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murchr wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:murchr wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:My friends, I hear you.
But let me remind you if I may:
1. The price to be paid here is nothing compared to what we pay already, through theft and mismanagement already. At least now we might get some peace and quiet in addition.
2. If chaos comes nobody get to chose the price to pay for peace. You pay what is demanded. Kenya has approached this precipice several times already. If bribing our ravenous politicians (as indeed this is what it is) is what will guarantee our children and grand children get to have a life in Kenya, I say why not?
3. This kind of fix is not new, not even for Kenya. We had it after 2007. Unfortunately, in the excitement of Katiba crafting, we lost the principle lesson of that painful period, to wit:
"It is not about democracy. It is not even about justice. It is about 'eat and let eat."
Kizungu ingine wachia NGO. Wacha kutafuta kazi wazua. No MP or Presidential candidate would die because Kenyans have rejected them. Kenyans fight because of being paid to do so by these same politicians. even with 100 new senators and 1000 MPs, the losers will still kill. Apart from that, the president wants to take aeay the independence of the judiciary to bring back Moism dah! If you can move out of Kenya do so, or look for ways to send your money in those safe islands this is bullshit Come srowry my friend. Before you chock on your emotional tirades I suggest you read up on the recent history of, say, Sierra Leone, Liberia or, more recently, South Sudan. In their desperate search for peace, after the near deaths of their nations, they used similar egotistical kizungu mingi. BS, historical injustices, no so and so etc etc. Guess what? The price they had to pay for peace was seeing their killers walk free or even placed to rule over them. Remember Foday Sankoh? Kenya, nearly went the same way recently, which you have probably forgotten already. Leadership is not a zero sum game. Those who are too proud to see this lesson are likely to have to learn it the hard way. Did Kenyans fight in 2013? What about 2017? All this is a grand scheme to have certain people in politics forever. Why do people only fight in certain areas and not some? I have never heard Kaos fighting after Kalonzo's coalition looses. Kenyans are more mature politically than S.Sudanese or Sierra Leoneans we need to learn to accept the will of the people. Creating posts to accommodate a TRIBAL CHIEF MOSTLY A RICH MAN a demagogue is not a solution to poverty or peace to say the least. The way the economy is going we will be another Nigeria in the coming months No amount of scaremongering should be tolerated. We need to reject this bill even if 100% of the political class are behind it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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I hate this BBI yet somehow I'm beginning to feel that communities that previously felt excluded now have a chance to sit at the table and hence foster peace.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Shak wrote:I hate this BBI yet somehow I'm beginning to feel that communities that previously felt excluded now have a chance to sit at the table and hence foster peace. Hi @ Shak 2 issues: 1. How many communities are we talking about? Max 5? Big 5? Mtaita? Mturkana? Rendille, Gabbra, Abakuria, Swahili, Maasai, Samburu, El Molo etc? 2. How are we including them? The president will appoint all the other 4 pretenders and fire them. It will be clear to all in max 3 years where power lies. & 8in the polls that follow it shall be cutthroat for that one post again- the Presidency!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/10/2010 Posts: 281 Location: Nairobi
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Shak wrote:I hate this BBI yet somehow I'm beginning to feel that communities that previously felt excluded now have a chance to sit at the table and hence foster peace. The communities are included in the current constitution through the MCA, MP, Governor, Senator, Women Reps. The same process of moving around the country collecting views was used. This document addresses nothing specifically different for those communities. By the way, those communities are not the cause for lack of peace or political unrest in the country.
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madhaquer wrote:murchr wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:murchr wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:My friends, I hear you.
But let me remind you if I may:
1. The price to be paid here is nothing compared to what we pay already, through theft and mismanagement already. At least now we might get some peace and quiet in addition.
2. If chaos comes nobody get to chose the price to pay for peace. You pay what is demanded. Kenya has approached this precipice several times already. If bribing our ravenous politicians (as indeed this is what it is) is what will guarantee our children and grand children get to have a life in Kenya, I say why not?
3. This kind of fix is not new, not even for Kenya. We had it after 2007. Unfortunately, in the excitement of Katiba crafting, we lost the principle lesson of that painful period, to wit:
"It is not about democracy. It is not even about justice. It is about 'eat and let eat."
Kizungu ingine wachia NGO. Wacha kutafuta kazi wazua. No MP or Presidential candidate would die because Kenyans have rejected them. Kenyans fight because of being paid to do so by these same politicians. even with 100 new senators and 1000 MPs, the losers will still kill. Apart from that, the president wants to take aeay the independence of the judiciary to bring back Moism dah! If you can move out of Kenya do so, or look for ways to send your money in those safe islands this is bullshit Come srowry my friend. Before you chock on your emotional tirades I suggest you read up on the recent history of, say, Sierra Leone, Liberia or, more recently, South Sudan. In their desperate search for peace, after the near deaths of their nations, they used similar egotistical kizungu mingi. BS, historical injustices, no so and so etc etc. Guess what? The price they had to pay for peace was seeing their killers walk free or even placed to rule over them. Remember Foday Sankoh? Kenya, nearly went the same way recently, which you have probably forgotten already. Leadership is not a zero sum game. Those who are too proud to see this lesson are likely to have to learn it the hard way. Did Kenyans fight in 2013? What about 2017? All this is a grand scheme to have certain people in politics forever. Why do people only fight in certain areas and not some? I have never heard Kaos fighting after Kalonzo's coalition looses. Kenyans are more mature politically than S.Sudanese or Sierra Leoneans we need to learn to accept the will of the people. Creating posts to accommodate a TRIBAL CHIEF MOSTLY A RICH MAN a demagogue is not a solution to poverty or peace to say the least. The way the economy is going we will be another Nigeria in the coming months No amount of scaremongering should be tolerated. We need to reject this bill even if 100% of the political class are behind it. YES! it should be rejected to its totality how the conversation moved from this constitution is unsustainable to we need more positions beats me. The political class is playing with the mlala hoi who is the majority. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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D a m n Kendo Opanga is on a roll on this 25th Day of October, The Year of Our Lord, 2020. Quote:Some things I know and many things I do not know.
But this I know for certain:
The political changes to the constitution proposed by the Building Bridges Initiative (BBI) serve not the people, but the dominant political class.
A president who appoints a prime minister and who he could sack at whim;
a president who hires deputy prime ministers who he could fire by fiat;
a president who employs ministers he could kick out if and when he fancies.
Some things I know and some things I do not know, but this I know for certain:
BBI proposes an economic revolution, asks us to think big or 50 years down the economic development line.
But it ignores Vision 2030 whose objective remains clear, solid, explained and abundant:
transform Kenya into a middle-income country with a high quality of life for all its citizens. Source Link: https://nation.africa/ke...ta-ii-succession-2721398
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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madhaquer wrote:Shak wrote:I hate this BBI yet somehow I'm beginning to feel that communities that previously felt excluded now have a chance to sit at the table and hence foster peace. The communities are included in the current constitution through the MCA, MP, Governor, Senator, Women Reps. The same process of moving around the country collecting views was used. This document addresses nothing specifically different for those communities. By the way, those communities are not the cause for lack of peace or political unrest in the country. Was just playing devil's advocate. I'm quite jaded by politics and politicians.
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 Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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Lolest! wrote:Ruto amewasha moto Bomas I may agree with him on some issues...lakini, he needs to pick his fights wisely. This is not the place to debate. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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