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Descendants of Slaves Kidnapped from Kenya
sqft
#31 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2020 11:34:53 AM
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kaka2za wrote:
sqft wrote:
It is untrue Waiyaki and his brother Githieya were Maasais. His father was Hinga wa Ngekenya and the mother was Ngina, also known as Nyambutu.

It is on Waiyaki’s land that Captain Fredrick Lugard arrived in Dagoretti on October 10, 1890, on his way to Uganda.

On arrival, Lugard acting on behalf of Imperial British East African Company (IBEA), made a treaty with Waiyaki, and was given land at Kihumo and constructed a fort where Kihumo PCEA church stands today.


That actually doesn't prove that he wasn't a Maasai. Any captured children would be assimilated in the family.
Even Jomo's grandmother was a Maasai


During kikuyu/maasai raids, only young women and girls were captured, while men, boys and old women were killed.
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kaka2za
#32 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2020 1:55:51 PM
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sqft wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
sqft wrote:
It is untrue Waiyaki and his brother Githieya were Maasais. His father was Hinga wa Ngekenya and the mother was Ngina, also known as Nyambutu.

It is on Waiyaki’s land that Captain Fredrick Lugard arrived in Dagoretti on October 10, 1890, on his way to Uganda.

On arrival, Lugard acting on behalf of Imperial British East African Company (IBEA), made a treaty with Waiyaki, and was given land at Kihumo and constructed a fort where Kihumo PCEA church stands today.


That actually doesn't prove that he wasn't a Maasai. Any captured children would be assimilated in the family.
Even Jomo's grandmother was a Maasai


During kikuyu/maasai raids, only young women and girls were captured, while men, boys and old women were killed.


Not true. I know quite a number of families whose grandpas were Maasais captured during raids.
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Lolest!
#33 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2020 2:35:24 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
sqft wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
sqft wrote:
It is untrue Waiyaki and his brother Githieya were Maasais. His father was Hinga wa Ngekenya and the mother was Ngina, also known as Nyambutu.

It is on Waiyaki’s land that Captain Fredrick Lugard arrived in Dagoretti on October 10, 1890, on his way to Uganda.

On arrival, Lugard acting on behalf of Imperial British East African Company (IBEA), made a treaty with Waiyaki, and was given land at Kihumo and constructed a fort where Kihumo PCEA church stands today.


That actually doesn't prove that he wasn't a Maasai. Any captured children would be assimilated in the family.
Even Jomo's grandmother was a Maasai


During kikuyu/maasai raids, only young women and girls were captured, while men, boys and old women were killed.


Not true. I know quite a number of families whose grandpas were Maasais captured during raids.

Correct. There were also other Maasai who moved to Kikuyu country during the troubled late 1800s where the Maasai were faced by decline of livestock du to rinderpest & drought as well as intra-Maasai wars
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mv_ufanisi
#34 Posted : Sunday, June 28, 2020 1:29:36 PM
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Kenyan tribes on the coast seemed to have borne a big loss of population to the East African slave trade. Here's an excerpt

According to the traditions of the Pokomo, a Bantu-speaking people residing on the banks of the Tana River south of Lamu, sometime before the nineteenth century Swahili from the Lamu archipelago had imposed on Pokomo villages under their authority a tribute of two boys and two girls from each big village and one of each for small settlements. The
presence of Pokomo smiths of slave origin in Siyu seems to confirm this.

H. Brown, “History of Siyu: The Development and Decline of a Swahili Town on the Northern Kenya Coast
mv_ufanisi
#35 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2020 5:57:46 PM
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sqft wrote:
mv_ufanisi wrote:
sqft wrote:
It is untrue Waiyaki and his brother Githieya were Maasais. His father was Hinga wa Ngekenya and the mother was Ngina, also known as Nyambutu.

Captain Fredrick Lugard arrived at Waiyakis territory in Dagoretti on October 10, 1890, on his way to Uganda.

On arrival, Lugard acting on behalf of Imperial British East African Company (IBEA), made a treaty with Waiyaki, and was given land at Kihumo and constructed a fort where Kihumo PCEA church stands today.


You should read the book "Muthamaki Waiyaki wa Hinga" written by Lawyer Njoroge Regeru who is one of his descendants.

Confirming this is Wambui Otieno




I prefer reading my history from books written in the 1800s by the explorers coz they record facts as they were at the time not books written in 2010 by so called descendants.



Here is an article written in 1908 that details the relationship between Masai, Kikuyu and Dorobo peoples.

Notes on the Origin and History of the Kikuyu and Dorobo Tribes.
K. R. Dundas 1908






mv_ufanisi
#36 Posted : Friday, July 24, 2020 6:50:33 PM
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/ne...hing_for_my_slave_roots

This is a great story about a man who sets to figure out his black roots. It shows how banks like Barclays Bank are partly there because of the wealth that was got from the sale of slaves.

For a long time in Africa and Kenya in particular this has been the scene of an unimaginable scale of human exploitation. I wonder which companies still exist in Kenya or wealth that have been built on the back of the East African slave trade.
kmucheke
#37 Posted : Friday, July 24, 2020 9:29:50 PM
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There is a DNA study on the impact of transatlantic slave trade in the 16th and 19th centuries. An estimated 12.5 million people from Africa were forcibly deported across the Atlantic with 2 million dying en route.

The research is published here.

It would be interesting to have a similar study done for populations kidnapped through the East African coast via the Indian Ocean.
mv_ufanisi
#38 Posted : Friday, July 24, 2020 9:46:46 PM
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kmucheke wrote:
There is a DNA study on the impact of transatlantic slave trade in the 16th and 19th centuries. An estimated 12.5 million people from Africa were forcibly deported across the Atlantic with 2 million dying en route.

The research is published here.

It would be interesting to have a similar study done for populations kidnapped through the East African coast via the Indian Ocean.


That would be truly amazing. It would finally shed some light on the hidden east African slave trade and I think Kenyans would be shocked by the scale at which it happened here. Unfortunately, Kenyan culture is such as to repress uncomfortable truths ...
radiomast
#39 Posted : Monday, July 27, 2020 9:27:39 PM
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mv_ufanisi wrote:


There is a group of Afro-Paraguayans who were descended from Kamba people and have managed to maintain their culture. They are called Kamba Kua and Kamba Kokue in Paraguay. Here's some links to them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Op4-nZypCQ



Kamba Cua are the most logical target for DNA testing. It would be great to ascertain how related they are to Akamba.
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#40 Posted : Monday, July 27, 2020 10:24:26 PM
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radiomast wrote:
mv_ufanisi wrote:


There is a group of Afro-Paraguayans who were descended from Kamba people and have managed to maintain their culture. They are called Kamba Kua and Kamba Kokue in Paraguay. Here's some links to them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Op4-nZypCQ



Kamba Cua are the most logical target for DNA testing. It would be great to ascertain how related they are to Akamba.

Still find it hard to believe that we have Akamba slave descendants in South America

East coast of Africa to America? Odd.
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mv_ufanisi
#41 Posted : Tuesday, July 28, 2020 6:12:41 AM
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Here could be some other potential candidates for DNA Testing to check the impact of the slave trade. The Al-Khadem of Yemen. Likely descended from slaves captured in East Africa. https://www.khaleejtimes...-in-occupied-west-bank.
mv_ufanisi
#42 Posted : Tuesday, July 28, 2020 6:17:08 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
radiomast wrote:
mv_ufanisi wrote:


There is a group of Afro-Paraguayans who were descended from Kamba people and have managed to maintain their culture. They are called Kamba Kua and Kamba Kokue in Paraguay. Here's some links to them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Op4-nZypCQ



Kamba Cua are the most logical target for DNA testing. It would be great to ascertain how related they are to Akamba.

Still find it hard to believe that we have Akamba slave descendants in South America

East coast of Africa to America? Odd.


That's probably because you have not got deeper into the history of the East African coast. Ships from even the east coast of the United States came to East Africa and bought slaves off. Same thing for the Portuguese who are more likely to have sent off people to the Americas.

The French were the most notorious because of sending people off to Mauritius to work in Sugar Plantations.

It's a shameful part of our history that is conveniently swept under the carpet.
madollar
#43 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2020 3:40:26 AM
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interesting read regarding african americans

The study found, in line with the major slave route, that most Americans of African descent have roots in territories now located in Angola and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Genetic impact of African slave trade revealed in DNA study
kmucheke
#44 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2020 7:45:44 AM
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mv_ufanisi wrote:
Here could be some other potential candidates for DNA Testing to check the impact of the slave trade. The Al-Khadem of Yemen. Likely descended from slaves captured in East Africa. https://www.khaleejtimes...-in-occupied-west-bank.


Indeed, a DNA testing study is needed for African descendants living in the Gulf and Asia.

Afro-Iranians who are mostly descendants of Bantus from South East Africa are another interesting group.
The link is here.
Quote:
Several times every week, they rehearse an energetic and hypnotic style of music unique to their community, sometimes called Bandari
The group calls themselves Bambasi, proudly adopting the word used to describe Iranians of African descent.


You have to admit the word Bandari and Bambasi sound very Swahili-ish.
kmucheke
#45 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2020 7:52:03 AM
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madollar wrote:
interesting read regarding african americans

The study found, in line with the major slave route, that most Americans of African descent have roots in territories now located in Angola and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Genetic impact of African slave trade revealed in DNA study


Which part of DRC? How did they get them out of DRC?
DRC extends from central Africa upto the pacific, did that pacific shoreline have a port?

I wish all these studies were being done by Africans themselves. Too bad we are preoccupied with other stuff.
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