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Descendants of Slaves Kidnapped from Kenya
sqft
#16 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2020 9:21:02 AM
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kaka2za wrote:
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It is claimed that one if the reasons that the population of East Africa never was that big was because of the endless slave trade. Given that the east African slave trade started about 700 or so years before the West African one, we must have lost a huge number of people to the Arab caravans.

Unfortunately this history is very hidden and we dont really learn about it in Kenyan history. I remember seeing a black emirati in Dubai and wondering if he might be descended from Kenya.

Here's a story about a Siddi in Pakistan who was the first to be nominated to their parliament. https://www.google.com/a...amp/world-asia-45099970






There isn't much in our oral history about slave raids so they probably never happened.


Slave trade was based at zanzibar and raids were carried out in tanganyika. There are no reports of slave traders such as Tipu tip operating in what became kenyan territory but they would move from bagamoyo all the way to mwanza on lake victoria. Of course shimoni area of kenya which borders TZ was affected. Also it was very difficult to penetrate maasai country to the north of tz and the maasais would rather die than be taken as slaves.
Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
sqft
#17 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2020 9:53:39 AM
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Seems agriculture was very developed in kikuyu country in the 1800s, many yrs before colonialism.

Entry into kikuyu country Pg 302
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A little further tramp uphill through the narrow belt of primæval forest which forms a natural frontier encircling the whole of Kikuyuland, and we found ourselves on its inner edge, looking down upon a
charming landscape, with nothing to recall the dense woods with which it had once been covered but here and there a group of trees or a few stumps some three feet high . From the picturesque little groves still left rose columns of smoke, betraying the presence of native settlements, whilst all around them as far as the eye could reach stretched well-cultivated, undulating pasture-lands, which were a revelation to us, explaining the ease with which the Wakikuyu can supply the needs of the largest caravans.



Pg 315
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In the ravines and valleys flow insignificant streams, and the country is almost bare of trees , but very well cultivated , the more humid valleys with sugar-cane, more rarely with bananas or colocasia ; the hill- slopes with potatoes, beans, gums, millet, tobacco , and so on.


Pg 332
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During our march here (within wakikuyu country) we had passed through districts so carefully and systematically cultivated that we might have been in Europe.


Pg 352
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In the light grey volcanic soil of Kikuyuland grow nearly all the cereals native to East Africa, and it is , in fact, the granary of a very extended district. Several kinds of bananas are grown as well as beans, sugar- cane, maize, potatoes, yams,
eleusine, dhurra, millet (Panicum italicum , L .), mawale ( Pennisetum spicatum ), gourds, colocasia, and tobacco . Of course all these are not equally distributed, millet, beans, and potatoes
being most plentiful in the south , whilst bananas abound in the north and millet is entirely absent.
The occurrence of millet in Kikuyuland is of peculiar
significance , as it has not so far been met with elsewhere in
Africa.

Bananas are seldom allowed to become ripe, and we could rarely get them . They are picked when still green and either cooked for food or dried to make flour. Dhurra, eleusine, and yams are also used for flour. Sugar- cane thrives admirably here, but it does not grow to the great height it attains in
tropical lowlands. The natives chew it and also sometimes make it into an intoxicating beverage.

The Wakikuyu are not only zealous agriculturalists, they also keep bees and breed cattle, sheep, poultry and goats - occassionary castrating the rams - which they are willing to sell, though it is difficult to get them to part with their cattle.
Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
mv_ufanisi
#18 Posted : Thursday, June 25, 2020 8:56:50 PM
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Here's an interesting story about afro Iranians who are mostly descended from slaves captured from East Africa. It's amazing that none of this stuff exists in our history lessons.

https://www.asiabyafrica...-iranians-slavery-legacy
mv_ufanisi
#19 Posted : Thursday, June 25, 2020 8:59:32 PM
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[quote=mv_ufanisi]Here are two books showing some of the earliest journeys into Kenya by European explorers and troublemakers

1. Discovery of Lake Rudolf and Stephanie - the journey by Count Samuel Teleki written by Ludwig von Hohnel which happened circa 1887 and 1888
https://books.google.co....epage&q&f=false

Here is an image of a Kikuyu War Shield which Count Teleki donated to a Hungarian Museum afterwards

https://www.neprajz.hu/e..._kikuyu-war-shield.html

2. Through Jungle and Desert by William Astor Chanler circa 1892
https://www.google.com/b...amp;printsec=frontcover[/quote]

Theres two volumes of the book in no 1.The link given is for Volume II. The link for Volume I is https://books.google.co....%20stefanie&f=false
mv_ufanisi
#20 Posted : Thursday, June 25, 2020 10:03:29 PM
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page 331 vol I

there is an uninhabited district in Kikuyuland because it was deserted to escape from slaving raids by the Kamba. this shows you that some Kikuyu people were captured as slaves and probably sold to the coast by the Kamba just as elsewhere in the text that some Kamba slaves were found among the Kikuyu
madhaquer
#21 Posted : Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:44:49 PM
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I think slavery was a global issue in the pre-colonial periods.
People were raided and enslaved and others got enslaved out of debt or crimes against their rulers.

But the slave trade on the East African coast that was around Malindi and Zanzibar was fuelled by slaves coming from the interior of Tanzania, Malawi and upto the DRC. Remember Tipu Tipu was at one time the governor of Kisangani (then Stanely falls).
It is said that the slave caravans could not survive the interior of what is now Kenya due to the fierce Maasai who controlled the rift valley from Lake Turkana to Dodoma.

There is a book 'The fall of the Congo Arabs' 1863 - 1930 by Hinde Sidney Langford which chronicles the war between the Belgians and the Arabs for control of the Eastern Congo. (Told from the Belgian side of things, makes quite interesting reading on how the Arabs lost their clout.) The author also came to East Africa in 1923 and wrote a book about the Maasai 'The Last of the Masai'. This one chronicles the loss of Maasai dominance after the 1892 Rinderpest outbreak and the subsequent small pox outbreaks

"During the height of their prestige the Masai neither made slaves nor took prisoners on their raiding expeditions : they did not marry, or allow their women to marry, outside the tribe. Members of neighbouring tribes were never permitted to live among, and rarely even to visit, Masai kraals; and if for any reason individuals of the tribe chose to live with alien races, they were not allowed to return to their people. As the Masai were in no sense traders—all their necessaries of life being found within their own borders, and augmented by cattle-lifting from their neighbours—they remained an isolated race.... "

I have digressed! but the author does argue that the Maasai did dominate other races at least in pre British East Africa times...

Under Masai rule are two tribes called the Elgunonu and the Dorrobo, both of which are practically slave races. Though no individual man is a slave, any Masai warrior is entitled to give an order, which must be obeyed, to any member, or members, of either of these tribes. All work thus ordered by the Masai is paid for by them when completed.

The Dorrobo are hunters and carpenters, and it is their especial function to make the shields and prepare the skins required by the Masai


Also interesting

The Wakikuyu are an agricultural race living along the borders of the Masai country. Many years ago, when the Masai owned and ruled all the country, from far into Uganda territory to the coast, the Wakikuyu were in subjection to them, and, in consideration of their usefulness in this capacity, were permitted to live under Masai protection. Since the establishment of European influence, and the decimation of Masai numbers, the Wakikuyu have largely augmented their strength, and now cover a considerable area of land.

Ten Masai boys, or even Wakamba, armed only with bows and arrows, will, however, go through the whole of the Kikuyu country unmolested. In olden days, when the Wakikuyu kidnapped women, for the purpose of selling them to the neighbouring tribes or to the Arabs as slaves, the Masai punished them so severely that order was kept; but since European protection has been extended to them their raiding propensities have increased rather than diminished...
mv_ufanisi
#22 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2020 7:24:09 AM
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madhaquer wrote:
I think slavery was a global issue in the pre-colonial periods.
People were raided and enslaved and others got enslaved out of debt or crimes against their rulers.

But the slave trade on the East African coast that was around Malindi and Zanzibar was fuelled by slaves coming from the interior of Tanzania, Malawi and upto the DRC. Remember Tipu Tipu was at one time the governor of Kisangani (then Stanely falls).
It is said that the slave caravans could not survive the interior of what is now Kenya due to the fierce Maasai who controlled the rift valley from Lake Turkana to Dodoma.

There is a book 'The fall of the Congo Arabs' 1863 - 1930 by Hinde Sidney Langford which chronicles the war between the Belgians and the Arabs for control of the Eastern Congo. (Told from the Belgian side of things, makes quite interesting reading on how the Arabs lost their clout.) The author also came to East Africa in 1923 and wrote a book about the Maasai 'The Last of the Masai'. This one chronicles the loss of Maasai dominance after the 1892 Rinderpest outbreak and the subsequent small pox outbreaks

"During the height of their prestige the Masai neither made slaves nor took prisoners on their raiding expeditions : they did not marry, or allow their women to marry, outside the tribe. Members of neighbouring tribes were never permitted to live among, and rarely even to visit, Masai kraals; and if for any reason individuals of the tribe chose to live with alien races, they were not allowed to return to their people. As the Masai were in no sense traders—all their necessaries of life being found within their own borders, and augmented by cattle-lifting from their neighbours—they remained an isolated race.... "

I have digressed! but the author does argue that the Maasai did dominate other races at least in pre British East Africa times...

Under Masai rule are two tribes called the Elgunonu and the Dorrobo, both of which are practically slave races. Though no individual man is a slave, any Masai warrior is entitled to give an order, which must be obeyed, to any member, or members, of either of these tribes. All work thus ordered by the Masai is paid for by them when completed.

The Dorrobo are hunters and carpenters, and it is their especial function to make the shields and prepare the skins required by the Masai


Also interesting

The Wakikuyu are an agricultural race living along the borders of the Masai country. Many years ago, when the Masai owned and ruled all the country, from far into Uganda territory to the coast, the Wakikuyu were in subjection to them, and, in consideration of their usefulness in this capacity, were permitted to live under Masai protection. Since the establishment of European influence, and the decimation of Masai numbers, the Wakikuyu have largely augmented their strength, and now cover a considerable area of land.

Ten Masai boys, or even Wakamba, armed only with bows and arrows, will, however, go through the whole of the Kikuyu country unmolested. In olden days, when the Wakikuyu kidnapped women, for the purpose of selling them to the neighbouring tribes or to the Arabs as slaves, the Masai punished them so severely that order was kept; but since European protection has been extended to them their raiding propensities have increased rather than diminished...


thanks for this valuable contribution.

based on the much I've read, it seems that slavery used to happen during famines. people would run out of food and they would have no option but to exchange their children and sometimes women for food. additionally, this happened when there was a raid or a war.

Did some of the slaves captured in the interior of Kenya leave via Mombasa or there was only the Zanzibar route?
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#23 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2020 7:26:56 AM
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The Maasai were the Zulus of East Africa. The tribe was very regimented but unfortunately even they seem to have lost a number of their people to slavery. There are blanket claims that trade/salve caravans never penetrated the interior of Kenya but we have many instances of them having visited the interior before the Europeans came.
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#24 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2020 7:34:30 AM
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I find it most interesting that after the long Arab domination in Zanzibar, it took one John Okello from Zanzibar to lead the locals to overthrow the Sultan and put an end to their perhaps 1,000 year long domination at the coast and the chief slave trading centre in East Africa through which perhaps millions of East Africans were sold off"

Field Marshall John Okello was a Lango from Uganda who had lived in Kenya. When he got to Zanzibar he roused the people against their Arab rulers.

"Okello left for Zanzibar in 1963, where he contacted the leaders of the Afro-Shirazi Youth League, the youth organisation of the Afro-Shirazi Party. The Youth League strove for a revolution in order to break the power of the Arabs. On Zanzibar, Okello was also a member of the Painters Union, being a house painter, which gave a regular salary and allowed to move around the island, supposedly giving speeches at union branches, but in reality to organize a revolution to overthrow the sultan. In his free time, he built up a small army of determined African nationalists. This army was required to hold themselves to the strict rules of Okello: sexual abstinence, no raw meat, and no alcohol.

The highly religious Okello was convinced he had been given orders in his dreams by God to break the powerful position of the Arabs and to find a revolutionary state on Zanzibar and Pemba. Okello also said that he received orders from God, when still in Uganda, by how he observed the position of stones in a stream." ...

"On 12 January 1964, with popular support from the island's native African majority, Okello and his men fought their way to the capital of Zanzibar, Stone Town, where the sultan lived. Even though they were poorly armed, Okello and his men surprised the police force of Zanzibar and they took power."

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Okello

So ended the reign of the Arab rulers of the East African coast and the centre of the East African slave trade.
mv_ufanisi
#25 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2020 7:48:19 AM
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The Masai and Kikuyu seem to have had an interesting history with each other a mix of friendship, enmity & assimilation.

For example Waiyaki Way is named after Waiyaki wa Hinga who was actually originally a Masai named Koiyaki who got assimilated & became a Kikuyu during the Masai clan wars. Because of this reason, many Kikuyu families will have Masai blood. Many names among Kikuyu people such as Nyokabi, Wokabi were given to assimilated Masai people.
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#26 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2020 9:55:19 AM
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It is untrue Waiyaki and his brother Githieya were Maasais. His father was Hinga wa Ngekenya and the mother was Ngina, also known as Nyambutu.

Captain Fredrick Lugard arrived at Waiyakis territory in Dagoretti on October 10, 1890, on his way to Uganda.

On arrival, Lugard acting on behalf of Imperial British East African Company (IBEA), made a treaty with Waiyaki, and was given land at Kihumo and constructed a fort where Kihumo PCEA church stands today.
Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
kaka2za
#27 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2020 10:01:55 AM
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sqft wrote:
It is untrue Waiyaki and his brother Githieya were Maasais. His father was Hinga wa Ngekenya and the mother was Ngina, also known as Nyambutu.

It is on Waiyaki’s land that Captain Fredrick Lugard arrived in Dagoretti on October 10, 1890, on his way to Uganda.

On arrival, Lugard acting on behalf of Imperial British East African Company (IBEA), made a treaty with Waiyaki, and was given land at Kihumo and constructed a fort where Kihumo PCEA church stands today.


That actually doesn't prove that he wasn't a Maasai. Any captured children would be assimilated in the family.
Even Jomo's grandmother was a Maasai
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
mv_ufanisi
#28 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2020 10:29:41 AM
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sqft wrote:
It is untrue Waiyaki and his brother Githieya were Maasais. His father was Hinga wa Ngekenya and the mother was Ngina, also known as Nyambutu.

Captain Fredrick Lugard arrived at Waiyakis territory in Dagoretti on October 10, 1890, on his way to Uganda.

On arrival, Lugard acting on behalf of Imperial British East African Company (IBEA), made a treaty with Waiyaki, and was given land at Kihumo and constructed a fort where Kihumo PCEA church stands today.


You should read the book "Muthamaki Waiyaki wa Hinga" written by Lawyer Njoroge Regeru who is one of his descendants where he says that Waiyaki wa Hinga came from Masailand. You can check out an article written on the Nairobi Law Monthly about this book - https://nairobilawmonthl...-wa-hinga-to-maa-roots/

According to the book Waiyaki was a full blooded Masai that escaped into Kikuyuland.

Confirming this is Wambui Otieno

Though it is not possible to say when Waiyaki was born, one of his great grand daughters, Wambui Otieno in her book, Mau Mau Daughter, A Life History, gives credence to Waiyaiki’s Maasai lineage.

According to Wambui, Waiyaki’s parents had migrated from Maasai in the mid 19th century and were adopted by the Gathecha family, where Jomo Kenyatta later got his fourth wife, Mama Ngina.

Wambui explains that Waiyaki forged closer ties with the original owners of the land in Dagoretti, the Dorobo, also known as Olgiek, from where he was to marry.
sqft
#29 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2020 11:08:39 AM
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mv_ufanisi wrote:
The Maasai were the Zulus of East Africa. The tribe was very regimented but unfortunately even they seem to have lost a number of their people to slavery. There are blanket claims that trade/salve caravans never penetrated the interior of Kenya but we have many instances of them having visited the interior before the Europeans came.


Before the coming of europeans, there were trade caravans all the way from zanzibar to lake baringo where traders got ivory mainly from wadorobo and njemps. Infact early explorers used to hire in zanzibar guides who had previously gone on caravans and were thus farmiliar with the route inland. The caravan route was from zanzibar, to pangani (TZ coast), taveta, ngong, naivasha to lake baringo. Note that taveta and ngong were the major points where caravans could get food. At taveta food was sold by the wataveta while at ngong food was from wakikuyu.

Also note that the wakikuyu were more feared than the maasai coz caravans (and explorers) could go through masailand but not through kikuyuland.

Count Teleki book 1889 pg 287

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Before our arrival little was really known about the land or the people of Kikuyu. There were count-less tales afloat of the fierceness and hostility of the natives.

A caravan from Mombasa, it was said, had attempted, a few years ago, to enter Kikuyu from the east, and had been destroyed. Since then no traders had dared to venture within range of the poisoned arrows, which natives hidden in the dense woods were reported to shoot at every intruder in their land.

And two of the men with us assured us that Dr. G. Fischer had had to fight every inch of his way when he crossed this redoubtable district somewhere in the north, on his way to the coast from Kavirondo. Moreover the Masai had shaken their heads when we spoke of our intentions, so that there seemed
reasons enough for us to change our minds about going to Mt Kenia by way of Kikuyu.


Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
sqft
#30 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2020 11:21:38 AM
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mv_ufanisi wrote:
sqft wrote:
It is untrue Waiyaki and his brother Githieya were Maasais. His father was Hinga wa Ngekenya and the mother was Ngina, also known as Nyambutu.

Captain Fredrick Lugard arrived at Waiyakis territory in Dagoretti on October 10, 1890, on his way to Uganda.

On arrival, Lugard acting on behalf of Imperial British East African Company (IBEA), made a treaty with Waiyaki, and was given land at Kihumo and constructed a fort where Kihumo PCEA church stands today.


You should read the book "Muthamaki Waiyaki wa Hinga" written by Lawyer Njoroge Regeru who is one of his descendants.

Confirming this is Wambui Otieno




I prefer reading my history from books written in the 1800s by the explorers coz they record facts as they were at the time not books written in 2010 by so called descendants.

Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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