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VituVingiSana
#71 Posted : Wednesday, July 08, 2020 11:32:25 AM
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Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
amorphous wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
amorphous wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
What would 1/8 acre cost today after all expenses?
Building is 1mn per the thread. I am the type to get approvals. Just one of those Uzee things.

I am trying to understand the numbers.

15k x 12 = 180k is an impressive 18% p.a. gross but excludes the cost of land.


Plug in 2 metre for the average 1/8th. But please remember if I bought it in 2010, I paid 500k or less for it. And if I hold it for 10 years, it might be going for 20m then. As I said, tis a no brainer between the two (RE vs Casino)

1) We have to use today's value. Some of my shares were purchased kitambo and at very low prices but that's irrelevant since we look forward.
2) Yes, it MIGHT go for 20mn in 10 years. Or not. We do not know.

So using the revised capital input is 3mn. Then 180k/3mn = 6% p.a. though there is potential for the plot but it also needs additional capital to develop assuming you will build a "regular" house vs a SQ.

I use similar logic e.g. Centum which has lots of undeveloped land (FV shown at today's prices/value) and I expect it to generate a cash return in the future.

Good luck.


Good points but umesahau the small issue of my instant one month 100% cap gain on the structure Drool .
The long term cap gain is as good as guaranteed if the past 50+ post independence track record is anything to go bysmile !
Are you saying the 1mn SQ will be valued at 2mn after you finish the construction in 30 days?
In other words, the plot + SQ = 4mn?

If true, then my dear @amorphous, forget the "rent" and sell it off for 4mn. Then buy another plot for 2mn. Rinse and repeat every month. Clear 1mn/month on an initial capital investment of 3mn.
My ROI even in an excellent year cannot match 33%/month. If you can make 33% per month then Applause Applause Applause
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
amorphous
#72 Posted : Wednesday, July 08, 2020 12:00:17 PM
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Joined: 5/15/2019
Posts: 687
Location: planet earth
VituVingiSana wrote:
amorphous wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
amorphous wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
What would 1/8 acre cost today after all expenses?
Building is 1mn per the thread. I am the type to get approvals. Just one of those Uzee things.

I am trying to understand the numbers.

15k x 12 = 180k is an impressive 18% p.a. gross but excludes the cost of land.


Plug in 2 metre for the average 1/8th. But please remember if I bought it in 2010, I paid 500k or less for it. And if I hold it for 10 years, it might be going for 20m then. As I said, tis a no brainer between the two (RE vs Casino)

1) We have to use today's value. Some of my shares were purchased kitambo and at very low prices but that's irrelevant since we look forward.
2) Yes, it MIGHT go for 20mn in 10 years. Or not. We do not know.

So using the revised capital input is 3mn. Then 180k/3mn = 6% p.a. though there is potential for the plot but it also needs additional capital to develop assuming you will build a "regular" house vs a SQ.

I use similar logic e.g. Centum which has lots of undeveloped land (FV shown at today's prices/value) and I expect it to generate a cash return in the future.

Good luck.


Good points but umesahau the small issue of my instant one month 100% cap gain on the structure Drool .
The long term cap gain is as good as guaranteed if the past 50+ post independence track record is anything to go bysmile !
Are you saying the 1mn SQ will be valued at 2mn after you finish the construction in 30 days?
In other words, the plot + SQ = 4mn?

If true, then my dear @amorphous, forget the "rent" and sell it off for 4mn. Then buy another plot for 2mn. Rinse and repeat every month. Clear 1mn/month on an initial capital investment of 3mn.
My ROI even in an excellent year cannot match 33%/month. If you can make 33% per month then Applause Applause Applause



Easy peasy in fact more and I already told you this is a conservative estimate
Why would I sell when I will build more (whether maisonette/apartments) on the same and hold for 50 YEAR CAP GAIN Drool Drool assuming God
lets me live that long. Meanwhile the rents ingia the pockets shwaaa and I hold ZERO LOANS.NO comparison bradda. We have been harping that hapa for years but you casino guys keep opposing us!
In the final analysis, it all boils down to sheer plain old hard work and dogged persistence. Nothing more, nothing less!!
VituVingiSana
#73 Posted : Thursday, July 09, 2020 1:53:33 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
amorphous wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
amorphous wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
amorphous wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
What would 1/8 acre cost today after all expenses?
Building is 1mn per the thread. I am the type to get approvals. Just one of those Uzee things.

I am trying to understand the numbers.

15k x 12 = 180k is an impressive 18% p.a. gross but excludes the cost of land.


Plug in 2 metre for the average 1/8th. But please remember if I bought it in 2010, I paid 500k or less for it. And if I hold it for 10 years, it might be going for 20m then. As I said, tis a no brainer between the two (RE vs Casino)

1) We have to use today's value. Some of my shares were purchased kitambo and at very low prices but that's irrelevant since we look forward.
2) Yes, it MIGHT go for 20mn in 10 years. Or not. We do not know.

So using the revised capital input is 3mn. Then 180k/3mn = 6% p.a. though there is potential for the plot but it also needs additional capital to develop assuming you will build a "regular" house vs a SQ.

I use similar logic e.g. Centum which has lots of undeveloped land (FV shown at today's prices/value) and I expect it to generate a cash return in the future.

Good luck.


Good points but umesahau the small issue of my instant one month 100% cap gain on the structure Drool .
The long term cap gain is as good as guaranteed if the past 50+ post independence track record is anything to go bysmile !
Are you saying the 1mn SQ will be valued at 2mn after you finish the construction in 30 days?
In other words, the plot + SQ = 4mn?

If true, then my dear @amorphous, forget the "rent" and sell it off for 4mn. Then buy another plot for 2mn. Rinse and repeat every month. Clear 1mn/month on an initial capital investment of 3mn.
My ROI even in an excellent year cannot match 33%/month. If you can make 33% per month then Applause Applause Applause



Easy peasy in fact more and I already told you this is a conservative estimate
Why would I sell when I will build more (whether maisonette/apartments) on the same and hold for 50 YEAR CAP GAIN Drool Drool assuming God
lets me live that long. Meanwhile the rents ingia the pockets shwaaa and I hold ZERO LOANS.NO comparison bradda. We have been harping that hapa for years but you casino guys keep opposing us!
Good for you! Warren Buffett should learn from you. If I get 50% in 4 years, I will be thrilled. You can do it in 2 months.

You shouldn't waste time with us on this board. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

You should borrow from banks, even M-Shwari. 33% - 10% = 23% per month!
Why work on just 1 plot? Buy 5 and your savings on materials, labor thanks to economies of scale will improve your margins.

So 5 x 23% x 3mn = 3.5mn/month. Applause Applause Applause That's way more than I can say I make.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
amorphous
#74 Posted : Thursday, July 09, 2020 6:30:05 AM
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Joined: 5/15/2019
Posts: 687
Location: planet earth
VituVingiSana wrote:
Good for you! Warren Buffett should learn from you.


Buffett (your hero) reallly isn't into the beautiful world of RE per se so I doubt he would be interested

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If I get 50% in 4 years, I will be thrilled. You can do it in 2 months.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Typical casino man. 12.5% annualized returns is a big deal to you?? Allow me to Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
What if I told you I can make a near infinity % return on a property depending on how I structure the deal (advanced principles) smile Si utazirai?

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You shouldn't waste time with us on this board. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


How else shall we HAMMER PRACTICAL WISDOM into your headsLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

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You should borrow from banks

I NEVER borrow from NOBADY

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even M-Shwari. 33% - 10% = 23% per month!Why work on just 1 plot? Buy 5 and your savings on materials, labor thanks to economies of scale will improve your margins.

1. Who says I have just one plot? Laughing out loudly
2. "economies of scale will improve your margins." I told you before you are a very briliant straight A type with a dearth of practical wisdom. You work with what you read in books. If a bag of cement is 580 fixed including transport to site, how will economies of scale improve my margins here Laughing out loudly

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So 5 x 23% x 3mn = 3.5mn/month. Applause Applause Applause That's way more than I can say I make.



I rest my casesmile . Join us in RE or perish!!!
In the final analysis, it all boils down to sheer plain old hard work and dogged persistence. Nothing more, nothing less!!
VituVingiSana
#75 Posted : Thursday, July 09, 2020 6:41:08 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
Apart from cement, there are other goods and services one purchases. You can negotiate better rates for these by buying in bulk.

Let's take sinks as an example. Buying 10 sinks of one style at one go vs 1 sink a month. The same applies to tiles, paint, etc.

As for cement, if your needs are greater (10 foundations vs 1) you can order a "mixer" that drops off a lot more at a cheaper rate. Applause
http://www.wolgastcorpor...e-works-in-construction

BUT your biashara is yours. I wish you the best. Applause
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
amorphous
#76 Posted : Thursday, July 09, 2020 7:30:52 AM
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Joined: 5/15/2019
Posts: 687
Location: planet earth
VituVingiSana wrote:
Apart from cement, there are other goods and services one purchases. You can negotiate better rates for these by buying in bulk.

Let's take sinks as an example. Buying 10 sinks of one style at one go vs 1 sink a month. The same applies to tiles, paint, etc.

As for cement, if your needs are greater (10 foundations vs 1) you can order a "mixer" that drops off a lot more at a cheaper rate. Applause
http://www.wolgastcorpor...e-works-in-construction

BUT your biashara is yours. I wish you the best. Applause


What is the cost savings on 5 sinks for 5 maisonettes assuming one costs 5k and I can save 100 bob per sink by buying all 5 at a go? PEANUTS! This model (economies of scale savings) may work very well in the USA and other developed economies where the customers are gouged big at the retail level anyway (as much as 80% markup) Laughing out loudly , so there is a huge price differential in wholesale and retail. In Kiinya with our already dirt cheap decent quality goods from crafty Chinaman the margins are already razor thin at the wholesale level so the savings are minuscule. Another thing; I can actually SAVE MORE by building SLOWER and on a smaller scale one project at a time. Why? I have way lower carrying costs compared to a full scale operation using loans to do the same.

- interest charges on the loans (as high as 20% p.a!)
- overheads for a full time construction crew; labour, food, accommodation (water stima temporary housing) if on site, and so much more
- the level of theft increases exponentially the bigger the project (theft can eat up to 50% of your construction cost if you are not careful!) the list is endless.

But with my mode of operation I am LIGHT AND QUICK on my feet shwaaaaaaaa, conservative and careful, minimising theft to almost zero, building in stages slowly with no loans which is an almost unbeatable running style (trailing the pack to conserve energy) a la PAUL ERENG!
In the final analysis, it all boils down to sheer plain old hard work and dogged persistence. Nothing more, nothing less!!
tony stark
#77 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2020 4:41:19 PM
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Joined: 7/8/2008
Posts: 947
I have witnessed a master.
@VVS thank you for showing me the way in dealing with an engaging with internet trolls. You sir are a master!!!
@Amorphous ... congratulations. Good job!!
winmak
#78 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2020 9:02:04 PM
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Posts: 539
Location: Nakuru
tony stark wrote:
I have witnessed a master.
@VVS thank you for showing me the way in dealing with an engaging with internet trolls. You sir are a master!!!
@Amorphous ... congratulations. Good job!!


Very patient man this vvs
For investors as a whole, returns decrease as motion increases ~ WB
sparkly
#79 Posted : Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:06:56 AM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
winmak wrote:
tony stark wrote:
I have witnessed a master.
@VVS thank you for showing me the way in dealing with an engaging with internet trolls. You sir are a master!!!
@Amorphous ... congratulations. Good job!!


Very patient man this vvs


Agreed. Requires a lot of patience to engage with square feets of amorphous migunda.
Life is short. Live passionately.
amorphous
#80 Posted : Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:11:29 AM
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Posts: 687
Location: planet earth
tony stark wrote:
I have witnessed a master.
@VVS thank you for showing me the way in dealing with an engaging with internet trolls. You sir are a master!!!
@Amorphous ... congratulations. Good job!!



Tony you have got to be JOKING Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Excepting Sparkles, you are the KING of TROLLS apa Wazoo Laughing out loudly

Everybody has a little bit of troll in the them, even VVS !Drool

Although with him he knows when to wisely back down when the heat is too much Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


TOP TROLLS


1. Sparkles (by far) - although he has been behaving lately. It pains him that nobody is interested in his peni mbili, so in order to gain attention on Wazoo, he must latch on to any of its star characters Laughing out loudly Lets see how long he can last on his own Laughing out loudly
2. Tony "nimetoka jela juziLaughing out loudly " Stark. Hit and run type of trolling ( GUERILLA)
3. amorphous - but only retaliatory
4. Jon Jones (alianza na steam lakini ametulia tulii siku hiziLaughing out loudly )
5. Psych..oops I mean Tycho (where did he go?)
6. Mukiri. But when defeated in trolling he goes to lick his wounds for 6 months then returns again with gusto.
7. That guy with a feminine sounding name - nimesahau as his posts are usually not memorable anyway
8. NewMbeca: Likes full frontal assault followed by a redeeming post when cornered Laughing out loudly Very sneaky fellow this one.
Retired trolls:
9. Alphadoti: These days amekimya kiii

NIMESEMA!
In the final analysis, it all boils down to sheer plain old hard work and dogged persistence. Nothing more, nothing less!!
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