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Kenya Power HY 2019
muandiwambeu
#221 Posted : Thursday, July 16, 2020 5:27:27 PM
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KaunganaDoDo wrote:
mulla wrote:
AndyC wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Some board members have been fired. I meant they resigned. Laughing out loudly


Entire board disbanded
Wow! So KPLC had just 5 directors? What about the chairman?

nika drama nikama fideo...... na bado


This one don't touch!!!


I'll buy more to average downLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Kenya power going into candle manufacturingLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly. Talk of giving up!

When i read that i knew this is a company without ideas. There are many Kenyans with great ideas to whom they should engage. Candles??? Did they do a feasibility study to realize how low sales value and volume they are. Then they want to manufacture a product for which their core business is in total conflict with. The irony!!


The candles are SPECIAL. The Kinds even the Dry Harmattan TradeWind from the Sahara cant blow out

A century old problem reincarnate, between the bulb and the candle who will beat the hangmans noose.Laughing out loudly
Desperate times, do call for desparate measures indeed.
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
Ericsson
#222 Posted : Thursday, July 16, 2020 6:14:59 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
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Treasury/GoK is the one that messed up KPLC.
Some of the policies that were implemented a few years back are now hurting the company.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#223 Posted : Thursday, July 16, 2020 8:42:49 PM
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Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
Treasury/GoK is the one that messed up KPLC.
Some of the policies that were implemented a few years back are now hurting the company.

I have said it before and I will say it again.
If GoK has control beware the Ides of March. KQ showed me things in 2012.
KPLC had its moments with constant corruption.

I have no significant interest in any GoK controlled entity except KenyaRe.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#224 Posted : Thursday, July 16, 2020 9:43:37 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,684
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Treasury/GoK is the one that messed up KPLC.
Some of the policies that were implemented a few years back are now hurting the company.

I have said it before and I will say it again.
If GoK has control beware the Ides of March. KQ showed me things in 2012.
KPLC had its moments with constant corruption.

I have no significant interest in any GoK controlled entity except KenyaRe.


In any company you need to know when to jump in and when to jump out.
ARM was a private firm and we all know what happened.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#225 Posted : Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:14:13 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,103
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Treasury/GoK is the one that messed up KPLC.
Some of the policies that were implemented a few years back are now hurting the company.

I have said it before and I will say it again.
If GoK has control beware the Ides of March. KQ showed me things in 2012.
KPLC had its moments with constant corruption.

I have no significant interest in any GoK controlled entity except KenyaRe.

In any company you need to know when to jump in and when to jump out.
ARM was a private firm and we all know what happened.

Perhaps if one is a pumper and dumper. Or a trader.

The long-term history of government controlled firms is one of underperformance.

BUT I wish you good luck.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#226 Posted : Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:21:46 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,684
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Treasury/GoK is the one that messed up KPLC.
Some of the policies that were implemented a few years back are now hurting the company.

I have said it before and I will say it again.
If GoK has control beware the Ides of March. KQ showed me things in 2012.
KPLC had its moments with constant corruption.

I have no significant interest in any GoK controlled entity except KenyaRe.

In any company you need to know when to jump in and when to jump out.
ARM was a private firm and we all know what happened.

Perhaps if one is a pumper and dumper. Or a trader.

The long-term history of government controlled firms is one of underperformance.

BUT I wish you good luck.


I don't see the need of being a long term investor in a company that was once doing well is on a downward trend.
The moment i see red flags or warning I jump out.

Warren Buffet rules of investing ;
1.Never lose money đź’µ
2.Never forget rule number 1.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#227 Posted : Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:28:58 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,103
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Treasury/GoK is the one that messed up KPLC.
Some of the policies that were implemented a few years back are now hurting the company.

I have said it before and I will say it again.
If GoK has control beware the Ides of March. KQ showed me things in 2012.
KPLC had its moments with constant corruption.

I have no significant interest in any GoK controlled entity except KenyaRe.

In any company you need to know when to jump in and when to jump out.
ARM was a private firm and we all know what happened.

Perhaps if one is a pumper and dumper. Or a trader.

The long-term history of government controlled firms is one of underperformance.

BUT I wish you good luck.


I don't see the need of being a long term investor in a company that was once doing well is on a downward trend.
The moment i see red flags or warning I jump out.

Warren Buffet rules of investing ;
1.Never lose money đź’µ
2.Never forget rule number 1.
Given what you know about KPLC, which has been discussed for years, why would you go in when there are better alternatives?

BUT I wish you good luck.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#228 Posted : Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:31:59 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,684
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Treasury/GoK is the one that messed up KPLC.
Some of the policies that were implemented a few years back are now hurting the company.

I have said it before and I will say it again.
If GoK has control beware the Ides of March. KQ showed me things in 2012.
KPLC had its moments with constant corruption.

I have no significant interest in any GoK controlled entity except KenyaRe.

In any company you need to know when to jump in and when to jump out.
ARM was a private firm and we all know what happened.

Perhaps if one is a pumper and dumper. Or a trader.

The long-term history of government controlled firms is one of underperformance.

BUT I wish you good luck.


I don't see the need of being a long term investor in a company that was once doing well is on a downward trend.
The moment i see red flags or warning I jump out.

Warren Buffet rules of investing ;
1.Never lose money đź’µ
2.Never forget rule number 1.
Given what you know about KPLC, which has been discussed for years, why would you go in when there are better alternatives?

BUT I wish you good luck.


I am not going into kplc,I was there when things were good.I left when red flags started becoming visible.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#229 Posted : Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33:10 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,103
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Treasury/GoK is the one that messed up KPLC.
Some of the policies that were implemented a few years back are now hurting the company.

I have said it before and I will say it again.
If GoK has control beware the Ides of March. KQ showed me things in 2012.
KPLC had its moments with constant corruption.

I have no significant interest in any GoK controlled entity except KenyaRe.

In any company you need to know when to jump in and when to jump out.
ARM was a private firm and we all know what happened.

Perhaps if one is a pumper and dumper. Or a trader.

The long-term history of government controlled firms is one of underperformance.

BUT I wish you good luck.


I don't see the need of being a long term investor in a company that was once doing well is on a downward trend.
The moment i see red flags or warning I jump out.

Warren Buffet rules of investing ;
1.Never lose money đź’µ
2.Never forget rule number 1.
Given what you know about KPLC, which has been discussed for years, why would you go in when there are better alternatives?

I got burnt with KPLC, KQ, etc and my Saul to Paul transformation happened in 2012-13.

http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...ts&t=10235&p=18 I was in KPLC in 2011.

BUT I wish you good luck.

"Asiyefunzwa na mamake atafunzwa na dunia"
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#230 Posted : Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:35:13 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,103
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Treasury/GoK is the one that messed up KPLC.
Some of the policies that were implemented a few years back are now hurting the company.

I have said it before and I will say it again.
If GoK has control beware the Ides of March. KQ showed me things in 2012.
KPLC had its moments with constant corruption.

I have no significant interest in any GoK controlled entity except KenyaRe.

In any company you need to know when to jump in and when to jump out.
ARM was a private firm and we all know what happened.

Perhaps if one is a pumper and dumper. Or a trader.

The long-term history of government controlled firms is one of underperformance.

BUT I wish you good luck.


I don't see the need of being a long term investor in a company that was once doing well is on a downward trend.
The moment i see red flags or warning I jump out.

Warren Buffet rules of investing ;
1.Never lose money đź’µ
2.Never forget rule number 1.
Given what you know about KPLC, which has been discussed for years, why would you go in when there are better alternatives?

BUT I wish you good luck.


I am not going into kplc,I was there when things were good.I left when red flags started becoming visible.
#TukoPamoja
I stay away from GoK controlled firms though I am in Kenya Re which has its own drama too but I feel uncomfortable, I will sell out!

I enjoy sleeping at night!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#231 Posted : Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:35:39 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,684
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Treasury/GoK is the one that messed up KPLC.
Some of the policies that were implemented a few years back are now hurting the company.

I have said it before and I will say it again.
If GoK has control beware the Ides of March. KQ showed me things in 2012.
KPLC had its moments with constant corruption.

I have no significant interest in any GoK controlled entity except KenyaRe.

In any company you need to know when to jump in and when to jump out.
ARM was a private firm and we all know what happened.

Perhaps if one is a pumper and dumper. Or a trader.

The long-term history of government controlled firms is one of underperformance.

BUT I wish you good luck.


I don't see the need of being a long term investor in a company that was once doing well is on a downward trend.
The moment i see red flags or warning I jump out.

Warren Buffet rules of investing ;
1.Never lose money đź’µ
2.Never forget rule number 1.
Given what you know about KPLC, which has been discussed for years, why would you go in when there are better alternatives?

I got burnt with KPLC, KQ, etc and my Saul to Paul transformation happened in 2012-13.

http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...ts&t=10235&p=18 I was in KPLC in 2011.

BUT I wish you good luck.

"Asiyefunzwa na mamake atafunzwa na dunia"


Pole for getting 🔥 burnt
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
KaunganaDoDo
#232 Posted : Friday, July 17, 2020 7:46:34 AM
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Joined: 8/6/2018
Posts: 299
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Treasury/GoK is the one that messed up KPLC.
Some of the policies that were implemented a few years back are now hurting the company.

I have said it before and I will say it again.
If GoK has control beware the Ides of March. KQ showed me things in 2012.
KPLC had its moments with constant corruption.

I have no significant interest in any GoK controlled entity except KenyaRe.

In any company you need to know when to jump in and when to jump out.
ARM was a private firm and we all know what happened.

Perhaps if one is a pumper and dumper. Or a trader.

The long-term history of government controlled firms is one of underperformance.

BUT I wish you good luck.


I don't see the need of being a long term investor in a company that was once doing well is on a downward trend.
The moment i see red flags or warning I jump out.

Warren Buffet rules of investing ;
1.Never lose money đź’µ
2.Never forget rule number 1.
Given what you know about KPLC, which has been discussed for years, why would you go in when there are better alternatives?

I got burnt with KPLC, KQ, etc and my Saul to Paul transformation happened in 2012-13.

http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...ts&t=10235&p=18 I was in KPLC in 2011.

BUT I wish you good luck.

"Asiyefunzwa na mamake atafunzwa na dunia"


Pole for getting 🔥 burnt


As the covid experts say, we are yet to reach the PEAK, the peak low will be felt towards October when the Financials are out. But the Recovery will be BIG. Tremendous progress is underway by National Treasury. But as the Soothsayer is saying, The IDES OF MARCH HAVE COME...BUT NOT GONE..CAESAR
kawi254
#233 Posted : Friday, July 17, 2020 8:49:10 PM
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Location: Nairobi
sight of faulty procured transformers dumped at KPLC depot at Roysambu off Kamiti road is sad sad.

KPLC says that rural electrification is loss making but in Makueni people buying electricity tokens stay up to 3 months without electric supply forcing people to get D-Light solars. Even when electricity is supplied during the day it is rationed and lights only come back in the evening...i.e you go to mill your maize flour and you can't as all former diesel millers upgraded to electric mill but electricity is not constant...same thing with local welders who when Electricity is off for months they close shop.
murchr
#234 Posted : Friday, July 17, 2020 8:55:34 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
kawi254 wrote:
sight of faulty procured transformers dumped at KPLC depot at Roysambu off Kamiti road is sad sad.

KPLC says that rural electrification is loss making but in Makueni people buying electricity tokens stay up to 3 months without electric supply forcing people to get D-Light solars. Even when electricity is supplied during the day it is rationed and lights only come back in the evening...i.e you go to mill your maize flour and you can't as all former diesel millers upgraded to electric mill but electricity is not constant...same thing with local welders who when Electricity is off for months they close shop.


KPLC is run by thugs. Transformers are rotting away others blowing up and not being replaced yet customers are buying tokens and for those in the old system, still paying bills. The govt is a failure in this, it would help if the majority shareholder moved to some other entity for clean up
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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mulla
#235 Posted : Saturday, July 18, 2020 11:11:30 AM
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Joined: 6/15/2013
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murchr wrote:
kawi254 wrote:
sight of faulty procured transformers dumped at KPLC depot at Roysambu off Kamiti road is sad sad.

KPLC says that rural electrification is loss making but in Makueni people buying electricity tokens stay up to 3 months without electric supply forcing people to get D-Light solars. Even when electricity is supplied during the day it is rationed and lights only come back in the evening...i.e you go to mill your maize flour and you can't as all former diesel millers upgraded to electric mill but electricity is not constant...same thing with local welders who when Electricity is off for months they close shop.


KPLC is run by thugs. Transformers are rotting away others blowing up and not being replaced yet customers are buying tokens and for those in the old system, still paying bills. The govt is a failure in this, it would help if the majority shareholder moved to some other entity for clean up

worst of it all is buying substandard transformers at inflated prices equivalent to high grade western transformers. Cartel of slefish thieves from the top down.
kmucheke
#236 Posted : Sunday, July 19, 2020 7:16:10 PM
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Joined: 3/16/2019
Posts: 313
mulla wrote:
murchr wrote:
kawi254 wrote:
sight of faulty procured transformers dumped at KPLC depot at Roysambu off Kamiti road is sad sad.

KPLC says that rural electrification is loss making but in Makueni people buying electricity tokens stay up to 3 months without electric supply forcing people to get D-Light solars. Even when electricity is supplied during the day it is rationed and lights only come back in the evening...i.e you go to mill your maize flour and you can't as all former diesel millers upgraded to electric mill but electricity is not constant...same thing with local welders who when Electricity is off for months they close shop.


KPLC is run by thugs. Transformers are rotting away others blowing up and not being replaced yet customers are buying tokens and for those in the old system, still paying bills. The govt is a failure in this, it would help if the majority shareholder moved to some other entity for clean up

worst of it all is buying substandard transformers at inflated prices equivalent to high grade western transformers. Cartel of slefish thieves from the top down.


So, in 2016 a local factory was opened to manufacture transformers.
Kenya’s first transformer manufacturing plant, established by the Chinese company Yocean Group, has been officially opened this week in 2016.
Quote:
“The opening of the first factory for manufacturing transformers in the Kenyan market is a milestone. It will end importation of electrical equipment that in some way slowed down power connection in the country,” Kenya’s Cabinet Secretary for Energy and Petroleum, Charles Keter, said at the opening.

A year later ...
Quote:
Kenya Power’s decision to procure transformers from local suppliers has left the utility firm with substandard products that have been linked to the rising cases of power outages and maintenance costs, and have compromised efforts to connect more Kenyans to the national grid.


Quote:
“We have looked at the transformer suppliers and identified a number whose products have proven sub-standard,” said Kenya Power’s managing director Ken Tarus.


Transformers simply consist of a core usually made of iron and windings from copper or aluminium around the core. Both are enclosed and oil may or may not be added for cooling.

That Kenya cannot even assemble quality transformers is a scandal in itself.



KaunganaDoDo
#237 Posted : Monday, July 20, 2020 2:38:56 PM
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Joined: 8/6/2018
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Some board members have been fired. I meant they resigned. Laughing out loudly


NEW KPLC BOARD IS READY
Ericsson
#238 Posted : Monday, July 20, 2020 7:33:21 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,684
Location: NAIROBI
KaunganaDoDo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Some board members have been fired. I meant they resigned. Laughing out loudly


NEW KPLC BOARD IS READY


The new board members are;
Eng Abulrazaqq Ali
Eng Elizabeth Rogo
Caroline Kittony-Waiyaki
Ms Vivienne Yeda
Sachen Gudka

https://mobile.twitter.c...5246303312785410/photo/1
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
murchr
#239 Posted : Monday, July 20, 2020 7:52:18 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
kmucheke wrote:
mulla wrote:
murchr wrote:
kawi254 wrote:
sight of faulty procured transformers dumped at KPLC depot at Roysambu off Kamiti road is sad sad.

KPLC says that rural electrification is loss making but in Makueni people buying electricity tokens stay up to 3 months without electric supply forcing people to get D-Light solars. Even when electricity is supplied during the day it is rationed and lights only come back in the evening...i.e you go to mill your maize flour and you can't as all former diesel millers upgraded to electric mill but electricity is not constant...same thing with local welders who when Electricity is off for months they close shop.


KPLC is run by thugs. Transformers are rotting away others blowing up and not being replaced yet customers are buying tokens and for those in the old system, still paying bills. The govt is a failure in this, it would help if the majority shareholder moved to some other entity for clean up

worst of it all is buying substandard transformers at inflated prices equivalent to high grade western transformers. Cartel of slefish thieves from the top down.


So, in 2016 a local factory was opened to manufacture transformers.
Kenya’s first transformer manufacturing plant, established by the Chinese company Yocean Group, has been officially opened this week in 2016.
Quote:
“The opening of the first factory for manufacturing transformers in the Kenyan market is a milestone. It will end importation of electrical equipment that in some way slowed down power connection in the country,” Kenya’s Cabinet Secretary for Energy and Petroleum, Charles Keter, said at the opening.

A year later ...
Quote:
Kenya Power’s decision to procure transformers from local suppliers has left the utility firm with substandard products that have been linked to the rising cases of power outages and maintenance costs, and have compromised efforts to connect more Kenyans to the national grid.


Quote:
“We have looked at the transformer suppliers and identified a number whose products have proven sub-standard,” said Kenya Power’s managing director Ken Tarus.


Transformers simply consist of a core usually made of iron and windings from copper or aluminium around the core. Both are enclosed and oil may or may not be added for cooling.

That Kenya cannot even assemble quality transformers is a scandal in itself.






Tenderpreneur behind all this. That local company should continue producing until they get it right.

Some form 4 leaver in Muranga is producing and distributing electricity in his village yet Engineers with all distinctions can not even put up a bunch of wires...ha!
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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kmucheke
#240 Posted : Saturday, July 25, 2020 11:25:44 PM
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Save Kenya Power from collapse by Jaindi Kisero in BD.


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The previous board was mainly composed of cronies of influential politicians. Still, the problems at Kenya Power are so deeply ingrained.

The priority of priorities in Kenya Power is addressing balance sheet issues. The shareholders must to something very urgently to clean the company’s balance sheet.

Kenya Power is the only power off-taker for both KenGen and for the independent power producers. When it continues to ail, the ramifications are felt across the board.

Indeed, part of the reason Kenya Power is where it is today is because it — for political reasons — finds it difficult to operate on the basis of full-cost recovery. Failure to subsidise the social tariff has been a big impediment.

The new team can scale up drastically in reducing transmission losses, in reducing theft of electricity by consumers, in collecting debts and in curtailing corruption in procurement.

A great deal can be achieved by eliminating fiefdoms in the ranks of the workforce left by the out-going management and board and in re-introducing clear lines of command in the company. The list of what needs to be done to improve the company’s fortunes is long indeed.

...inject capital to recapitalise the company and consider forging an alliance with a strategic partner that can bring technical expertise and management.

In the long term we must debate whether it really makes sense for Kenya Power and other strategic commercial State corporations to remain listed on the stock exchange.

A monopoly that rakes in more than Sh130 billion a year in revenues, is broke and is now tottering dangerously.

If the government does not take drastic measures to bail out Kenya Power from its current situation, the company will collapse.


All the above issues are not new and the board has its work cut out.

However there still remains the problem of external political interference.
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