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ubuntu
#11 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:16:00 AM
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@kishindo (ibra),its malicious 2imply govern projcts costs r inflated without evidence!,on the fee issue,% fee scale is outdated and does not reward the consultant comunsarte with the effort put into a project,eg a small one room with gold and diamond finishings wil charge more than a larger low cost yet work involded is more.i encourage time based fees,in developed countries fee scales are history n i also know some leading consultants who charge on time and resources involved.Cap 525 also mentions this
McReggae
#12 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:30:00 PM
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Kishindo,Mrefu and Ubuntu,

Semeni bana,been long........I can see you are putting what you learned at 'THE' 'em days into good use!!!


The chief value of money lies in the fact that one lives in a world in which it is overestimated.
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
kishindo
#13 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:53:00 PM
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@ Ubuntu we all know that Govt. projects are always inflated to oil the wheels of development na uwache kuni-expose...wat is the oppsite of lol? weka hapo..

less is more for Architects only!!
Less is more....for Architects only!!
Mrefu Tall
#14 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:32:00 PM
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Well said ubuntu,
Time basis is also a way of charging.but what tells you people wont inflate the working hours.How do you tell how much time you will need to come up with a design and take it through to production,tender and supervision?I think fees scales are good for the client to quickly project his consultancy fees.All in all the Cap 525 also spells out some of the services that can be charged on time basis,so i believe whoever asked the question can decide,or the board /AAK can advice him on what is better given his project.At the same time all professions are undergoing changes and we need to adapt to new ways of doing things.However you can't know where you are heading,until u look back at where you are from.The 'outdated' systems will sure inform ny future adjustments...I stand to be corrected.
osa
#15 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:49:00 PM
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I agree with some ideas raised here~in. I had the same question on the 'moral hazard' of a %. If the consultants know that he can make more money when bulding cost is 25,000/sq M; then what would be the incentive of helping you with ideas so that you scale down cost to 15,000/Sq. M?

On that note,just for comparison sake,what would an architecturalplan be for a 5 floor flat [2 bedrooms] on a 50*100 in Roysambu,Ruaka or Thika/Ruiru area?

Also,consider time-wise for other services.

Thank you.
tony stark
#16 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:53:00 PM
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@ waweru,ubuntu,kishindo et al. Who are the local groups offering a scheme similar to the housing finance makao scheme which is a one stop shop for everything??

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nyangao
#17 Posted : Friday, November 20, 2009 8:24:00 AM
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@osa,

As a developer,the firstt step you take is conceptualizing the project.

The moment you pick out the project you want to do,you can engage a Qs to do a very quick development budget which,if you constructing houses for sale can quickly indicate whether the project is worth it or not. This they would use the cost per sm to achieve the construction costs.

Once a client finds a project which is viable the Architect can then begin to design based on a budget limit already set. It would take a silly consultant to do a proposal which will kill the project!

By the time a project goes to tender so many cost checks and controls are done to ensure that the project does not exceed the budget.

For family houses,the architect will work on either the specifications given by the client or a budget limit. In the first options the arch will assume that the client is not short of cash and can design using the highest standards of finishes he can think of.- i know of a residential house that cost over 100m! and not the VPs.

2nd option the arch will design based on the budget limit set. the QS in this case will ensure that the finishes specified do not increase the cost of the building.

In all these the consultants will act in good faith to advise the clients.

I reiterate that no good consultant in their right mind would want to increase the cost of a project to inflate their fees.

hey
Mtublack
#18 Posted : Friday, November 20, 2009 9:25:00 AM
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@osa

The % is based on actual cost not on budget cost,which comes out when the works is tendered and the contrctact is awarded all thev way to final cost after implimentation. since the payments is made in stages(cap 5....) you will be able to balance out as works goes on hence you are covered in overpricing. any malpractice on the side of the architect or QS your remedy lies with the registration body BORAQ so long you paid the statutory consutancy fees and there is a contrct between the two parties

depending on the size of the project there are other consultants involved especially service engineers though a structural engineer is almost a must you need to budget for them from the onset


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kishindo
#19 Posted : Friday, November 20, 2009 9:50:00 AM
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@ stark,makao is the only such set up i know of.
Faulu kenya tried sometime back but was largely tailored for low-income settlements. However due to its popularity,more players are likely to adopt the model.

less is more for Architects only!!
Less is more....for Architects only!!
Smartex
#20 Posted : Friday, November 20, 2009 1:12:00 PM
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There are the laid down procedures and standards of payment of a building plan and of any other construction works but to be truthful they are not followed to the letter. Municipal and county councils are in the lead in evading these procedures; I guess tis coz they are the same ones who approve them. For small buildings,you can approach a building technician or a CAD technician,like myself,and get all that is required at an affordable rate,yet up to standards. If you would like my services,you can drop me a mail at emartect@yahoo.co.uk.
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