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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Ati What?Quote:Researchers at Citi expect that KCB will not pay a dividend in the current financial year, given the tough operating environment.
The analysts say, “[The bank’s] management have communicated that they do not believe [the dividend] will be forthcoming.” Source: KCB Shares Trading at 40% Discount- Citi ResearchBy: Miriam Wangui November 20, 2020, in Kenyan News, Markets Link: https://kenyanwallstreet...-discount-citi-research/
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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[quote=aemathenge] Ati What?Quote:Researchers at Citi expect that KCB will not pay a dividend in the current financial year, given the tough operating environment.
The analysts say, “[The bank’s] management have communicated that they do not believe [the dividend] will be forthcoming.” Source: KCB Shares Trading at 40% Discount- Citi ResearchBy: Miriam Wangui November 20, 2020, in Kenyan News, Markets Link: https://kenyanwallstreet...discount-citi-research/[/quote] Ohh yes... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,684 Location: NAIROBI
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maka wrote:[quote=aemathenge] Ati What?Quote:Researchers at Citi expect that KCB will not pay a dividend in the current financial year, given the tough operating environment.
The analysts say, “[The bank’s] management have communicated that they do not believe [the dividend] will be forthcoming.” Source: KCB Shares Trading at 40% Discount- Citi ResearchBy: Miriam Wangui November 20, 2020, in Kenyan News, Markets Link: https://kenyanwallstreet...discount-citi-research/[/quote] Ohh yes... They might substitute with a bonus share issue Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2007 Posts: 2,037 Location: Lagos, Nigeria
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[/quote= Ericsson/] They might substitute with a bonus share issue Yep Bonus most likely Best case:- 1:10 Worst case:-. 1:20 Base case:- Btw 1:10 & 1:20 http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...spx?g=posts&t=38084
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,684 Location: NAIROBI
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A bonus share issue of 1:10 would perfectly compensate shareholders a dividend of ksh.3.50 per share based on the current prevailing share price. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,684 Location: NAIROBI
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There is also a potential acquisition in Ethiopia which has been paused by COVID-19 pandemic and the Tigray war Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 1/4/2019 Posts: 69 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:A bonus share issue of 1:10 would perfectly compensate shareholders a dividend of ksh.3.50 per share based on the current prevailing share price. Heh, they better....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2007 Posts: 2,037 Location: Lagos, Nigeria
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Ericsson wrote: A bonus share issue of 1:10 would perfectly compensate shareholders a dividend of ksh.3.50 per share based on the current prevailing share price.
Please explain ? Thanks. The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,684 Location: NAIROBI
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young wrote:Ericsson wrote: A bonus share issue of 1:10 would perfectly compensate shareholders a dividend of ksh.3.50 per share based on the current prevailing share price.
Please explain ? Thanks. Assume you have 10,000 KCB shares. You are to get a dividend of ksh.3.50 per share. The total dividend you are to get is (35,00-1750)=33250. But instead KCB decides to give you a bonus share issue of 1:10. Means you will get an additional 1,000 shares.Current share price of KCB is 37. Adjusting the share price to cater for the dividends means you will get 1,000 shares worth ksh.33.3 per share. Total value of shares allocated is ksh.33,300. The ksh.33,300 is equal to the dividend you would have received. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:young wrote:Ericsson wrote: A bonus share issue of 1:10 would perfectly compensate shareholders a dividend of ksh.3.50 per share based on the current prevailing share price.
Please explain ? Thanks. Assume you have 10,000 KCB shares. You are to get a dividend of ksh.3.50 per share. The total dividend you are to get is (35,00-1750)=33250. But instead KCB decides to give you a bonus share issue of 1:10. Means you will get an additional 1,000 shares.Current share price of KCB is 37. Adjusting the share price to cater for the dividends means you will get 1,000 shares worth ksh.33.3 per share. Total value of shares allocated is ksh.33,300. The ksh.33,300 is equal to the dividend you would have received. So you start with 37,000 of value. And end up with 37,000 of value. And zero cash. Bonuses are just slicing the same cake into more pieces. 11 instead of 10. Same size cake. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,684 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:young wrote:Ericsson wrote: A bonus share issue of 1:10 would perfectly compensate shareholders a dividend of ksh.3.50 per share based on the current prevailing share price.
Please explain ? Thanks. Assume you have 10,000 KCB shares. You are to get a dividend of ksh.3.50 per share. The total dividend you are to get is (35,00-1750)=33250. But instead KCB decides to give you a bonus share issue of 1:10. Means you will get an additional 1,000 shares.Current share price of KCB is 37. Adjusting the share price to cater for the dividends means you will get 1,000 shares worth ksh.33.3 per share. Total value of shares allocated is ksh.33,300. The ksh.33,300 is equal to the dividend you would have received. So you start with 37,000 of value. And end up with 37,000 of value. And zero cash. Bonuses are just slicing the same cake into more pieces. 11 instead of 10. Same size cake. Same scenario when a counter trades cum dividend and ex dividend. That's why some people sell their shares rather than wait for the dividend e.g those who sold their centum shares when it was trading cum dividend at 22. Disclaimer:Some counters the share price may hold at the same level or trade at a higher price post bonus issue. Same scenario maybe witnessed with cum dividend and ex dividend. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2007 Posts: 2,037 Location: Lagos, Nigeria
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Ericsson wrote:young wrote:Ericsson wrote: A bonus share issue of 1:10 would perfectly compensate shareholders a dividend of ksh.3.50 per share based on the current prevailing share price.
Please explain ? Thanks. Assume you have 10,000 KCB shares. You are to get a dividend of ksh.3.50 per share. The total dividend you are to get is (35,00-1750)=33250. But instead KCB decides to give you a bonus share issue of 1:10. Means you will get an additional 1,000 shares.Current share price of KCB is 37. Adjusting the share price to cater for the dividends means you will get 1,000 shares worth ksh.33.3 per share. Total value of shares allocated is ksh.33,300. The ksh.33,300 is equal to the dividend you would have received. Thanks Bwana Prof @Ericsson for the clarification . If that is the case it is a fair deal for income investors because if price is adjusted to say 33.33 bob post bonus issue, for KCB over time the price will recover to 40+ . I personally benefited in FY 2019 from SCBK 1:10 bonus , though they were generous enough to give 7.50 bob dividend in addition. Asante Sana. The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:young wrote:Ericsson wrote: A bonus share issue of 1:10 would perfectly compensate shareholders a dividend of ksh.3.50 per share based on the current prevailing share price.
Please explain ? Thanks. Assume you have 10,000 KCB shares. You are to get a dividend of ksh.3.50 per share. The total dividend you are to get is (35,00-1750)=33250. But instead KCB decides to give you a bonus share issue of 1:10. Means you will get an additional 1,000 shares.Current share price of KCB is 37. Adjusting the share price to cater for the dividends means you will get 1,000 shares worth ksh.33.3 per share. Total value of shares allocated is ksh.33,300. The ksh.33,300 is equal to the dividend you would have received. So you start with 37,000 of value. And end up with 37,000 of value. And zero cash. Bonuses are just slicing the same cake into more pieces. 11 instead of 10. Same size cake. Same scenario when a counter trades cum dividend and ex dividend. That's why some people sell their shares rather than wait for the dividend e.g those who sold their centum shares when it was trading cum dividend at 22. Disclaimer:Some counters the share price may hold at the same level or trade at a higher price post bonus issue. Same scenario maybe witnessed with cum dividend and ex dividend. Yes but often the shares go ex-div on the day of the AGM. Not always but often. The AGM may provide additional (+ or -) insights that may "maintain" the share price. I prefer the cash since it's cheaper for me. Also it's defined vs varying prices on the sale of shares. I have to sell shares [commissions] vs getting a cash dividend [W/Tax]. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/1/2009 Posts: 256
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:young wrote:Ericsson wrote: A bonus share issue of 1:10 would perfectly compensate shareholders a dividend of ksh.3.50 per share based on the current prevailing share price.
Please explain ? Thanks. Assume you have 10,000 KCB shares. You are to get a dividend of ksh.3.50 per share. The total dividend you are to get is (35,00-1750)=33250. But instead KCB decides to give you a bonus share issue of 1:10. Means you will get an additional 1,000 shares.Current share price of KCB is 37. Adjusting the share price to cater for the dividends means you will get 1,000 shares worth ksh.33.3 per share. Total value of shares allocated is ksh.33,300. The ksh.33,300 is equal to the dividend you would have received. So you start with 37,000 of value. And end up with 37,000 of value. And zero cash. Bonuses are just slicing the same cake into more pieces. 11 instead of 10. Same size cake. Same scenario when a counter trades cum dividend and ex dividend. That's why some people sell their shares rather than wait for the dividend e.g those who sold their centum shares when it was trading cum dividend at 22. Disclaimer:Some counters the share price may hold at the same level or trade at a higher price post bonus issue. Same scenario maybe witnessed with cum dividend and ex dividend. Yes but often the shares go ex-div on the day of the AGM. Not always but often. The AGM may provide additional (+ or -) insights that may "maintain" the share price. I prefer the cash since it's cheaper for me. Also it's defined vs varying prices on the sale of shares. I have to sell shares [commissions] vs getting a cash dividend [W/Tax]. 2% (commissions) vs 5% (W/Tax) - assuming it's a liquid stock
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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Monk wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:young wrote:Ericsson wrote: A bonus share issue of 1:10 would perfectly compensate shareholders a dividend of ksh.3.50 per share based on the current prevailing share price.
Please explain ? Thanks. Assume you have 10,000 KCB shares. You are to get a dividend of ksh.3.50 per share. The total dividend you are to get is (35,00-1750)=33250. But instead KCB decides to give you a bonus share issue of 1:10. Means you will get an additional 1,000 shares.Current share price of KCB is 37. Adjusting the share price to cater for the dividends means you will get 1,000 shares worth ksh.33.3 per share. Total value of shares allocated is ksh.33,300. The ksh.33,300 is equal to the dividend you would have received. So you start with 37,000 of value. And end up with 37,000 of value. And zero cash. Bonuses are just slicing the same cake into more pieces. 11 instead of 10. Same size cake. Same scenario when a counter trades cum dividend and ex dividend. That's why some people sell their shares rather than wait for the dividend e.g those who sold their centum shares when it was trading cum dividend at 22. Disclaimer:Some counters the share price may hold at the same level or trade at a higher price post bonus issue. Same scenario maybe witnessed with cum dividend and ex dividend. Yes but often the shares go ex-div on the day of the AGM. Not always but often. The AGM may provide additional (+ or -) insights that may "maintain" the share price. I prefer the cash since it's cheaper for me. Also it's defined vs varying prices on the sale of shares. I have to sell shares [commissions] vs getting a cash dividend [W/Tax]. 2% (commissions) vs 5% (W/Tax) - assuming it's a liquid stock That's the catch. It assumes you can get the same price and can sell all the "bonus" shares. As you say, it can vary for counters. Safaricom, KCB, etc might be OK but not most others. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,684 Location: NAIROBI
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KCB managed to auction the former Nakumatt HQ property in Industrial Area. It recovered ksh.1.04bn out of the 2.06bn Nakumatt Holdings owed it. The property was taken by furniture palace. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,516 Location: nairobi
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TZBancABC RWBPR I speak in code HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,684 Location: NAIROBI
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KCB set to acquire Atlas Mara banking business in Rwanda and Tanzania Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,684 Location: NAIROBI
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Ericsson wrote:Ericsson wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-12/biggest-kenyan-bank-pauses-ethiopian-entry-on-virus-uncertainty
Biggest Kenyan Bank Pauses Ethiopian Entry on Virus Uncertainty
Kenya’s biggest bank put on hold plans to expand into Ethiopia where fighting between the federal government and a dissident region has resulted in hundreds of deaths and caused thousands to flee.
KCB Group Ltd. is waiting for the uncertainty caused by the coronavirus to settle before pursuing an entry into its northerly neighbor, Chief Executive Officer Joshua Oigara said. The Nairobi-based lender, which was looking to partner with an Ethiopian bank, will instead focus on the six markets it currently operates in, he said.
“The conversations for Ethiopia are not continuing for now,” the CEO said in an interview, without referring to the incursion. “It will have to happen once we are clear about how the pandemic goes.” The lender’s profit in the nine months through September declined 43% compared with a year-earlier after provisions surged amid the economic fallout of the coronavirus. Going into next year, the company is projecting some recovery in East Africa as the countries adapt to living with Covid-19. KCB will still be on the look out for opportunities for its existing businesses.
“We remain very optimistic in markets like Rwanda, where we have always been very interested in increasing our presence,” Oigara said. “We are very much interested in enhancing capability in Tanzania, and obviously also in Uganda,” he said. “So we are on standby.”
The company will need to cut staff, which accounts for almost 45% of total expenses, the CEO said, without providing more details. It will further reduce costs such as leases, meals and travel by December.
“We are also looking very strongly at our own technology investments as we migrate transactions in those areas,” Oigara said. “That will also reduce any additional staff costs.” They are looking at a probable acquisition in Rwanda, they could go for the Atlas Mara operation now that Atlas Mara has decided to sell in piecemeal. Add that to a possible Ethiopia acquisition post covid-19. As predicted, it has come to pass. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:KCB managed to auction the former Nakumatt HQ property in Industrial Area. It recovered ksh.1.04bn out of the 2.06bn Nakumatt Holdings owed it. The property was taken by furniture palace. Good info. Asante. Should work out well seeing their acquisition acumen in the past 😀 https://www.google.com/a...tlas-maras-2-banks/amp/
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