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jerry
#41 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2011 3:19:13 PM
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@mwenza...not received mine.... Sad

=>still waiting also.
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#42 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2011 3:22:25 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:


2) Makes sense to use the 9bn first before you go borrow [the Rights cash is interest-free]


@VVS Rights cash does have a cost (although it may not be called interest) - The additional dividends the company has to pay in perpetuity. With a dividend yield of only 4% its still cheaper than the bank interest which is a peculiarity of the Kenyan market where equity is cheaper than debt.
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#43 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2011 4:34:30 PM
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mozenrat wrote:
... With a dividend yield of only 4% its still cheaper than the bank interest which is a peculiarity of the Kenyan market where equity is cheaper than debt.


Shame on you
CapitalGain + DividendYield > CostOfDebt

Equity is less risky for KPLC hence it is DEARER than debt.

Debt is riskier for KPLC hence it is CHEAPER than Equity (Rights).

The inverse is true for the INVESTOR / LENDER.

This is what (I hope) we expect from the market. KenyaMarket is not peculiar in this respect.
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VituVingiSana
#44 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2011 6:32:44 PM
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mozenrat wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:


2) Makes sense to use the 9bn first before you go borrow [the Rights cash is interest-free]


@VVS Rights cash does have a cost (although it may not be called interest) - The additional dividends the company has to pay in perpetuity. With a dividend yield of only 4% its still cheaper than the bank interest which is a peculiarity of the Kenyan market where equity is cheaper than debt.

Careful! KPLC already HAVE THE CASH... they are not obligated to pay dividends! Note that during Rights Issues firms say all the right stuff but AFTER the Rights...

See Uchumi or KCB or a host of other Rights Issues... Dividends, wapi?

Dividend Yield is a cheaper form for KPLC than Debt. Why? 4% vs 14% [No tax shield though]

As for the Perpetuity aspect...
KPLC can borrow debt in perpetuity [borrow from Peter to pay Paul] so what's your point about 'dividends' in perpetuity?

In the future when KPLC is cash rich & CMA allows buybacks... they can always redeem the shares aka buy back the shares!
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mkonomtupu
#45 Posted : Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:40:22 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
I am selling half of KPLC portfolio today, this company needs too much capital and is not good in utilizing capital it's like an airline. i'm looking for better bargains now that the market is looking down
Does it need capital? Yes, but that's what it raised in Dec 2010.


My thoughts exactly. I was wondering what mkonombaya is talking about.


3 years down the line looking at the share price, KPLC, there were better bargains. I think it's now time to start cautiously accumulating KPLC
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#46 Posted : Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:36:29 PM
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mkonomtupu wrote:
2012 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
I am selling half of KPLC portfolio today, this company needs too much capital and is not good in utilizing capital it's like an airline. i'm looking for better bargains now that the market is looking down
Does it need capital? Yes, but that's what it raised in Dec 2010.


My thoughts exactly. I was wondering what mkonombaya is talking about.


3 years down the line looking at the share price, KPLC, there were better bargains. I think it's now time to start cautiously accumulating KPLC


You are one of the greats of wazua even though you arent as celebrated as the others. and you are a fundie and believe in balancing with bonds..... what i want to be when I grow up
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#47 Posted : Tuesday, December 08, 2020 4:58:06 PM
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Quite an interesting thread. Hindsight is 20/20.
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#48 Posted : Tuesday, December 08, 2020 6:03:29 PM
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wukan wrote:
Quite an interesting thread. Hindsight is 20/20.


hehehehe...I am waiting for this monkey at 80 cents where i will go hard at it. Thanks to Jubilee/UhuRuto government entrenched corruption, and state-capture by Dynasties a.k.a independent power producers (IPP's), this cash cow(mali ya umma) has been milked dry and is now on its knees.

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#49 Posted : Tuesday, December 08, 2020 7:36:34 PM
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Fyatu wrote:
wukan wrote:
Quite an interesting thread. Hindsight is 20/20.


hehehehe...I am waiting for this monkey at 80 cents where i will go hard at it. Thanks to Jubilee/UhuRuto government entrenched corruption, and state-capture by Dynasties a.k.a independent power producers (IPP's), this cash cow(mali ya umma) has been milked dry and is now on its knees.



Am telling you Uhuru did not care that the mother is a major shareholder here, capital erosion at its best
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#50 Posted : Tuesday, December 08, 2020 9:56:33 PM
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murchr wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
wukan wrote:
Quite an interesting thread. Hindsight is 20/20.


hehehehe...I am waiting for this monkey at 80 cents where i will go hard at it. Thanks to Jubilee/UhuRuto government entrenched corruption, and state-capture by Dynasties a.k.a independent power producers (IPP's), this cash cow(mali ya umma) has been milked dry and is now on its knees.



Am telling you Uhuru did not care that the mother is a major shareholder here, capital erosion at its best
There was a lot more to be made from tenders.
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#51 Posted : Thursday, December 10, 2020 3:48:43 PM
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murchr wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
wukan wrote:
Quite an interesting thread. Hindsight is 20/20.


hehehehe...I am waiting for this monkey at 80 cents where i will go hard at it. Thanks to Jubilee/UhuRuto government entrenched corruption, and state-capture by Dynasties a.k.a independent power producers (IPP's), this cash cow(mali ya umma) has been milked dry and is now on its knees.



Am telling you Uhuru did not care that the mother is a major shareholder here, capital erosion at its best


Maybe that's the plan cause a panic, then buy at low prices. Then claim to have come to save KPLC with some new plan and funds which cause the family wealth to multiply itself 200%.
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#52 Posted : Friday, December 11, 2020 9:54:03 PM
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HaMaina wrote:
murchr wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
wukan wrote:
Quite an interesting thread. Hindsight is 20/20.


hehehehe...I am waiting for this monkey at 80 cents where i will go hard at it. Thanks to Jubilee/UhuRuto government entrenched corruption, and state-capture by Dynasties a.k.a independent power producers (IPP's), this cash cow(mali ya umma) has been milked dry and is now on its knees.



Am telling you Uhuru did not care that the mother is a major shareholder here, capital erosion at its best


Maybe that's the plan cause a panic, then buy at low prices. Then claim to have come to save KPLC with some new plan and funds which cause the family wealth to multiply itself 200%.


Dynasties cream off the top, don't wait for residual dividends and such. That's the reason why KPLC is in losses.
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#53 Posted : Saturday, December 12, 2020 12:16:22 AM
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sparkly wrote:
HaMaina wrote:
murchr wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
wukan wrote:
Quite an interesting thread. Hindsight is 20/20.


hehehehe...I am waiting for this monkey at 80 cents where i will go hard at it. Thanks to Jubilee/UhuRuto government entrenched corruption, and state-capture by Dynasties a.k.a independent power producers (IPP's), this cash cow(mali ya umma) has been milked dry and is now on its knees.



Am telling you Uhuru did not care that the mother is a major shareholder here, capital erosion at its best


Maybe that's the plan cause a panic, then buy at low prices. Then claim to have come to save KPLC with some new plan and funds which cause the family wealth to multiply itself 200%.

Dynasties cream off the top, don't wait for residual dividends and such. That's the reason why KPLC is in losses.
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