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masukuma wrote:wukan wrote:mkenyan wrote:
masukuma, i get your point and as you have raised before earlier in the thread. however, the getting of a positive case out of 3,809 tests (the same as with the kenya's low percentages on the targeted testing) cannot be used to discredit the theory that the disease may have been here longer. they are not doing a serology test to see if people have been infected before the test is for those who are currently positive. meaning if angelica's theory is right those low positives we are getting are only for those who came late to the party.
February flu keeps popping up Quote:Health officials in Nakuru County are searching for at least 20 people who got into contact with a 13-year-old Covid-19 patient. The boy from Nyakinyua village in Solai, Subukia Sub-county, was one of the 25 new patients the Health ministry announced on Thursday evening. Nakuru's Health executive Gichuki Kariuki said the patient was taken to Nakuru Level Five Hospital and that the officials had embarked on rapid contact tracing. TUBERCULOSIS The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February. He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital. https://www.nation.co.ke...46332-mk12wq/index.html
He may have been sick in February with TB and not necessarily COVID. Since he cannot have had Covid for 90+ days within him only for it to manifest now. The other thing is the Dec and Jan “bad flu” had symptom. Did anyone report Fevers specifically (that’s a huge sign of Covid). Ama ni kukohoa na makamasi (the last one not guaranteed to accompany Covid)?. How comes these symptoms suddenly disappeared and yet the disease was supposed to be spreading ? The answer lies in the fact that 75% to 80% are ASYMPTOMATIC.Infact from COVID 19 tracker Worldometer,98% of cases are mild. So yes it is spreading and there could be many more in that shags of mine(SUBUKIA) but they have no symptoms and it clears from their bodies on its own. Out of the 1611 tested yesturday,none was picked feom the hospital or because they were showing symptoms.......they were picked because they were in close contact with a confirmed case.People are walking around with the virus unaware and they are healing without any intervention. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Bigchick wrote:masukuma wrote:wukan wrote:mkenyan wrote:
masukuma, i get your point and as you have raised before earlier in the thread. however, the getting of a positive case out of 3,809 tests (the same as with the kenya's low percentages on the targeted testing) cannot be used to discredit the theory that the disease may have been here longer. they are not doing a serology test to see if people have been infected before the test is for those who are currently positive. meaning if angelica's theory is right those low positives we are getting are only for those who came late to the party.
February flu keeps popping up Quote:Health officials in Nakuru County are searching for at least 20 people who got into contact with a 13-year-old Covid-19 patient. The boy from Nyakinyua village in Solai, Subukia Sub-county, was one of the 25 new patients the Health ministry announced on Thursday evening. Nakuru's Health executive Gichuki Kariuki said the patient was taken to Nakuru Level Five Hospital and that the officials had embarked on rapid contact tracing. TUBERCULOSIS The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February. He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital. https://www.nation.co.ke...46332-mk12wq/index.html
He may have been sick in February with TB and not necessarily COVID. Since he cannot have had Covid for 90+ days within him only for it to manifest now. The other thing is the Dec and Jan “bad flu” had symptom. Did anyone report Fevers specifically (that’s a huge sign of Covid). Ama ni kukohoa na makamasi (the last one not guaranteed to accompany Covid)?. How comes these symptoms suddenly disappeared and yet the disease was supposed to be spreading ? The answer lies in the fact that 75% to 80% are ASYMPTOMATIC.Infact from COVID 19 tracker Worldometer,98% of cases are mild. So yes it is spreading and there could be many more in that shags of mine(SUBUKIA) but they have no symptoms and it clears from their bodies on its own. Out of the 1611 tested yesturday,none was picked feom the hospital or because they were showing symptoms.......they were picked because they were in close contact with a confirmed case.People are walking around with the virus unaware and they are healing without any intervention. I think the word Asymptomatic is misunderstood to mean NEVER WILL SHOW SYMPTOMS. No - it means NOT EXHIBITING SYMPTOMS. When you pick a case that got infected 2 days ago - they are likely not to exhibit any symptoms but if you test them you will find that they are +ve. It happens with any disease at one point (usually early in infection during the incubation stage). One can only be categorized as 'asymptomatic' in the manner you have used it after first testing +ve to detect infection and then going for a number of days infected then testing negative (a number of times) at the end HAVING SHOWN NO SYMPTOM at all (No fever, no gastrointestinal issues, no breathing issues, no coughing...nothing!). Mild Symptoms are SYMPTOMS and are thus not asymptomatic. Most of those we call asymptomatic cases as a result of contact tracing symptomatic individuals are actually pre-symptomatic (75% of them to be exact). if we use the stats from the Diamond Princess - about 18% of the infected remain asymptomatic throughout. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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mkenyan wrote:mpobiz wrote:masukuma wrote:wukan wrote:mkenyan wrote:
masukuma, i get your point and as you have raised before earlier in the thread. however, the getting of a positive case out of 3,809 tests (the same as with the kenya's low percentages on the targeted testing) cannot be used to discredit the theory that the disease may have been here longer. they are not doing a serology test to see if people have been infected before the test is for those who are currently positive. meaning if angelica's theory is right those low positives we are getting are only for those who came late to the party.
February flu keeps popping up Quote:Health officials in Nakuru County are searching for at least 20 people who got into contact with a 13-year-old Covid-19 patient. The boy from Nyakinyua village in Solai, Subukia Sub-county, was one of the 25 new patients the Health ministry announced on Thursday evening. Nakuru's Health executive Gichuki Kariuki said the patient was taken to Nakuru Level Five Hospital and that the officials had embarked on rapid contact tracing. TUBERCULOSIS The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February. He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital. https://www.nation.co.ke...46332-mk12wq/index.html
He may have been sick in February with TB and not necessarily COVID. Since he cannot have had Covid for 90+ days within him only for it to manifest now. The other thing is the Dec and Jan “bad flu” had symptom. Did anyone report Fevers specifically (that’s a huge sign of Covid). Ama ni kukohoa na makamasi (the last one not guaranteed to accompany Covid)?. How comes these symptoms suddenly disappeared and yet the disease was supposed to be spreading ? Have you considered that he may be reinfected? If nobody knows what is going on in the family or the village. The rate of infection and reinfection is unavoidable. masukuma's position is most likely correct. the last i read, the cases of people testing positive after recovery were actually false positives. It's very clear there was a mis diagnosis of this boy's ilness. When he went to the doctors in February the doctors immediately put the boy into TB meds. The boy goes home and all is well. He goes back to the hospital in april when the same symptoms paper again and the doctors now decide to do a covid test. They now discover the boy has been suffering from corona. On average TB treatment takes about 6 months. So you can't say that the boy is TB free and now has covid. The only explanation for this is that the boy went home and felt better(healed) only to be reinfected by a relative. Then he suffers the same syptoms and then goes back to the hospital. I hope that explains your 90+ days suspicion. Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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An average of 60 Kenyans die daily from malaria but there are no daily pressers and we dont walk around wearing mosquito nets. At this rate we'll have to wait a whole year for COVID-19 to kill the same number of people malaria kills in a day! Even for the entire continent, COVID-19 has killed about 2,000 people meaning more people will die in road accidents in Kenya this year than from COVID-19 in a continent of over 1.2 billion people. The fatalities vs the lockdown measures simply dont add up. Looking at African countries that didn't lock down, no upsurge in deaths and hospitalized cases have happened coz there is no way of hiding that. Burundi have been playing the president cup, TZ is open for business and so are a number of west Africa countries. The scary projections from the Armageddon brigade of "bodies lying in streets" are simply not happening, atleast not in Africa. In Europe Sweden and Belarus have also not fared any worse than countries on lockdown. The lockdown should end now.
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whiteowl wrote:An average of 60 Kenyans die daily from malaria but there are no daily pressers and we dont walk around wearing mosquito nets. At this rate we'll have to wait a whole year for COVID-19 to kill the same number of people malaria kills in a day! Even for the entire continent, COVID-19 has killed about 2,000 people meaning more people will die in road accidents in Kenya this year than from COVID-19 in a continent of over 1.2 billion people. The fatalities vs the lockdown measures simply dont add up. Looking at African countries that didn't lock down, no upsurge in deaths and hospitalized cases have happened coz there is no way of hiding that. Burundi have been playing the president cup, TZ is open for business and so are a number of west Africa countries. The scary projections from the Armageddon brigade of "bodies lying in streets" are simply not happening, atleast not in Africa. In Europe Sweden and Belarus have also not fared any worse than countries on lockdown. The lockdown should end now. We have been here before - and Mark you! We don't even have 'lockdown' ours is a containment strategy. Don't disregard the measures in place - the price of being wrong is what Italy went through. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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mpobiz wrote:mkenyan wrote:mpobiz wrote:masukuma wrote:wukan wrote:mkenyan wrote:
masukuma, i get your point and as you have raised before earlier in the thread. however, the getting of a positive case out of 3,809 tests (the same as with the kenya's low percentages on the targeted testing) cannot be used to discredit the theory that the disease may have been here longer. they are not doing a serology test to see if people have been infected before the test is for those who are currently positive. meaning if angelica's theory is right those low positives we are getting are only for those who came late to the party.
February flu keeps popping up Quote:Health officials in Nakuru County are searching for at least 20 people who got into contact with a 13-year-old Covid-19 patient. The boy from Nyakinyua village in Solai, Subukia Sub-county, was one of the 25 new patients the Health ministry announced on Thursday evening. Nakuru's Health executive Gichuki Kariuki said the patient was taken to Nakuru Level Five Hospital and that the officials had embarked on rapid contact tracing. TUBERCULOSIS The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February. He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital. https://www.nation.co.ke...46332-mk12wq/index.html
He may have been sick in February with TB and not necessarily COVID. Since he cannot have had Covid for 90+ days within him only for it to manifest now. The other thing is the Dec and Jan “bad flu” had symptom. Did anyone report Fevers specifically (that’s a huge sign of Covid). Ama ni kukohoa na makamasi (the last one not guaranteed to accompany Covid)?. How comes these symptoms suddenly disappeared and yet the disease was supposed to be spreading ? Have you considered that he may be reinfected? If nobody knows what is going on in the family or the village. The rate of infection and reinfection is unavoidable. masukuma's position is most likely correct. the last i read, the cases of people testing positive after recovery were actually false positives. It's very clear there was a mis diagnosis of this boy's ilness. When he went to the doctors in February the doctors immediately put the boy into TB meds. The boy goes home and all is well. He goes back to the hospital in april when the same symptoms paper again and the doctors now decide to do a covid test. They now discover the boy has been suffering from corona. On average TB treatment takes about 6 months. So you can't say that the boy is TB free and now has covid. The only explanation for this is that the boy went home and felt better(healed) only to be reinfected by a relative. Then he suffers the same syptoms and then goes back to the hospital. I hope that explains your 90+ days suspicion. So he was unfortunate enough to be caught by the disease in Feb in his village, he became symptomatic went to hospital was misdiagonised. Went home and recovered from it. Was reinfected again by the same strain in his village within an approx 60 day period - became symptomatic again, went to hospital was hospitalized for 28 days when they discovered he has Covid. No one else in his village has gotten bad enough to want to see a doctor - just him...twice! While the disease is new and we don't know the extreme behaviors here is an even simpler (more likely) explanation Nation wrote:The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February.
He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital. He was readmitted on April 13 for TB and was infected by a yet to be identified person who had been/is hospitalized/visited the hospital who actually has Covid. Remember he had been in the hospital for 28-days since April 13 before he was tested and found to have the virus. The symptoms generally take between 2 and 14 days to manifest but the majority have theirs on the 5th day or thereabout. The sickness generally takes 2 weeks (14 days) for 'mild' symptoms to disappear. so this would fit firmly within the 28 day period he was hospitalized. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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masukuma wrote:whiteowl wrote:An average of 60 Kenyans die daily from malaria but there are no daily pressers and we dont walk around wearing mosquito nets. At this rate we'll have to wait a whole year for COVID-19 to kill the same number of people malaria kills in a day! Even for the entire continent, COVID-19 has killed about 2,000 people meaning more people will die in road accidents in Kenya this year than from COVID-19 in a continent of over 1.2 billion people. The fatalities vs the lockdown measures simply dont add up. Looking at African countries that didn't lock down, no upsurge in deaths and hospitalized cases have happened coz there is no way of hiding that. Burundi have been playing the president cup, TZ is open for business and so are a number of west Africa countries. The scary projections from the Armageddon brigade of "bodies lying in streets" are simply not happening, atleast not in Africa. In Europe Sweden and Belarus have also not fared any worse than countries on lockdown. The lockdown should end now. We have been here before - and Mark you! We don't even have 'lockdown' ours is a containment strategy. Don't disregard the measures in place - the price of being wrong is what Italy went through. Corona virus is flu and its different strains have been showing up since 1960's.In the USA flu kills over 40,000 per year.African have a very high resistance to flus and common cold. I personally don't know anyone in Kenya who has died from a flu. I've also never seen anybody been rushed to hospital after suffering from a flu. So these stats from the west don't apply in Africa. By now we should have seen at least one Africa countries clocking 1,000 deaths per day. The COVID-19 deaths in Kenya are also not confirmed. There are no autopy done and in most cases you have to have other preexisting ailments like diabetes and high blood pressure. A disease like malaria will take you out in 3 days without needing other ailments or old age to help it.
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whiteowl wrote:masukuma wrote:whiteowl wrote:An average of 60 Kenyans die daily from malaria but there are no daily pressers and we dont walk around wearing mosquito nets. At this rate we'll have to wait a whole year for COVID-19 to kill the same number of people malaria kills in a day! Even for the entire continent, COVID-19 has killed about 2,000 people meaning more people will die in road accidents in Kenya this year than from COVID-19 in a continent of over 1.2 billion people. The fatalities vs the lockdown measures simply dont add up. Looking at African countries that didn't lock down, no upsurge in deaths and hospitalized cases have happened coz there is no way of hiding that. Burundi have been playing the president cup, TZ is open for business and so are a number of west Africa countries. The scary projections from the Armageddon brigade of "bodies lying in streets" are simply not happening, atleast not in Africa. In Europe Sweden and Belarus have also not fared any worse than countries on lockdown. The lockdown should end now. We have been here before - and Mark you! We don't even have 'lockdown' ours is a containment strategy. Don't disregard the measures in place - the price of being wrong is what Italy went through. Corona virus is not a flu. While we have known about Coronaviruses since the mid 60s - Covid its the 3rd zoonotic strain oc Coronavirus have been showing up since 2000's. Some Common Colds are caused by Coronaviruses but not Flus. Flus are caused by viruses named using the HxNy convention for example H1N1[/b], H5N1 etc.In the USA flu kills over 40,000 per year in a population of 300+ million people. Heresay tells us that African have a very high resistance to flus and common cold despite the fact that Lower respiratory infections were the second largest cause of deaths in Kenya in 2017 while Malaria was 14th. I personally don't know anyone in Kenya who has died from a flu But @Masukuma knows 2 people who have had Covid and they tell him that the fever was out of this world and ended up being weak after recovery and their chests felt like a truck was resting on it . I've also never seen anybody been rushed to hospital after suffering from a flu @masukuma has also not seen anyone run to the hospital because of Malaria - not that they don't exist... just that he hasn't witnessed that happening ... none of us has a complete view of everything. So these stats from the west don't apply in Africa mostly because Africa attribute deaths to the wrong things - it's not uncommon to find african nations ranking witchcraft and curses as the leading cause of deaths. By now IF WE HAD NO MEASURES IN PLACE - we WOULD have seen at least one Africa countries clocking 1,000 deaths per day. The COVID-19 deaths in Kenya are also not confirmed. There are no autopy done and in most cases although it has been well understood for months that having to have other preexisting ailments like diabetes and high blood pressure increase the chances of your dying during a Covid infection but it does not require you to have anything to be able to spread it to others who may have the preexisting morbidities and kill them. A disease like malaria will take you out in 3 days without needing other ailments or old age to help it. but thank God does not spread in the same way, no one gets malaria in a buffet or in Churches/Mosques or in shared transportation like covid - it also has a well known and acknowledged cure as well as understood prevention measures. Just because we don't give Malaria the seriousness it deserves (it will kill 400k+ people worldwide this year) does not mean we should neglect something that has killed 280k+ deaths in 5 months All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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masukuma wrote:whiteowl wrote:masukuma wrote:whiteowl wrote:An average of 60 Kenyans die daily from malaria but there are no daily pressers and we dont walk around wearing mosquito nets. At this rate we'll have to wait a whole year for COVID-19 to kill the same number of people malaria kills in a day! Even for the entire continent, COVID-19 has killed about 2,000 people meaning more people will die in road accidents in Kenya this year than from COVID-19 in a continent of over 1.2 billion people. The fatalities vs the lockdown measures simply dont add up. Looking at African countries that didn't lock down, no upsurge in deaths and hospitalized cases have happened coz there is no way of hiding that. Burundi have been playing the president cup, TZ is open for business and so are a number of west Africa countries. The scary projections from the Armageddon brigade of "bodies lying in streets" are simply not happening, atleast not in Africa. In Europe Sweden and Belarus have also not fared any worse than countries on lockdown. The lockdown should end now. We have been here before - and Mark you! We don't even have 'lockdown' ours is a containment strategy. Don't disregard the measures in place - the price of being wrong is what Italy went through. Corona virus is not a flu. While we have known about Coronaviruses since the mid 60s - Covid its the 3rd zoonotic strain oc Coronavirus have been showing up since 2000's. Some Common Colds are caused by Coronaviruses but not Flus. Flus are caused by viruses named using the HxNy convention for example H1N1[/b], H5N1 etc.In the USA flu kills over 40,000 per year in a population of 300+ million people. Heresay tells us that African have a very high resistance to flus and common cold despite the fact that Lower respiratory infections were the second largest cause of deaths in Kenya in 2017 while Malaria was 14th. I personally don't know anyone in Kenya who has died from a flu But @Masukuma knows 2 people who have had Covid and they tell him that the fever was out of this world and ended up being weak after recovery and their chests felt like a truck was resting on it . I've also never seen anybody been rushed to hospital after suffering from a flu @masukuma has also not seen anyone run to the hospital because of Malaria - not that they don't exist... just that he hasn't witnessed that happening ... none of us has a complete view of everything. So these stats from the west don't apply in Africa mostly because Africa attribute deaths to the wrong things - it's not uncommon to find african nations ranking witchcraft and curses as the leading cause of deaths. By now IF WE HAD NO MEASURES IN PLACE - we WOULD have seen at least one Africa countries clocking 1,000 deaths per day. The COVID-19 deaths in Kenya are also not confirmed. There are no autopy done and in most cases although it has been well understood for months that having to have other preexisting ailments like diabetes and high blood pressure increase the chances of your dying during a Covid infection but it does not require you to have anything to be able to spread it to others who may have the preexisting morbidities and kill them. A disease like malaria will take you out in 3 days without needing other ailments or old age to help it. but thank God does not spread in the same way, no one gets malaria in a buffet or in Churches/Mosques or in shared transportation like covid - it also has a well known and acknowledged cure as well as understood prevention measures. Just because we don't give Malaria the seriousness it deserves (it will kill 400k+ people worldwide this year) does not mean we should neglect something that has killed 280k+ deaths in 5 months 280k deaths worldwide but only 2k deaths in Africa and you want to take this thing seriously? How about we take other diseases and road accidents seriously first?
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masukuma wrote:mpobiz wrote:mkenyan wrote:mpobiz wrote:masukuma wrote:wukan wrote:mkenyan wrote:
masukuma, i get your point and as you have raised before earlier in the thread. however, the getting of a positive case out of 3,809 tests (the same as with the kenya's low percentages on the targeted testing) cannot be used to discredit the theory that the disease may have been here longer. they are not doing a serology test to see if people have been infected before the test is for those who are currently positive. meaning if angelica's theory is right those low positives we are getting are only for those who came late to the party.
February flu keeps popping up Quote:Health officials in Nakuru County are searching for at least 20 people who got into contact with a 13-year-old Covid-19 patient. The boy from Nyakinyua village in Solai, Subukia Sub-county, was one of the 25 new patients the Health ministry announced on Thursday evening. Nakuru's Health executive Gichuki Kariuki said the patient was taken to Nakuru Level Five Hospital and that the officials had embarked on rapid contact tracing. TUBERCULOSIS The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February. He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital. https://www.nation.co.ke...46332-mk12wq/index.html
He may have been sick in February with TB and not necessarily COVID. Since he cannot have had Covid for 90+ days within him only for it to manifest now. The other thing is the Dec and Jan “bad flu” had symptom. Did anyone report Fevers specifically (that’s a huge sign of Covid). Ama ni kukohoa na makamasi (the last one not guaranteed to accompany Covid)?. How comes these symptoms suddenly disappeared and yet the disease was supposed to be spreading ? Have you considered that he may be reinfected? If nobody knows what is going on in the family or the village. The rate of infection and reinfection is unavoidable. masukuma's position is most likely correct. the last i read, the cases of people testing positive after recovery were actually false positives. It's very clear there was a mis diagnosis of this boy's ilness. When he went to the doctors in February the doctors immediately put the boy into TB meds. The boy goes home and all is well. He goes back to the hospital in april when the same symptoms paper again and the doctors now decide to do a covid test. They now discover the boy has been suffering from corona. On average TB treatment takes about 6 months. So you can't say that the boy is TB free and now has covid. The only explanation for this is that the boy went home and felt better(healed) only to be reinfected by a relative. Then he suffers the same syptoms and then goes back to the hospital. I hope that explains your 90+ days suspicion. So he was unfortunate enough to be caught by the disease in Feb in his village, he became symptomatic went to hospital was misdiagonised. Went home and recovered from it. Was reinfected again by the same strain in his village within an approx 60 day period - became symptomatic again, went to hospital was hospitalized for 28 days when they discovered he has Covid. No one else in his village has gotten bad enough to want to see a doctor - just him...twice! While the disease is new and we don't know the extreme behaviors here is an even simpler (more likely) explanation Nation wrote:The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February.
He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital. He was readmitted on April 13 for TB and was infected by a yet to be identified person who had been/is hospitalized/visited the hospital who actually has Covid. Remember he had been in the hospital for 28-days since April 13 before he was tested and found to have the virus. The symptoms generally take between 2 and 14 days to manifest but the majority have theirs on the 5th day or thereabout. The sickness generally takes 2 weeks (14 days) for 'mild' symptoms to disappear. so this would fit firmly within the 28 day period he was hospitalized. Do you remember telling us that?(in red) All symptoms had cleared. How can TB symptoms clear in a month? Now you tell us he was infected with In his second stay in hospital. That might be true also. Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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mpobiz wrote:masukuma wrote:mpobiz wrote:mkenyan wrote:mpobiz wrote:masukuma wrote:wukan wrote:mkenyan wrote:
masukuma, i get your point and as you have raised before earlier in the thread. however, the getting of a positive case out of 3,809 tests (the same as with the kenya's low percentages on the targeted testing) cannot be used to discredit the theory that the disease may have been here longer. they are not doing a serology test to see if people have been infected before the test is for those who are currently positive. meaning if angelica's theory is right those low positives we are getting are only for those who came late to the party.
February flu keeps popping up Quote:Health officials in Nakuru County are searching for at least 20 people who got into contact with a 13-year-old Covid-19 patient. The boy from Nyakinyua village in Solai, Subukia Sub-county, was one of the 25 new patients the Health ministry announced on Thursday evening. Nakuru's Health executive Gichuki Kariuki said the patient was taken to Nakuru Level Five Hospital and that the officials had embarked on rapid contact tracing. TUBERCULOSIS The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February. He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital. https://www.nation.co.ke...46332-mk12wq/index.html
He may have been sick in February with TB and not necessarily COVID. Since he cannot have had Covid for 90+ days within him only for it to manifest now. The other thing is the Dec and Jan “bad flu” had symptom. Did anyone report Fevers specifically (that’s a huge sign of Covid). Ama ni kukohoa na makamasi (the last one not guaranteed to accompany Covid)?. How comes these symptoms suddenly disappeared and yet the disease was supposed to be spreading ? Have you considered that he may be reinfected? If nobody knows what is going on in the family or the village. The rate of infection and reinfection is unavoidable. masukuma's position is most likely correct. the last i read, the cases of people testing positive after recovery were actually false positives. It's very clear there was a mis diagnosis of this boy's ilness. When he went to the doctors in February the doctors immediately put the boy into TB meds. The boy goes home and all is well. He goes back to the hospital in april when the same symptoms paper again and the doctors now decide to do a covid test. They now discover the boy has been suffering from corona. On average TB treatment takes about 6 months. So you can't say that the boy is TB free and now has covid. The only explanation for this is that the boy went home and felt better(healed) only to be reinfected by a relative. Then he suffers the same syptoms and then goes back to the hospital. I hope that explains your 90+ days suspicion. So he was unfortunate enough to be caught by the disease in Feb in his village, he became symptomatic went to hospital was misdiagonised. Went home and recovered from it. Was reinfected again by the same strain in his village within an approx 60 day period - became symptomatic again, went to hospital was hospitalized for 28 days when they discovered he has Covid. No one else in his village has gotten bad enough to want to see a doctor - just him...twice! While the disease is new and we don't know the extreme behaviors here is an even simpler (more likely) explanation Nation wrote:The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February.
He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital. He was readmitted on April 13 for TB and was infected by a yet to be identified person who had been/is hospitalized/visited the hospital who actually has Covid. Remember he had been in the hospital for 28-days since April 13 before he was tested and found to have the virus. The symptoms generally take between 2 and 14 days to manifest but the majority have theirs on the 5th day or thereabout. The sickness generally takes 2 weeks (14 days) for 'mild' symptoms to disappear. so this would fit firmly within the 28 day period he was hospitalized. Do you remember telling us that?(in red) All symptoms had cleared. How can TB symptoms clear in a month? Now you tell us he was infected with In his second stay in hospital. That might be true also. I was not telling you! I was ASKING YOU A QUESTION that was never answered! Read this and tell me WHO TOLD YOU THE TB SYMPTOMS DISAPPEARED! Nation wrote:The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February.
He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital.
Sources at the hospital told the Nation that the patient developed severe breathing problems, prompting doctors to test him for Covid-19.
Among those who could be quarantined are health workers who attended to him at the facility and the people he interacted with on the 40km journey to Nakuru town by matatu. P.S. they tested him AFTER he Quote:developed severe breathing problems during the 28 days he was hospitalized for TB. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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whiteowl wrote:masukuma wrote:whiteowl wrote:masukuma wrote:whiteowl wrote:An average of 60 Kenyans die daily from malaria but there are no daily pressers and we dont walk around wearing mosquito nets. At this rate we'll have to wait a whole year for COVID-19 to kill the same number of people malaria kills in a day! Even for the entire continent, COVID-19 has killed about 2,000 people meaning more people will die in road accidents in Kenya this year than from COVID-19 in a continent of over 1.2 billion people. The fatalities vs the lockdown measures simply dont add up. Looking at African countries that didn't lock down, no upsurge in deaths and hospitalized cases have happened coz there is no way of hiding that. Burundi have been playing the president cup, TZ is open for business and so are a number of west Africa countries. The scary projections from the Armageddon brigade of "bodies lying in streets" are simply not happening, atleast not in Africa. In Europe Sweden and Belarus have also not fared any worse than countries on lockdown. The lockdown should end now. We have been here before - and Mark you! We don't even have 'lockdown' ours is a containment strategy. Don't disregard the measures in place - the price of being wrong is what Italy went through. Corona virus is not a flu. While we have known about Coronaviruses since the mid 60s - Covid its the 3rd zoonotic strain oc Coronavirus have been showing up since 2000's. Some Common Colds are caused by Coronaviruses but not Flus. Flus are caused by viruses named using the HxNy convention for example H1N1[/b], H5N1 etc.In the USA flu kills over 40,000 per year in a population of 300+ million people. Heresay tells us that African have a very high resistance to flus and common cold despite the fact that Lower respiratory infections were the second largest cause of deaths in Kenya in 2017 while Malaria was 14th. I personally don't know anyone in Kenya who has died from a flu But @Masukuma knows 2 people who have had Covid and they tell him that the fever was out of this world and ended up being weak after recovery and their chests felt like a truck was resting on it . I've also never seen anybody been rushed to hospital after suffering from a flu @masukuma has also not seen anyone run to the hospital because of Malaria - not that they don't exist... just that he hasn't witnessed that happening ... none of us has a complete view of everything. So these stats from the west don't apply in Africa mostly because Africa attribute deaths to the wrong things - it's not uncommon to find african nations ranking witchcraft and curses as the leading cause of deaths. By now IF WE HAD NO MEASURES IN PLACE - we WOULD have seen at least one Africa countries clocking 1,000 deaths per day. The COVID-19 deaths in Kenya are also not confirmed. There are no autopy done and in most cases although it has been well understood for months that having to have other preexisting ailments like diabetes and high blood pressure increase the chances of your dying during a Covid infection but it does not require you to have anything to be able to spread it to others who may have the preexisting morbidities and kill them. A disease like malaria will take you out in 3 days without needing other ailments or old age to help it. but thank God does not spread in the same way, no one gets malaria in a buffet or in Churches/Mosques or in shared transportation like covid - it also has a well known and acknowledged cure as well as understood prevention measures. Just because we don't give Malaria the seriousness it deserves (it will kill 400k+ people worldwide this year) does not mean we should neglect something that has killed 280k+ deaths in 5 months 280k deaths worldwide but only 2k deaths in Africa and you want to take this thing seriously? How about we take other diseases and road accidents seriously first? the reason people are taking this thing seriously is because of the POTENTIAL to cause deaths and flood hospitals. We know the others need to be taken seriously - I am on record here stating we need to take Malaria seriously masukuma wrote:We live in a world where 7 jumbo jets full of children crash DAILY Quote:At least a million people die from malaria each year. Some put the estimates as high as 2.7 million.
90% of the deaths are in sub-Saharan Africa.
70% of the deaths are of children under 5.
That's equivalent to one child dying of malaria in Africa every 30 seconds.
Put another way, 7 jumbo jets full of children disappear because of malaria every day.
nothing to worry about right?
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masukuma wrote:mpobiz wrote:masukuma wrote:mpobiz wrote:mkenyan wrote:mpobiz wrote:masukuma wrote:wukan wrote:mkenyan wrote:
masukuma, i get your point and as you have raised before earlier in the thread. however, the getting of a positive case out of 3,809 tests (the same as with the kenya's low percentages on the targeted testing) cannot be used to discredit the theory that the disease may have been here longer. they are not doing a serology test to see if people have been infected before the test is for those who are currently positive. meaning if angelica's theory is right those low positives we are getting are only for those who came late to the party.
February flu keeps popping up Quote:Health officials in Nakuru County are searching for at least 20 people who got into contact with a 13-year-old Covid-19 patient. The boy from Nyakinyua village in Solai, Subukia Sub-county, was one of the 25 new patients the Health ministry announced on Thursday evening. Nakuru's Health executive Gichuki Kariuki said the patient was taken to Nakuru Level Five Hospital and that the officials had embarked on rapid contact tracing. TUBERCULOSIS The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February. He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital. https://www.nation.co.ke...46332-mk12wq/index.html
He may have been sick in February with TB and not necessarily COVID. Since he cannot have had Covid for 90+ days within him only for it to manifest now. The other thing is the Dec and Jan “bad flu” had symptom. Did anyone report Fevers specifically (that’s a huge sign of Covid). Ama ni kukohoa na makamasi (the last one not guaranteed to accompany Covid)?. How comes these symptoms suddenly disappeared and yet the disease was supposed to be spreading ? Have you considered that he may be reinfected? If nobody knows what is going on in the family or the village. The rate of infection and reinfection is unavoidable. masukuma's position is most likely correct. the last i read, the cases of people testing positive after recovery were actually false positives. It's very clear there was a mis diagnosis of this boy's ilness. When he went to the doctors in February the doctors immediately put the boy into TB meds. The boy goes home and all is well. He goes back to the hospital in april when the same symptoms paper again and the doctors now decide to do a covid test. They now discover the boy has been suffering from corona. On average TB treatment takes about 6 months. So you can't say that the boy is TB free and now has covid. The only explanation for this is that the boy went home and felt better(healed) only to be reinfected by a relative. Then he suffers the same syptoms and then goes back to the hospital. I hope that explains your 90+ days suspicion. So he was unfortunate enough to be caught by the disease in Feb in his village, he became symptomatic went to hospital was misdiagonised. Went home and recovered from it. Was reinfected again by the same strain in his village within an approx 60 day period - became symptomatic again, went to hospital was hospitalized for 28 days when they discovered he has Covid. No one else in his village has gotten bad enough to want to see a doctor - just him...twice! While the disease is new and we don't know the extreme behaviors here is an even simpler (more likely) explanation Nation wrote:The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February.
He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital. He was readmitted on April 13 for TB and was infected by a yet to be identified person who had been/is hospitalized/visited the hospital who actually has Covid. Remember he had been in the hospital for 28-days since April 13 before he was tested and found to have the virus. The symptoms generally take between 2 and 14 days to manifest but the majority have theirs on the 5th day or thereabout. The sickness generally takes 2 weeks (14 days) for 'mild' symptoms to disappear. so this would fit firmly within the 28 day period he was hospitalized. Do you remember telling us that?(in red) All symptoms had cleared. How can TB symptoms clear in a month? Now you tell us he was infected with In his second stay in hospital. That might be true also. I was not telling you! I was ASKING YOU A QUESTION that was never answered! Read this and tell me WHO TOLD YOU THE TB SYMPTOMS DISAPPEARED! Nation wrote:The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February.
He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital.
Sources at the hospital told the Nation that the patient developed severe breathing problems, prompting doctors to test him for Covid-19.
Among those who could be quarantined are health workers who attended to him at the facility and the people he interacted with on the 40km journey to Nakuru town by matatu. P.S. they tested him AFTER he Quote:developed severe breathing problems during the 28 days he was hospitalized for TB. Can I alaso ask you a question? Is tuberculosis not associated with servere breathing problems? How comes the same servere breathing problems that appeared in February cleared and the boy went home? When the same doctors noticed the boy was back in April with the same servere breathing problems why did they decide to test for covid? Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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Doktari just reminding us about a similar case
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The Ministry of Health has done an amazing job. The only people who can bring this great achievement to the gutter are the usual noise makers who make noise for the sake of doing so. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Tough new measures by MoH on truck drivers. Drivers will have to be tested & carry with them proof of that test for clearance in subsequent roadblocks all the way from Mombasa Trucks stopping points have been reduced as a containment measure
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Lolest! wrote:Doktari just reminding us about a similar case
Measures put in place are not the same. US was not testing at that point US has not implemented contact tracing US was quarantining/isolating people at home All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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mpobiz wrote:masukuma wrote:mpobiz wrote:masukuma wrote:mpobiz wrote:mkenyan wrote:mpobiz wrote:masukuma wrote:wukan wrote:mkenyan wrote:
masukuma, i get your point and as you have raised before earlier in the thread. however, the getting of a positive case out of 3,809 tests (the same as with the kenya's low percentages on the targeted testing) cannot be used to discredit the theory that the disease may have been here longer. they are not doing a serology test to see if people have been infected before the test is for those who are currently positive. meaning if angelica's theory is right those low positives we are getting are only for those who came late to the party.
February flu keeps popping up Quote:Health officials in Nakuru County are searching for at least 20 people who got into contact with a 13-year-old Covid-19 patient. The boy from Nyakinyua village in Solai, Subukia Sub-county, was one of the 25 new patients the Health ministry announced on Thursday evening. Nakuru's Health executive Gichuki Kariuki said the patient was taken to Nakuru Level Five Hospital and that the officials had embarked on rapid contact tracing. TUBERCULOSIS The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February. He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital. https://www.nation.co.ke...46332-mk12wq/index.html
He may have been sick in February with TB and not necessarily COVID. Since he cannot have had Covid for 90+ days within him only for it to manifest now. The other thing is the Dec and Jan “bad flu” had symptom. Did anyone report Fevers specifically (that’s a huge sign of Covid). Ama ni kukohoa na makamasi (the last one not guaranteed to accompany Covid)?. How comes these symptoms suddenly disappeared and yet the disease was supposed to be spreading ? Have you considered that he may be reinfected? If nobody knows what is going on in the family or the village. The rate of infection and reinfection is unavoidable. masukuma's position is most likely correct. the last i read, the cases of people testing positive after recovery were actually false positives. It's very clear there was a mis diagnosis of this boy's ilness. When he went to the doctors in February the doctors immediately put the boy into TB meds. The boy goes home and all is well. He goes back to the hospital in april when the same symptoms paper again and the doctors now decide to do a covid test. They now discover the boy has been suffering from corona. On average TB treatment takes about 6 months. So you can't say that the boy is TB free and now has covid. The only explanation for this is that the boy went home and felt better(healed) only to be reinfected by a relative. Then he suffers the same syptoms and then goes back to the hospital. I hope that explains your 90+ days suspicion. So he was unfortunate enough to be caught by the disease in Feb in his village, he became symptomatic went to hospital was misdiagonised. Went home and recovered from it. Was reinfected again by the same strain in his village within an approx 60 day period - became symptomatic again, went to hospital was hospitalized for 28 days when they discovered he has Covid. No one else in his village has gotten bad enough to want to see a doctor - just him...twice! While the disease is new and we don't know the extreme behaviors here is an even simpler (more likely) explanation Nation wrote:The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February.
He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital. He was readmitted on April 13 for TB and was infected by a yet to be identified person who had been/is hospitalized/visited the hospital who actually has Covid. Remember he had been in the hospital for 28-days since April 13 before he was tested and found to have the virus. The symptoms generally take between 2 and 14 days to manifest but the majority have theirs on the 5th day or thereabout. The sickness generally takes 2 weeks (14 days) for 'mild' symptoms to disappear. so this would fit firmly within the 28 day period he was hospitalized. Do you remember telling us that?(in red) All symptoms had cleared. How can TB symptoms clear in a month? Now you tell us he was infected with In his second stay in hospital. That might be true also. I was not telling you! I was ASKING YOU A QUESTION that was never answered! Read this and tell me WHO TOLD YOU THE TB SYMPTOMS DISAPPEARED! Nation wrote:The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February.
He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital.
Sources at the hospital told the Nation that the patient developed severe breathing problems, prompting doctors to test him for Covid-19.
Among those who could be quarantined are health workers who attended to him at the facility and the people he interacted with on the 40km journey to Nakuru town by matatu. P.S. they tested him AFTER he Quote:developed severe breathing problems during the 28 days he was hospitalized for TB. Can I alaso ask you a question? Is tuberculosis not associated with servere breathing problems? How comes the same servere breathing problems that appeared in February cleared and the boy went home? When the same doctors noticed the boy was back in April with the same servere breathing problems why did they decide to test for covid? In sever cases - most common symptom is coughing and coughing and coughing. Remember the timeline. Am I the only person who knows how to read here? They tested for Covid during the 28 day stay at the hospital when the patient DEVELOPED SEVERE BREATHING PROBLEMS. It’s right there in the news article. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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