, most of the companies that have listed were shells being sold to the common man.

For wazuans, you guys might need to look for investment opportunities elsewhere because decent investable companies are no longer listing.

It was by sheer luck that Nakumatt wasn't offloaded to wananchi on time.



Fix the economy, everything else will follow.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Jon Jones
#4 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2021 7:47:12 PM
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Location: Thika
subaru wrote:
some were indeed shells and we have paid heavily for that so do you have any opportunities elsewhere we can jump to

In the last 5 years, private equity deals in Kenya have totaled $1.5 billion.
Link: https://www.standardmedi...on-private-equity-deals

Kenya ranks third in Private Equity in Africa after South Africa and Nigeria. Decent local companies such as Java, Quickmart etc chose the private equity route instead of listing. Only garbage lands in the NSE.

For more opportunities, you will have to look internationally, look into other asset classes e.g crypto, local businesses ie partnerships etc.
Since men have learned to shoot without missing, I have learned to fly without perching
Jon Jones
#5 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2021 7:51:59 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Jon Jones wrote:
Nowadays, most money in Kenya is in Private Equity. Companies are choosing to stay unlisted and sourcing for funds from private investors.

Usually, private companies only list when they want to offload shells on wananchi. The real quality small and medium companies are avoiding the stock exchange at all costs.

The era of quality companies on the NSE is coming to an end. In the last 10 years, very few quality companies have listed. Since 2010-11, most of the companies that have listed were shells being sold to the common man.

For wazuans, you guys might need to look for investment opportunities elsewhere because decent investable companies are no longer listing.

It was by sheer luck that Nakumatt wasn't offloaded to wananchi on time.



Fix the economy, everything else will follow.

Easier said than done. As an investor (not politician), you have no say. You can only vote with your feet ie seeking opportunities elsewhere.

I have been a wazuan for almost 10 years, some as a guest. There is a strong correlation between traffic to this website with how well the local stock market is doing. The smart investors became inactive because opportunities disappeared. We have been in a protracted drawdown since 1st January 2007 when the market hit 5774 points. Today we are at 1911 points 14 years later with no end in sight. It has been hard to make any money in the NSE for the last 7 years. A 67% drawdown. Some people have made money, but generally, the average investor has been underwater for 14 years.

Today the NSE 20 share index is where it was in 2003.
Since men have learned to shoot without missing, I have learned to fly without perching
McGill
#6 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:00:21 PM
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Jon Jones wrote:
subaru wrote:
some were indeed shells and we have paid heavily for that so do you have any opportunities elsewhere we can jump to

In the last 5 years, private equity deals in Kenya have totaled $1.5 billion.
Link: https://www.standardmedi...on-private-equity-deals

Kenya ranks third in Private Equity in Africa after South Africa and Nigeria. Decent local companies such as Java, Quickmart etc chose the private equity route instead of listing. Only garbage lands in the NSE.

For more opportunities, you will have to look internationally, look into other asset classes e.g crypto, local businesses ie partnerships etc.


You can join forces with some Wazuans and buyout some good local companies.
Ericsson
#7 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2021 8:35:05 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
Jon Jones wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Jon Jones wrote:
Nowadays, most money in Kenya is in Private Equity. Companies are choosing to stay unlisted and sourcing for funds from private investors.

Usually, private companies only list when they want to offload shells on wananchi. The real quality small and medium companies are avoiding the stock exchange at all costs.

The era of quality companies on the NSE is coming to an end. In the last 10 years, very few quality companies have listed. Since 2010-11, most of the companies that have listed were shells being sold to the common man.

For wazuans, you guys might need to look for investment opportunities elsewhere because decent investable companies are no longer listing.

It was by sheer luck that Nakumatt wasn't offloaded to wananchi on time.



Fix the economy, everything else will follow.

Easier said than done. As an investor (not politician), you have no say. You can only vote with your feet ie seeking opportunities elsewhere.

I have been a wazuan for almost 10 years, some as a guest. There is a strong correlation between traffic to this website with how well the local stock market is doing. The smart investors became inactive because opportunities disappeared. We have been in a protracted drawdown since 1st January 2007 when the market hit 5774 points. Today we are at 1911 points 14 years later with no end in sight. It has been hard to make any money in the NSE for the last 7 years. A 67% drawdown. Some people have made money, but generally, the average investor has been underwater for 14 years.

Today the NSE 20 share index is where it was in 2003.



You become an active trader,if you see the company you have invested in things are starting to go south,you jump out and protect your losses or exit with your minimal profit.
There are other options to protect your capital such as money market,government securities
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Receptor
#8 Posted : Friday, June 18, 2021 10:51:28 AM
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Jon Jones wrote:
Nowadays, most money in Kenya is in Private Equity. Companies are choosing to stay unlisted and sourcing for funds from private investors.

Usually, private companies only list when they want to offload shells on wananchi. The real quality small and medium companies are avoiding the stock exchange at all costs.

The era of quality companies on the NSE is coming to an end. In the last 10 years, very few quality companies have listed. Since 2010-11, most of the companies that have listed were shells being sold to the common man.

For wazuans, you guys might need to look for investment opportunities elsewhere because decent investable companies are no longer listing.

It was by sheer luck that Nakumatt wasn't offloaded to wananchi on time.


hehehehe...fatigue in the casino is real. The 14-year old bear is taking its toll on wazuans like @Jon Jones. My brother this is the time you should be stacking grossly undervalued gems in the NSE/casino like a nonsense.

As for listing quality firms, Devki is on record promising a listing on NSE. Other wahindis making insane profits from Kenyans should also be cajoled to list their companies and "give back" to wazua capitalists who have a knack in investing in stocks.

The way things are going, Kenya will need some sort of legislation to compel companies(especially foreign companies) to forfeit minority shareholding to Kenyans through NSE.
Ericsson
#9 Posted : Friday, June 18, 2021 11:51:48 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
Receptor wrote:
Jon Jones wrote:
Nowadays, most money in Kenya is in Private Equity. Companies are choosing to stay unlisted and sourcing for funds from private investors.

Usually, private companies only list when they want to offload shells on wananchi. The real quality small and medium companies are avoiding the stock exchange at all costs.

The era of quality companies on the NSE is coming to an end. In the last 10 years, very few quality companies have listed. Since 2010-11, most of the companies that have listed were shells being sold to the common man.

For wazuans, you guys might need to look for investment opportunities elsewhere because decent investable companies are no longer listing.

It was by sheer luck that Nakumatt wasn't offloaded to wananchi on time.


hehehehe...fatigue in the casino is real. The 14-year old bear is taking its toll on wazuans like @Jon Jones. My brother this is the time you should be stacking grossly undervalued gems in the NSE/casino like a nonsense.

As for listing quality firms, Devki is on record promising a listing on NSE. Other wahindis making insane profits from Kenyans should also be cajoled to list their companies and "give back" to wazua capitalists who have a knack in investing in stocks.

The way things are going, Kenya will need some sort of legislation to compel companies(especially foreign companies) to forfeit minority shareholding to Kenyans through NSE.


The foreign companies it's not guaranteed they are doing well financially.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Aguytrying
#10 Posted : Saturday, June 19, 2021 9:16:56 AM
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Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,040
Jon Jones wrote:
subaru wrote:
some were indeed shells and we have paid heavily for that so do you have any opportunities elsewhere we can jump to

In the last 5 years, private equity deals in Kenya have totaled $1.5 billion.
Link: https://www.standardmedi...on-private-equity-deals

Kenya ranks third in Private Equity in Africa after South Africa and Nigeria. Decent local companies such as Java, Quickmart etc chose the private equity route instead of listing. Only garbage lands in the NSE.

For more opportunities, you will have to look internationally, look into other asset classes e.g crypto, local businesses ie partnerships etc.


It is difficult to disagree with you. The slump / bear market has lasted way too long. An investor who switched to other ventures would have had a much higher chance of making profits. I'm not saying leave the NSE completely, buy undervalued gems. But invest in other more profitable ventures in the meanwhile. Spread out your exposure while reducing NSE investments. For example Just seen a tweet today that DSE Tz stock exchange is up 40% this year with a dividend yield of 12% to boot.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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