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Is MSC diversifying for post COMESA period??
Ephy
#1 Posted : Monday, July 05, 2010 6:09:30 PM
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My question regards MSC and what it is doing to ensure its profitability and ability to compete competitively after the COMESA treaty expires in 2012 meaning unlimited export of sugar from comesa countires into Kenya?

Will their investment or proposed investment in ethanol,water and the current electricity generation be enough with foreseable increased competition?

With that in mind,what is the projected price of this share with a longeterm perspective?
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Kesh!
#2 Posted : Monday, July 05, 2010 11:22:32 PM
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i stand to be corrected coz i dont have the info first hand and anything i say may need verification. first lof all personally i think that they will do good with the TARDA (production of their own cane) which will increase reliability of deliveries of cane since its them producing and also reduce reliance on rain for cane (that's the case by farmers currently) and volumes due to short maturity period of the cane. plus the power production will help in two ways reduce power cost and increase revenue from the excess they sell. plus i think many times av heard of shortage of sugar so high prices. now anyone with figures can tell us if the mkwanja saved and/or generated from these sources are enough to stave off competition.
the deal
#3 Posted : Monday, July 05, 2010 11:48:48 PM
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this stock made at stocksmaster famous...that was the time to board...at this prices its long long term buy like kengen...but if ir dips to 10-11 bob one can buy...
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, July 06, 2010 4:00:13 AM
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It is a complicated one... but the government owned sugar firms will die before Mumias is affected...

There is COMESA, power, ethanol... all these combined make it tough to figure out the future BUT it looks better than last year... The price is also higher then last year...
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Ephy
#5 Posted : Tuesday, July 06, 2010 12:25:38 PM
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@The Deal: i agree,but how long is longterm? For instance i can say,Kengen is for someone looking for >6years because all Kengen can do now is invest their money.In projection of the demand for enegry they are waaaaay below expectations. @VVS: Yes,though i think if they can speed up up acquisitions of the govt. owned sugar firms,it can help a lot.This is one share that can perform very well in 2yrs if the management is sharp enough.It can be what Dangote sugar mills is to Nigeria.
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VituVingiSana
#6 Posted : Tuesday, July 06, 2010 12:46:31 PM
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@ephy - Dangote has 'benefits' not available to Mumias...
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Kesh!
#7 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:27:53 PM
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@vvs... what benefits are those that Dangote has that mumias doesn't plus how long is the loan to mumias to build the cogen plant likely to take to be repaid?
Kesh!
#8 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:07:47 PM
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@vvs... what benefits are those that Dangote has that mumias doesn't plus how long is the loan to mumias to build the cogen plant likely to take to be repaid?
winston
#9 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:59:58 PM
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The Key difference between Comesa and Mumias sugar is presumably the price. Comesa being cheaper.

The Tarda project will significantly alter the price dynamics. World sugar is cheaper because of efficient machines, plantation (largescale) farming, early maturing varieties and low altitude farms.

All these factors are/will be present with Tarda project. So in the long term Mumias will be able to compete with Comesa sugar.

There was a proposal to blend ethanol with gasoline by the goverment. This will benefit Mumias too.
youcan'tstopusnow
#10 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:27:45 PM
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Aliko Dangote has been connected to the very top officials of Nigeria's Administration for a long time. He is a personal friend of Obasanjo.
We all know how corrupt Nigeria is.
Note that I'm not saying that the Dangote Group acquired their money through questionable means, but they might be gaining some undue advantage from Aliko's connections.
Maybe these are the "benefits" VVS was talking about.
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youcan'tstopusnow
#11 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:31:21 PM
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Ephy wrote:
With that in mind,what is the projected price of this share with a longeterm perspective?

I think below 13 would be a great time to enter. As the results near, it is bound to rise.
Mumias Sugar has so many projects for the future. I would say it is a FANTASTIC SHARE FOR THE LONG TERM
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2012
#12 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:49:42 PM
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By the way, why would sugar imported from other COMESA countries be cheaper? Mumias can't complain about electricity cost like all other industries. So is it because of the cost of cane from farmers or is it inferior technology?

BBI will solve it
:)
Gordon Gekko
#13 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:23:34 PM
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@winston, sugar levy and VAT make Kenya sugar uncompetitive. @youcant, H2 results are not as good as H1, so I don't expect significant price appreciation.
guru267
#14 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:28:19 PM
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@Ephy MSC is a very good long term buy long term for a number of reasons..

1. they have $300million or 25billion shillings set aside for acquisitions around east africa

2. they are planning to diversify their income into bottled water and ethanol production..

3. they are planning to increase their extremely high margin co generation (around 80%) from 38MW to 50MW by next year...

4. they have a major aim of increasing their sugar production and reducing costs...

5. from an economic point of view as the population shoots up around EA demand for sugar follows suit..

the major reason people view this share as expensive is because it was at 3bob last year.. but i have this to say... this stock can easily rally to 20bob this year if all goes to plan...
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guru267
#15 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:42:38 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
@winston, sugar levy and VAT make Kenya sugar uncompetitive. @youcant, H2 results are not as good as H1, so I don't expect significant price appreciation.


@GG hate when people look at percentages instead of the actual numbers...

in the case of mumias H2 will not have 560% profit growth but it will be equal to H1 because it will earn 1.5billion+ in both halves... giving a 40% profit growth for the year...
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the deal
#16 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:59:59 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
@winston, sugar levy and VAT make Kenya sugar uncompetitive. @youcant, H2 results are not as good as H1, so I don't expect significant price appreciation.


@GG hate when people look at percentages instead of the actual numbers...

in the case of mumias H2 will not have 560% profit growth but it will be equal to H1 because it will earn 1.5billion+ in both halves... giving a 40% profit growth for the year...

ja thats the thing a 40% growth in profits for 2010...probably a 0.50 dividend...@ the current prices MSC is fully priced...probably a 10% rally on the announcement of the results...if MSC is to reach 20 bob maybe Jan 2011 depending on 1H results...anyways Prof how far is the TARDA project coz Comesa is 2012....
winston
#17 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:20:36 PM
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guru267 wrote:


the major reason people view this share as expensive is because it was at 3bob last year.. but i have this to say... this stock can easily rally to 20bob this year if all goes to plan...


@Guru - Am with you on this. Viewed differently if MSC were to have an 'IPO' at 12.70 (current price) and given all the facts/fundamentals would one buy now? I would say yes.
guru267
#18 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:04:36 PM
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the deal wrote:

ja thats the thing a 40% growth in profits for 2010...probably a 0.50 dividend...@ the current prices MSC is fully priced...probably a 10% rally on the announcement of the results...if MSC is to reach 20 bob maybe Jan 2011 depending on 1H results...anyways Prof how far is the TARDA project coz Comesa is 2012....


i expect a 0.6 dividend not 0.5 and 40% growth will give a P/E of around 8... i'm in this stock for the long term but i do expect more than a 10% rally after results
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guru267
#19 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:06:10 PM
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the deal wrote:

ja thats the thing a 40% growth in profits for 2010...probably a 0.50 dividend...@ the current prices MSC is fully priced...probably a 10% rally on the announcement of the results...if MSC is to reach 20 bob maybe Jan 2011 depending on 1H results...anyways Prof how far is the TARDA project coz Comesa is 2012....


i expect a 0.6 dividend not 0.5 and 40% growth will give a P/E of around 8... i'm in this stock for the long term but i do expect more than a 10% rally after results
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
VituVingiSana
#20 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 1:14:35 AM
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A widely held stock so the ups & downs are limited due to buying + selling competition... Unfortunately, the route of sugar passes thru RV which is a prime area for Referendoom violence... See PEV 2008...
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