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POOR TRANSACTION ADVISE-THE CASE OF KCB RIGHTS
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#41 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 1:53:26 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
I sold my KCB... now I await to 'replace' them with exercise my alloted Rights @ 17 or buy Rights at 0.10...


you just swallowed your tail there...LoL...nice move...
Wa_ithaka
#42 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 8:03:41 PM
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I'm going to get me some KCB when it reaches Ksh12 or if Martin takes the walk of shame
The Governor of Nyeri - 2017
VituVingiSana
#43 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 9:55:54 PM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
I'm going to get me some KCB when it reaches Ksh12 or if Martin takes the walk of shame

My friend... 12/- is a dream in the absence of any bad news...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
sparkly
#44 Posted : Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:56:18 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Sasha wrote:
ditto VVS. Have a bet with a 'TA' that the share price will go below 17 bob. A bet I don't want to lose!

Careful on this on coz if subscription is low then price cud drop below 17/-

@sparkly - You need 1 Right to 'buy' 1 KCB share...

Ahsante @vvs. Am not a huge fan of the KCB business model but as a bargain hunter, i can no longer ignore this lumbering giant. Just placed an order at max 17.75. One of the best deals in the market right now. Buy buy buy buy (@ qw where r u ?)
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PKoli
#45 Posted : Saturday, July 10, 2010 9:32:39 PM
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Pals,
People are predicting KCB to just touch people by end of the year. That is too far!! The bargain will not last for more than a couple of months. Get in and wait to harvest.

Others are waiting for the stock to touch 12 bob. Guys even 15, I doubt.
shocks
#46 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2010 3:42:01 AM
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There is something not right with the KCB math, They have the biggest balance sheet in the region and cannot beat barclays in profit generation. Equity a bank half their size can gnerate a profit only 100million less than KCB in the first quarter. How comes a bank so big has a market capitalisation half that of equity and barclays?
Either my maths is wrong(which I doubt coz I had a very good lower primary school teacher - Mrs Njuguna) or there is a big chunk of info about this bank thats waiting in the corner waiting to suprise us coz I cant believe a bank can be this undervalued
youcan'tstopusnow
#47 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2010 8:02:28 AM
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shocks, the reason for kcb 'underperforming' is because of inefficient and visionless management.
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VituVingiSana
#48 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2010 8:09:37 AM
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Many KCB employees think KCB is a government bank! They need to be fired...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
astute
#49 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2010 10:40:35 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Many KCB employees think KCB is a government bank! They need to be fired...


this has been a song in the AGMs...the management never acts about their customer service....but as per now it is a bargain, and after the rights the government will own only 16%, this should be a wake up call for the management and workers!!!!!!!
sparkly
#50 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2010 12:07:50 PM
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shocks wrote:
There is something not right with the KCB math, They have the biggest balance sheet in the region and cannot beat barclays in profit generation. Equity a bank half their size can gnerate a profit only 100million less than KCB in the first quarter. How comes a bank so big has a market capitalisation half that of equity and barclays?
Either my maths is wrong(which I doubt coz I had a very good lower primary school teacher - Mrs Njuguna) or there is a big chunk of info about this bank thats waiting in the corner waiting to suprise us coz I cant believe a bank can be this undervalued

@shocks kweli kabisa. Their div yield is also decent (minus the dilution defect) the damn thing is a bargain. If they post good results in next year or so, mambo poa.
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#51 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2010 6:02:37 PM
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am i the only one who thinks this rights issue will also be oversubcribed..

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#52 Posted : Monday, November 29, 2010 6:10:59 AM
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[quote=stocksmaster]I hold the view that the KCB Rights transaction advisors are giving KCB a raw deal because of the following:

Price: The Ksh 17 per right is on the higher side considering the dilutional effect the 2:5 rights will have on the overall shareholding.

The Mathematics of the rights issue:
Each share last year made Ksh 2.05 for 2.217M shares.

After the rights, each share will have an EPS of Ksh 1.46. As such, each new share is being sold at a P/E of about 11.5

The rights in my opinion should have been sold at a P/E of 10, thus an offer price of Ksh 14.50.

The initial plan seemed to have been to issue 1.1B shares to be offered at 1:2 ratio at a price of about Ksh 14. When the regulator reduced the shares to be offered to 887M, the advisors seem to have simply retained the target of Ksh 15B and raised the offer price to Ksh 17.In my opinion, the target amount should have been reduced to about 13B.

Assume a person with 5 KCB shares before the shares went ex-rights. At a market price of Ksh 20.5 X 5 = Ksh 102.50
Add 2 right shares @ Ksh 17 = Ksh 34
Total value of his 7 shares is Ksh 136.50
Thus Per share, a cost of Ksh 19.50;and a current P/E of 13.35, forward P/E (10% growth for 2010) of 12.2.
I expect the share post rights to trade at the Ksh 17.5 to Ksh 18.5 range before gradually moving to the Ksh 20 range as excess liquidity is mopped up.

The GoK
With the GoK not taking up its right, it means the other shareholders have to step forward an bring Ksh 3.45B that the GoK was supposed to pay for its 23% shareholding. This effectively devalues the right options of other shareholders (tradeable in the NSE). Why buy the other shareholders rights priviledges for maybe Ksh 1.50 (Ex rights price of Ksh 18.5 - Rights price of Ksh 17) when the GoK's 200M rights have no takers.
The outcome is that, during the rights, the KCB share is effectively worth Ksh 17 since the rights priviledges approach a value of Ksh 0 (a case of excessive supply of rights). Worst case scenario would be the share price falling to below Ksh 17 , a real possibility because of the poor timing as highlighted below.

Timing
How do you plan the largest rights issue in Kenyas history to run a few days before an election (Referendum)? This poor timing may just push the share to below the rights issue price, seriously jeopardising the success of the rights issue. In my opinion, the rights should have been offered at the end of August to milk the euphoric mood (especially if the Yes prevails)

Stockmaster.. I need an old head to advice or rather to mentor me on shares. Natoka huku mashambani wiki ya Jamhuri day.. Any chance ya acquintance or else could you do it via email.. gatoho@ymail.com?
Foresight..
Renegade
#53 Posted : Monday, November 29, 2010 2:14:58 PM
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A wise man changes his mind, likewise a wise lady. Stockmaster was looking to buy this share below 17. But when it did not get there, he bought it higher (was it 19 or 20?) and sold it at 22.75.

Those who were not so quick to act as he did and were following his lead on KCB may not have fared as well.

Moral of the story: Beware of what you read here. Take the advice but make your own decisions.
stocksmaster
#54 Posted : Monday, November 29, 2010 4:17:38 PM
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Renegade wrote:
A wise man changes his mind, likewise a wise lady. Stockmaster was looking to buy this share below 17. But when it did not get there, he bought it higher (was it 19 or 20?) and sold it at 22.75.

Those who were not so quick to act as he did and were following his lead on KCB may not have fared as well.

Moral of the story: Beware of what you read here. Take the advice but make your own decisions.


After the conclusion of the KCB Rights, the dynamics changed:
1. Only 85% of the 887M rights were taken up thus a reduction in the dilutional effect on the EPS.
2. The institional demand for the shares picked up post rights.
3. The whole market was getting expensive and on a comparative basis, KCB became cheaper than the other banking stocks.

The resultant scenario thus made business sense to buy KCB. The share appreciated to the Ksh 22.75-23 range within a short time which begged for capital gains to be locked in.

It wasnt a change of mind but a change of the investment environment.

Happy hunting.
gatoho
#55 Posted : Tuesday, November 30, 2010 1:08:14 AM
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stocksmaster wrote:


Happy hunting.



Saw my earlier post stockmaster? I need some serious mentoring.. need to pick your brains as relatively new to this and find your insightful posts enlightening, u come recomended too. If udon't mind niongeleshe kwa gatoho@ymail.com
Foresight..
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