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William Ruto is NOT going to be President in 2022
sqft
#1276 Posted : Friday, May 15, 2020 3:02:15 PM
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Wananchi want dynasties.



Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
sqft
#1277 Posted : Friday, May 15, 2020 3:16:35 PM
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Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
Angelica _ann
#1278 Posted : Friday, May 15, 2020 5:06:56 PM
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sqft wrote:
Wananchi want dynasties.





This video is an old clip embedded in a 'fresh' tweet, anyway doesn't matter.

How many general elections have this guy with his odomodomo followers of Raila aka Baba lost so far; 1997, 2007, 2013, 2017 (twice).

You can also add when Kijana beat him to clinch Ford Kenya Chair.

We will still beat him any day, any time!!!!!!


The guy in the clip with his folks are just talk, talk talk, with no IDs, no Huduma Number, not registered as voters, the registered - poor voter turn out etc.

Bring it on.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
mv_ufanisi
#1279 Posted : Friday, May 15, 2020 5:33:00 PM
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Allow me to interrupt the almost "Arsenal vs Man U" arguments going on here.

One of the great mysteries of democracy is why it tends to spark such a strong emotional reaction in most people leading to the loss of reason. So for example the politicians here in Kenya have somehow managed to exclude everyone else from leadership such that leadership here now revolves around a small group of men and women whose number is less than 10 or to be generous 20. This very small number of people basically make all the decisions that 50 million Kenyans have to deal with. And the result is that they are in an endless game of thrones like situation and we all get so sucked in emotionally into it that we can't pause and think about "Why are we even doing this?"

So then it completely becomes a game where all must choose a team to support - not very different from English PL teams. Hence the Arsenal vs Man U analogy.

And the whole time, the elephant in the room which is ensuring the prosperity of Kenyan citizens is completely ignored. More and more of the world seems to be heading in that same direction - the US with Trump is a perfect example of this phenomenon.

Even the most sophisticated and educated of us are unable to resist the pull of identity based politics.

It doesn't matter who will eventually win in 2022, but it's most likely that we will still be left with a low performing country where citizens continue to suffer the effects of poor governance. But half of us will be happy that our team "won" while the other half will be waiting for a round 2.
murchr
#1280 Posted : Friday, May 15, 2020 9:05:03 PM
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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Angelica _ann
#1281 Posted : Friday, May 15, 2020 9:48:27 PM
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murchr wrote:


If majority of Kenyans fall for this in the name of supporting dynasty, then we are a jinxed nation.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Ngalaka
#1282 Posted : Saturday, May 16, 2020 10:47:41 AM
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Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
sqft
#1283 Posted : Saturday, May 16, 2020 11:47:17 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
sqft wrote:
Wananchi want dynasties.





This video is an old clip embedded in a 'fresh' tweet, anyway doesn't matter.

How many general elections have this guy with his odomodomo followers of Raila aka Baba lost so far; 1997, 2007, 2013, 2017 (twice).

You can also add when Kijana beat him to clinch Ford Kenya Chair.

We will still beat him any day, any time!!!!!!


The guy in the clip with his folks are just talk, talk talk, with no IDs, no Huduma Number, not registered as voters, the registered - poor voter turn out etc.

Bring it on.


Kwa ground vitu ni different, from the lake to the mountain, and they are bringing it onsmile .


Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
kaka2za
#1284 Posted : Saturday, May 16, 2020 4:34:57 PM
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From Kieleweke tu hatukipatiani!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VnkLsOVFzY

The Silly season has started so early!
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
sqft
#1285 Posted : Saturday, May 16, 2020 5:00:37 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:


If majority of Kenyans fall for this in the name of supporting dynasty, then we are a jinxed nation.


Uhuru (and his brother Raila) will show us the way. That is why we elected him to lead us.
Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
aemathenge
#1286 Posted : Saturday, May 16, 2020 7:28:16 PM
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Points to ponder.

A copy and paste opinion-commentary from the The Sub-Standard.

Quote:
Jubilee Implosion A big Boost To Governance

By KEN OPALO | May 16th, 2020 at 01:15:20 GMT +0300

When politicians are happy with each other, be afraid.

Contestation is a core feature, not a bug, of politics.

Politicians hold each other accountable when they disagree.

It is only under such conditions that they are likely to demand transparency and pander to the public’s concerns.

But when they agree, they often collude to steal from the public.

Consider the example of the Standard Gauge Railway.

What if the debate had gone something like this: Government: We want to build a brand-new railway line.

Opposition: Why do that instead of building a road network that will serve farmers and actually increase productivity?

The opposition would, of course, be motivated by selfish concerns.

Either way, the point is that the debate would bring to the table the need for government policy to meet Kenyans where they live and work, and would force the government to justify its actions.

Perhaps then, we might have had a more rational debate about priority infrastructure investments.

We may have avoided the sky-high debt that we now have, in addition to a financially unviable railway line.

Why did this not happen in early 2013? Because we have a rudderless opposition and significant Jubilee dominance to allow budgets without input from the opposition.

Within Jubilee, there was full agreement on wasteful infrastructure investments that were really about making money for a few connected people.

The railway, Galana-Kulalu, phantom dams and roads, one-laptop-per-child, the last mile electricity connectivity scarcely went through any scrutiny because of intra-Jubilee consensus.

As our public debt climbs to more than 60 percent of GDP, we are reminded of the tremendous fiscal harm that the Jubilee consensus wrought on the economy.

It will take us several years to grow our way out, and streamline public finance management systems.

It is for that reason that we should all welcome the slow-motion implosion of the Jubilee Party.

As President Uhuru Kenyatta battles his Deputy William Ruto, seemingly irreparable differences have emerged.

Notably, Kenyatta’s faction is now a minority in both Houses of Parliament.

Ruto’s allies are believed to comprise more than half of the 171 Jubilee legislatures in the National Assembly, and a plurality of Senators.

Moving forward, to get anything past the president must negotiate with non-Jubilee legislators.

Coalition agreements with different parties notwithstanding, Kenyatta will now have to negotiate with MPs to get his agenda through Bunge.

No longer will he just convene a Jubilee Parliamentary Group (PG) meeting and whip legislators into voting for his preferred outcomes.

For perspective, the share of executive bills passed saw a significant decline during the grand coalition government.

Back then, Kibaki’s Party of National Unity (PNU) was a minority party, similar to the current status of Uhuru’s Jubilee faction.

All this should provide an opening for legislative strengthening.

Executive machinations to control leadership positions in Parliament are an affront to the principle of separation of powers.

We live in a presidential system -- Parliament is a separate and co-equal branch of government.

If MPs want to preserve their autonomy, they must rework their standing orders to limit extra-parliamentary control of their leadership.

As things stand, party leaders appoint speakers and the entire legislative leadership.

Bunge should take this power back.

And what better time than now when Jubilee’s “tyranny of numbers” is eroding?


Source link from The Sub-Standard: https://new.standardmedi...-big-boost-to-governance
Angelica _ann
#1287 Posted : Saturday, May 16, 2020 7:39:11 PM
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[quote=aemathenge]Points to ponder.

A copy and paste opinion-commentary from the The Sub-Standard.

Quote:
Jubilee Implosion A big Boost To Governance

By KEN OPALO | May 16th, 2020 at 01:15:20 GMT +0300

When politicians are happy with each other, be afraid.

Contestation is a core feature, not a bug, of politics.

Politicians hold each other accountable when they disagree.

It is only under such conditions that they are likely to demand transparency and pander to the public’s concerns.

But when they agree, they often collude to steal from the public.

Consider the example of the Standard Gauge Railway.

What if the debate had gone something like this: Government: We want to build a brand-new railway line.

Opposition: Why do that instead of building a road network that will serve farmers and actually increase productivity?

The opposition would, of course, be motivated by selfish concerns.

Either way, the point is that the debate would bring to the table the need for government policy to meet Kenyans where they live and work, and would force the government to justify its actions.

Perhaps then, we might have had a more rational debate about priority infrastructure investments.

We may have avoided the sky-high debt that we now have, in addition to a financially unviable railway line.

Why did this not happen in early 2013? Because we have a rudderless opposition and significant Jubilee dominance to allow budgets without input from the opposition.

Within Jubilee, there was full agreement on wasteful infrastructure investments that were really about making money for a few connected people.

The railway, Galana-Kulalu, phantom dams and roads, one-laptop-per-child, the last mile electricity connectivity scarcely went through any scrutiny because of intra-Jubilee consensus.

As our public debt climbs to more than 60 percent of GDP, we are reminded of the tremendous fiscal harm that the Jubilee consensus wrought on the economy.

It will take us several years to grow our way out, and streamline public finance management systems.

It is for that reason that we should all welcome the slow-motion implosion of the Jubilee Party.

As President Uhuru Kenyatta battles his Deputy William Ruto, seemingly irreparable differences have emerged.

Notably, Kenyatta’s faction is now a minority in both Houses of Parliament.

Ruto’s allies are believed to comprise more than half of the 171 Jubilee legislatures in the National Assembly, and a plurality of Senators.

Moving forward, to get anything past the president must negotiate with non-Jubilee legislators.

Coalition agreements with different parties notwithstanding, Kenyatta will now have to negotiate with MPs to get his agenda through Bunge.

No longer will he just convene a Jubilee Parliamentary Group (PG) meeting and whip legislators into voting for his preferred outcomes.

For perspective, the share of executive bills passed saw a significant decline during the grand coalition government.

Back then, Kibaki’s Party of National Unity (PNU) was a minority party, similar to the current status of Uhuru’s Jubilee faction.

All this should provide an opening for legislative strengthening.

Executive machinations to control leadership positions in Parliament are an affront to the principle of separation of powers.

We live in a presidential system -- Parliament is a separate and co-equal branch of government.

If MPs want to preserve their autonomy, they must rework their standing orders to limit extra-parliamentary control of their leadership.

As things stand, party leaders appoint speakers and the entire legislative leadership.

Bunge should take this power back.

And what better time than now when Jubilee’s “tyranny of numbers” is eroding?


Source link from The Sub-Standard: https://new.standardmedi...big-boost-to-governance[/quote]

I don't agree, webe ni ure ure - we were told over and over. Let opposition relax, there would have been shouts now that they are sabotaging non existence 'jubilee's development plans and efforts'.

Really liked Jimmy defending Lusaka on the floor against Murkomen and team, let Jubilee work in peace until 2022. smile
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
aemathenge
#1288 Posted : Saturday, May 16, 2020 8:12:18 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
I don't agree, webe ni ure ure - we were told over and over. Let opposition relax, there would have been shouts now that they are sabotaging non existence 'jubilee's development plans and efforts'.

Really liked Jimmy defending Lusaka on the floor against Murkomen and team, let Jubilee work in peace until 2022. smile


In that case, I leave you in the hands of a Lady whose proficiency in crafting an article has left me breathless with admiration.

She concludes thus:

Quote:
Yada, yada, yada. sha ji jing hou, why hasn’t the same strategy been used to eliminate corruption in this country?

You be the judge.

Finally, my unsolicited advice is to Wanjiku; those who do not read the news are ill-informed, and those who read the news are misinformed.

This political orchestration is a club. And you are not a member. So let the unfolding political drama entertain you as would any reality TV show without catching feelings. You are being played.

It is easier to fool someone than to convince someone they are being fooled – Mark Twain


Oh, I Love, I LOVE, I LOOOVVVEEEEEE

Read the full story in The Star

Link: https://www.the-star.co....hile-the-monkey-watches/
sqft
#1289 Posted : Sunday, May 17, 2020 10:28:16 AM
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Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
aemathenge
#1290 Posted : Sunday, May 17, 2020 11:13:57 AM
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sqft wrote:

There you go again.

Suffering the painful, heartbreaking, and the depressingly irritating fate of patronizing a forum that lacks "The Buttons".

The "Love" Button. The "Like" Button. The "Thumbs Up" Button.

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