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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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amorphous wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Value investing isn't a "US" strategy. It has been around for as long as investing has. My grandfather probably never heard of the term "value investing" but he knew value when investing. Stop trying too hard to get people to sign onto programs/training that offers lessons in "Technical Analysis" at a fee.  Do you even understand what value investing as described in the OP's article is? Apparently, you even thought "Value Investing" is a US-gleaned strategy. So what were the Europeans doing before the "Value Investors" in the USA showed up? That said, I am open to what your interpretation is. Please explain where we are wrong. Thank you. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/15/2019 Posts: 678 Location: planet earth
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VituVingiSana wrote:amorphous wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Value investing isn't a "US" strategy. It has been around for as long as investing has. My grandfather probably never heard of the term "value investing" but he knew value when investing. Stop trying too hard to get people to sign onto programs/training that offers lessons in "Technical Analysis" at a fee. Do you even understand what value investing as described in the OP's article is? Apparently, you even thought "Value Investing" is a US-gleaned strategy. So what were the Europeans doing before the "Value Investors" in the USA showed up? - The CBK does not maintain a de facto peg to the dollar, because the shilling moved from 100 to 108, it maybe maintains a peg to other things including the euro - The Fed and its policies are rubbish when it comes to domestic investing here in Kenya - We can talk all we want about BV, P/E, P/B, value investing etc ad nauseum here in Wazua, but nope! All these concepts were not invented in the USA. My guka was practicing them and so were the Europeans hapo zamani za kale You are Wazua's chief investing braniac indeed - Age and family mellows us all over time
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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amorphous wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:amorphous wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Value investing isn't a "US" strategy. It has been around for as long as investing has. My grandfather probably never heard of the term "value investing" but he knew value when investing. Stop trying too hard to get people to sign onto programs/training that offers lessons in "Technical Analysis" at a fee. Do you even understand what value investing as described in the OP's article is? Apparently, you even thought "Value Investing" is a US-gleaned strategy. So what were the Europeans doing before the "Value Investors" in the USA showed up? - The CBK does not maintain a de facto peg to the dollar, because the shilling moved from 100 to 108, it maybe maintains a peg to other things including the euro - The Fed and its policies are rubbish when it comes to domestic investing here in Kenya - We can talk all we want about BV, P/E, P/B, value investing etc ad nauseum here in Wazua, but nope! All these concepts were not invented in the USA. My guka was practicing them and so were the Europeans hapo zamani za kale You are Wazua's chief investing braniac indeed - Maisha ni ngumu, eh? I am waiting for the: Let me teach you the secrets of trading in FX for only KES 10k Let me teach you the secrets of technical analysis for only KES 10k I can teach you how to invest in cryptos for a special rate. Let's not forget the 50x100 We have seen many like you come & go. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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amorphous wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:amorphous wrote:Wazua never fails to amuse. Are you guys only discovering this today? Were you not warned years back? Have you not read the "first world markets shenanigans" thread? How can value investing work when the rules of basic economics have long been thrown out of the window by the Fed? The problem with most of you is that you are very sharp academic types, meaning serious obeyers of rules and orders you are fed through books and newspapers like the WSJ.That is how you got beautifulbut useless A's from primo to Masters level. When it comes to practical living, thinking and acting you are fishes way out of water. Comical, really Kenya is not the USA. This is an amazing statement. What you are saying is that the Fed does not matter even though the dollar is the world's reserve currency and our very own CBK maintains a defacto peg to it Simply incredible that you think that what the Fed does has zero impact on Kenya Dear @Amorphous, How does a de facto currency peg work? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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VituVingiSana wrote: Maisha ni ngumu, eh? I am waiting for the: Let me teach you the secrets of trading in FX for only KES 10k Let me teach you the secrets of technical analysis for only KES 10k I can teach you how to invest in cryptos for a special rate. Let's not forget the 50x100 We have seen many like you come & go. When all else fails adopt a straw-man argument strategy. My ribs! Age and family mellows us all over time
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/15/2019 Posts: 678 Location: planet earth
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Dear @Amorphous,
How does a de facto currency peg work?
You are more illiterate than I thought . What does this look like to you? Do you think according to the laws of economics and currencies that it is NORMAL and EXPECTED for a currency to roam within a very narrow band for 3 years without an interventionist central bank de facto pegging one currency to another?  Age and family mellows us all over time
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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amorphous wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:
Dear @Amorphous,
How does a de facto currency peg work?
You are more illiterate than I thought . What does this look like to you? Do you think according to the laws of economics and currencies that it is NORMAL and EXPECTED for a currency to roam within a very narrow band for 3 years without an interventionist central bank de facto pegging one currency to another? Thank you for answering your own question. Now how does a de facto currency peg work? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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amorphous wrote:VituVingiSana wrote: Maisha ni ngumu, eh? I am waiting for the: Let me teach you the secrets of trading in FX for only KES 10k Let me teach you the secrets of technical analysis for only KES 10k I can teach you how to invest in cryptos for a special rate. Let's not forget the 50x100 We have seen many like you come & go. When all else fails adopt a straw-man argument strategy. My ribs! Stop tanga-tangaing but do give us your pitch when you are ready. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/15/2019 Posts: 678 Location: planet earth
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Thank you for answering your own question. Now how does a de facto currency peg work?
If you still have to ask after the chart above then who can help you? As I said hapo juu earlier. You chaps were the "straight A" students who smashed exams with A, A, A, A, A fuaa but ended up neither well rounded nor having practical wisdom. This is why I can bet with 1 00% confidence level that not only do you work for an employer ( ) but also stare at your boss's face daily knowing full well that they performed way worse in school than you yet lord over your every move. Kweli/rongo?  Age and family mellows us all over time
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/15/2019 Posts: 678 Location: planet earth
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VituVingiSana wrote:When all else fails adopt a straw-man argument strategy. My ribs! Stop tanga-tangaing but do give us your pitch when you are ready. [/quote] Look who is talking You are the QUEEN of the term on this thread Age and family mellows us all over time
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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amorphous wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:
Thank you for answering your own question. Now how does a de facto currency peg work?
If you still have to ask after the chart above then who can help you? As I said hapo juu earlier. You chaps were the "straight A" students who smashed exams with A, A, A, A, A fuaa but ended up neither well rounded nor having practical wisdom. This is why I can bet with 1 00% confidence level that not only do you work for an employer ( ) but also stare at your boss's face daily knowing full well that they performed way worse in school than you yet lord over your every move. Kweli/rongo? Uwongo 100% Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/15/2019 Posts: 678 Location: planet earth
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VituVingiSana wrote: Uwongo 100% Sawa, if you say so in public, but in your heart of hearts you know this to be true Age and family mellows us all over time
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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amorphous wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:When all else fails adopt a straw-man argument strategy. My ribs! Stop tanga-tangaing but do give us your pitch when you are ready. Look who is talking You are the QUEEN of the term on this thread [/quote] You have been flushed out. My job here is done.  Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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amorphous wrote:VituVingiSana wrote: Uwongo 100% Sawa, if you say so in public, but in your heart of hearts you know this to be true You are 100% wrong thanks to "Value Investing" Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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VVS regularly posts his shares at NSE and the reason for purchase, sale or holding/ core and others. He has been clear on this and even cases where he has lost, has admitted his mistakes. That is a plus for him in this discussion. Being employed is a choice, it is what you do to develop yourself as an individual that matter. Ni hayo tu!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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S.Mutaga III wrote:There are several threads on this forum by people like Stocksmaster proving that value investing works. Most of us guys just don't know how to find value. That's the problem.
However, I think value investing is a lot harder in first world developed markets because there are too many hedge funds and professionals with billions of cash looking for value. That makes it a lot harder to find. @S.Mutaga III. What are you buying/have you bought this year 2020? What was your entry price and when/what price are you exiting? Thanks in advance Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/15/2019 Posts: 678 Location: planet earth
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VituVingiSana wrote:amorphous wrote:VituVingiSana wrote: Uwongo 100% Sawa, if you say so in public, but in your heart of hearts you know this to be true You are 100% wrong thanks to "Value Investing"  I know, I know....Miroos are the worst! Age and family mellows us all over time
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/15/2019 Posts: 678 Location: planet earth
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VituVingiSana proudly bragged that they are not an employee yet had has been caught red-handed complaining of mshahara woes . If you believe that "they got rich" through creaking NSE hisa in the past 11 years yet NSE has been dropping like a stone throughout then you too cannot be helped for believing Vituvingi. Have you ever met Vitu? The internet is a very funny place full of made up stories Age and family mellows us all over time
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2018 Posts: 564 Location: Britain
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amorphous wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:When all else fails adopt a straw-man argument strategy. My ribs! Stop tanga-tangaing but do give us your pitch when you are ready. Look who is talking You are the QUEEN of the term on this thread [/quote] No, there can only be one Queen here.
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