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William Ruto is NOT going to be President in 2022
alma1
#1241 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 8:53:40 AM
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Bigchick wrote:
I could be naive but I dont believe that UK is about amassing wealth.His father amassed or made it and they have been rich all along,how much more does he need to add?

If what has been trending on Ritos betrayal is true(Seeking to Impeach Uhuru and claiming he is the one running government coz Uhuru is drunk 24/7,then Uhuru is justified to hit him even harder)

Then at the back of my mind I still remember Kiambaa.I forgave but it keeps haunting me,so maybe giving Ruto the presidency could be a grave mistake.

Another thing is this,I am a firm believer in respect for authority and clearly that has been lacking from the TT side..Critique to your very best but do not insult authority.


Anyone who believe Kiambaa will not be an issue when Looto runs needs a serious medical checkup.

All it needs is a reminder and people will be reminded.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

Wakanyugi
#1242 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:34:52 AM
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Bigchick wrote:
I could be naive but I dont believe that UK is about amassing wealth.His father amassed or made it and they have been rich all along,how much more does he need to add?


When the COVID-19 is over I will invite you to Kamakis for a beer. Then I'll ask one of my drinking buddies to tell you about the land directly opposite, hidden by a massive eucalyptus stand. It looks like a forest. It is not. Rumor has it that it was Waititu who gave Uhuru the idea of planting a line of trees to hide their massive landholdings in Ruiru.

The Gikuyu have a quaint term for it: 'Ukari muhithe' (namely, people will forgive your being rich and mean so long as you don't flaunt your wealth in their faces too much).

But if you take a flight to Kisumu and you happen to look down on take off, you can see the hidden wealth, flaunted in all its glory. A massive empty land block abutted by the crowded slums of Mwiki and Githurai to one side and the growing Kamakis and Ruiru/Murera to the other. And this is just one of many such examples.

How long do you think people will put up with such ostentatious displays of wealth within poverty?

Uhuru may not be about amassing riches. But if he has not thought about protecting the family wealth I would be very surprised. Certainly his mother and brothers have.

In fact the recent Kenyatta family moves, to transfer their holdings into liquid assets - buying banks, expanding Brookside, creating the Northlands project - shows that they are indeed alive to the potential danger.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Wakanyugi
#1243 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:41:07 AM
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Uram wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:


Let me grab my popcorns. We are just about to witness political and financial suicide in slow motion.


Ruto is suffering the same problem of 'conviction by association' that Raila often does. He has tried to be very diplomatic with Uhuru - calling him my Mdosi, KYM etc - but the combative idiots around him can't keep their mouths shut. And they have a perverse incentive to do as being seen to fight Uhuru builds their base popularity back home, fairly guaranteeing them reelection.

The person whose calculus I don't get is Uhuru. He has a legacy to protect, yes. But that legacy has a lot to do with securing the Kenyatta Family Economic hegemony after he has relinquished the reins of power. Pissing off people who have a chance of ascending to power after you, some known to be quite vindictive, does not seem like a smart thing to do.

A hostile Ruto or Raila Presidency can do serious damage to the Kenyatta Family empire. Man Gidi might be a safer pair of hands, which could explain the rapprochement with Kanu. But he is not sell-able to the masses. In any case how do you get Kenyans to swallow the pill of dynastic self perpetuation?


Are you really a Wakanyugi?
Umeongea kama wanaume kumi


I tell you!

Firing Tycho as my weed supplier was the best decision I ever made.

"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
aemathenge
#1244 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:16:10 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
I could be naive but I dont believe that UK is about amassing wealth.His father amassed or made it and they have been rich all along,how much more does he need to add?


When the COVID-19 is over I will invite you to Kamakis for a beer. Then I'll ask one of my drinking buddies to tell you about the land directly opposite, hidden by a massive eucalyptus stand. It looks like a forest. It is not. Rumor has it that it was Waititu who gave Uhuru the idea of planting a line of trees to hide their massive landholdings in Ruiru.

The Gikuyu have a quaint term for it: 'Ukari muhithe' (namely, people will forgive your being rich and mean so long as you don't flaunt your wealth in their faces too much).

But if you take a flight to Kisumu and you happen to look down on take off, you can see the hidden wealth, flaunted in all its glory. A massive empty land block abutted by the crowded slums of Mwiki and Githurai to one side and the growing Kamakis and Ruiru/Murera to the other. And this is just one of many such examples.

How long do you think people will put up with such ostentatious displays of wealth within poverty?

Uhuru may not be about amassing riches. But if he has not thought about protecting the family wealth I would be very surprised. Certainly his mother and brothers have.

In fact the recent Kenyatta family moves, to transfer their holdings into liquid assets - buying banks, expanding Brookside, creating the Northlands project - shows that they are indeed alive to the potential danger.


Another example of the painful experience of the failure to have The Buttons on the Virtual Republic of Wazua.

The Like. The Love. The Upvote. The Downvote. Buttons.

Now to substance.

The Kenyattas is a known-known.

For Hon. Ruto to win, he needs to make it the hustlers versus the dynasties.

Please tell us about the Odingas

The Moi's

The Koinange's

The Kihika's

The Moses Mundamba Mudavadi Dynasty.

The Nyachae's

The Murgor's

Put it in another way, every District and Province in Kenia has its dynasty. The local dynasty.

Then, there is the Kenian Wahindi's

And ultimately, The Survivors of the Happy Valley Dynasty.

Will this combined force stand by and let these "tumundu's" take over.

Incidentally, I would love to understand your version of who is the "Deep State" in Kenia. Your version.

Your move.
sqft
#1245 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 2:04:07 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
I could be naive but I dont believe that UK is about amassing wealth.His father amassed or made it and they have been rich all along,how much more does he need to add?


When the COVID-19 is over I will invite you to Kamakis for a beer. Then I'll ask one of my drinking buddies to tell you about the land directly opposite, hidden by a massive eucalyptus stand. It looks like a forest. It is not. Rumor has it that it was Waititu who gave Uhuru the idea of planting a line of trees to hide their massive landholdings in Ruiru.

The Gikuyu have a quaint term for it: 'Ukari muhithe' (namely, people will forgive your being rich and mean so long as you don't flaunt your wealth in their faces too much).

But if you take a flight to Kisumu and you happen to look down on take off, you can see the hidden wealth, flaunted in all its glory. A massive empty land block abutted by the crowded slums of Mwiki and Githurai to one side and the growing Kamakis and Ruiru/Murera to the other. And this is just one of many such examples.

How long do you think people will put up with such ostentatious displays of wealth within poverty?

Uhuru may not be about amassing riches. But if he has not thought about protecting the family wealth I would be very surprised. Certainly his mother and brothers have.

In fact the recent Kenyatta family moves, to transfer their holdings into liquid assets - buying banks, expanding Brookside, creating the Northlands project - shows that they are indeed alive to the potential danger.


Why this obsession with Kenyatta land? Is it a crime for Kenyatta to own land in his native kiambu county? Moi owns thousands of acres in kabarak nakuru, the “hustler” owns thousands of acres spread in sugoi, moiben, ruai sewerage and has recently bought more from basil criticos in taveta. mzee kibor owns thousands in uasin gishu, gumo owns thousands in trans nzoia,. Ole ntutu, ntimama, nyachae own thousands in narok, mazruis own thousands huko malindi and other coastal areas. Mutiula kilonzo owns thousands in makueni where he is keeping lions. Wazungus in laikipia own hundreds of thousands. Matibas, karumes, michukis, own huge coffee and tea farms. So why is that it is only the Kenyattas that should not own land (NB the kenyatta family is a whole clan comprising hundreds of relatives). If anything uhuru having been MP, minister and president should have by now bought even more thousands of acres of his own land like other Mpigs, ministers and presidents have done, and moved from his fathers boma,.

Another thing, why is everyone envious of the kahawa land? Is it because many kikuyus like wakanyugi are poorly travelled, their only movement being between their rural home hapo kabati, their business stall at nyamakima and then pombe at kamakis, and therefore the only large piece of unbuilt land they have ever seen in their lives is kahawa ranch? They don’t even know that forestry, like the trees planted at kahawa ranch, and keeping cattle, sheep and goats are also landuse options. For them all land should be subdivided into 1/8 plots and then built on or planted with bananas and sweet potatoes.

FYI some years back all land around nairobi consisted of huge ranches and coffee estates which have been subdivided by owners and then sold. Karen, runda, loresho, lavington, ridgeways, kitisuru, spring valley, thome, garden estate, kiamumbi, marururui etc were coffee farms. Places like syokimau, zimmerman, kahawa sukari, githurai, mwiki, njiru, embakasi, katani, kitengela, rongai were all ranches. Muthaiga and others were dairy farms. Many of these farms and ranches have been subdivided and sold as the city grew. If my neighbours decide to subdivide their lands into plots and sell should I also do the same? Just because kina Karen Blixen (Karen), Imathu (Runda), Kirima (njiru), magugu (thome) etc decided to subdivide and sell their land doesn’t mean kenyattas should also subdivide and sell their properties.

It is therefore stupid for you to suggest to take a wazuan to kamakis to show them someone’s land, land which the owner has decided to have a different kind of land use (forestry, ranching, industrial, education) and not your usual upus of 1/8 subdivisions. Will you also take her to windsor and show her michukis large farm that is a golf course and coffee farm while the people in neighbouring thindigua are living perched high up in apartments like birds? Aren’t you the same people who have been complaining that all land in kiambu is being subdivided into plots and should have been left intact?




Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
Wakanyugi
#1246 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 3:07:18 PM
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sqft wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
I could be naive but I dont believe that UK is about amassing wealth.His father amassed or made it and they have been rich all along,how much more does he need to add?


When the COVID-19 is over I will invite you to Kamakis for a beer. Then I'll ask one of my drinking buddies to tell you about the land directly opposite, hidden by a massive eucalyptus stand. It looks like a forest. It is not. Rumor has it that it was Waititu who gave Uhuru the idea of planting a line of trees to hide their massive landholdings in Ruiru.

The Gikuyu have a quaint term for it: 'Ukari muhithe' (namely, people will forgive your being rich and mean so long as you don't flaunt your wealth in their faces too much).

But if you take a flight to Kisumu and you happen to look down on take off, you can see the hidden wealth, flaunted in all its glory. A massive empty land block abutted by the crowded slums of Mwiki and Githurai to one side and the growing Kamakis and Ruiru/Murera to the other. And this is just one of many such examples.

How long do you think people will put up with such ostentatious displays of wealth within poverty?

Uhuru may not be about amassing riches. But if he has not thought about protecting the family wealth I would be very surprised. Certainly his mother and brothers have.

In fact the recent Kenyatta family moves, to transfer their holdings into liquid assets - buying banks, expanding Brookside, creating the Northlands project - shows that they are indeed alive to the potential danger.


Why this obsession with Kenyatta land? Is it a crime for Kenyatta to own land in his native kiambu county? Moi owns thousands of acres in kabarak nakuru, the “hustler” owns thousands of acres spread in sugoi, moiben, ruai sewerage and has recently bought more from basil criticos in taveta. mzee kibor owns thousands in uasin gishu, gumo owns thousands in trans nzoia,. Ole ntutu, ntimama, nyachae own thousands in narok, mazruis own thousands huko malindi and other coastal areas. Mutiula kilonzo owns thousands in makueni where he is keeping lions. Wazungus in laikipia own hundreds of thousands. Matibas, karumes, michukis, own huge coffee and tea farms. So why is that it is only the Kenyattas that should not own land (NB the kenyatta family is a whole clan comprising hundreds of relatives). If anything uhuru having been MP, minister and president should have by now bought even more thousands of acres of his own land like other Mpigs, ministers and presidents have done, and moved from his fathers boma,.

Another thing, why is everyone envious of the kahawa land? Is it because many kikuyus like wakanyugi are poorly travelled, their only movement being between their rural home hapo kabati, their business stall at nyamakima and then pombe at kamakis, and therefore the only large piece of unbuilt land they have ever seen in their lives is kahawa ranch? They don’t even know that forestry, like the trees planted at kahawa ranch, and keeping cattle, sheep and goats are also landuse options. For them all land should be subdivided into 1/8 plots and then built on or planted with bananas and sweet potatoes.

FYI some years back all land around nairobi consisted of huge ranches and coffee estates which have been subdivided by owners and then sold. Karen, runda, loresho, lavington, ridgeways, kitisuru, spring valley, thome, garden estate, kiamumbi, marururui etc were coffee farms. Places like syokimau, zimmerman, kahawa sukari, githurai, mwiki, njiru, embakasi, katani, kitengela, rongai were all ranches. Muthaiga and others were dairy farms. Many of these farms and ranches have been subdivided and sold as the city grew. If my neighbours decide to subdivide their lands into plots and sell should I also do the same? Just because kina Karen Blixen (Karen), Imathu (Runda), Kirima (njiru), magugu (thome) etc decided to subdivide and sell their land doesn’t mean kenyattas should also subdivide and sell their properties.

It is therefore stupid for you to suggest to take a wazuan to kamakis to show them someone’s land, land which the owner has decided to have a different kind of land use (forestry, ranching, industrial, education) and not your usual upus of 1/8 subdivisions. Will you also take her to windsor and show her michukis large farm that is a golf course and coffee farm while the people in neighbouring thindigua are living perched high up in apartments like birds? Aren’t you the same people who have been complaining that all land in kiambu is being subdivided into plots and should have been left intact?



Wow, it looks someone has been stung, has one?

Smoke a joint and chill my brother.

I will not give you the satisfaction of joining you in the gutter.

Next!

"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Wakanyugi
#1247 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 3:18:08 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
I could be naive but I dont believe that UK is about amassing wealth.His father amassed or made it and they have been rich all along,how much more does he need to add?


When the COVID-19 is over I will invite you to Kamakis for a beer. Then I'll ask one of my drinking buddies to tell you about the land directly opposite, hidden by a massive eucalyptus stand. It looks like a forest. It is not. Rumor has it that it was Waititu who gave Uhuru the idea of planting a line of trees to hide their massive landholdings in Ruiru.

The Gikuyu have a quaint term for it: 'Ukari muhithe' (namely, people will forgive your being rich and mean so long as you don't flaunt your wealth in their faces too much).

But if you take a flight to Kisumu and you happen to look down on take off, you can see the hidden wealth, flaunted in all its glory. A massive empty land block abutted by the crowded slums of Mwiki and Githurai to one side and the growing Kamakis and Ruiru/Murera to the other. And this is just one of many such examples.

How long do you think people will put up with such ostentatious displays of wealth within poverty?

Uhuru may not be about amassing riches. But if he has not thought about protecting the family wealth I would be very surprised. Certainly his mother and brothers have.

In fact the recent Kenyatta family moves, to transfer their holdings into liquid assets - buying banks, expanding Brookside, creating the Northlands project - shows that they are indeed alive to the potential danger.


Another example of the painful experience of the failure to have The Buttons on the Virtual Republic of Wazua.

The Like. The Love. The Upvote. The Downvote. Buttons.

Now to substance.

The Kenyattas is a known-known.

For Hon. Ruto to win, he needs to make it the hustlers versus the dynasties.

Please tell us about the Odingas

The Moi's

The Koinange's

The Kihika's

The Moses Mundamba Mudavadi Dynasty.

The Nyachae's

The Murgor's

Put it in another way, every District and Province in Kenia has its dynasty. The local dynasty.

Then, there is the Kenian Wahindi's

And ultimately, The Survivors of the Happy Valley Dynasty.

Will this combined force stand by and let these "tumundu's" take over.

Incidentally, I would love to understand your version of who is the "Deep State" in Kenia. Your version.

Your move.


You ask deep questions my brother. And I claim no answers.

But when Moi said, Kenya 'ina wenyewe,' I doubt that he counted the likes of William Ruto in that group.

Think old money (not deep state) the kind that can easily buy you the Governorship of Kirinyaga tomorrow, or even the Presidency, if they chose and not break a sweat. You have named many of them above, but don't forget there are many others in the shadows.

The deal between Uhuru and Ruto was blessed as it provided the one thing these interests need, stability. If it falls apart and there is no suitable replacement, expect some very strange political happenings before 2022.

We might even see a new messiah come like a thief to rescue us poor Kenyans.


"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
murchr
#1248 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 3:34:19 PM
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The 2022 battle is clear, its hustler nation vs dynasties. One thing is clear though, Uhuru will not get that constitutional amendment. The gods are against it and they've sent Covid19 to kill that...now once the gods are against you, do you stand a chance? Truth is Uhuru is not smart and its very obvious to everyone.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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sqft
#1249 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:06:51 PM
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So when uhuru called for the meeting at statehouse, the hustler was at Karen telling senators not to attend. How can a deputy behave like that? His horns must be cut to size.

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Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
Lolest!
#1250 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:37:35 PM
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If what has been trending on Ritos betrayal is true(Seeking to Impeach Uhuru and claiming he is the one running government coz Uhuru is drunk 24/7,then Uhuru is justified to hit him even harder)

First heard this during the handshake. That this was the primary reason Uhunye sought for RAO

I find it strange for a man who wanted to use the Moi strategy ascend to power to want to remove hos boss.

But anything is possible in siasa.

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