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Elliott Wave Analysis Of The NSE 20
lochaz-index
#3421 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:10:38 PM
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mnandii wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
mnandii wrote:
mnandii wrote:


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This is what we have always maintained. When the stock market drops significantly, expect political, economic and other social ills including war. If the stock market rises, implying an elevation in social mood, expect good economic performance, a generally 'happy' populace, increased investment, peace etc.


Post 869

The social, economic and (geo) political fallout that will accompany or come after this pandemic will be epic on a global scale.

True. Though the cause is not the pandemic per se. The pandemic is but one of the manifestations of negative social mood.

Agreed. I think this is but the first wave of the pandemic. The second one will likely be more devastating as it will find many people already impoverished without much to lose. WW3 within the decade isn't a farfetched idea either.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
VituVingiSana
#3422 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:55:12 PM
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mnandii wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
mnandii wrote:
mnandii wrote:


....
This is what we have always maintained. When the stock market drops significantly, expect political, economic and other social ills including war. If the stock market rises, implying an elevation in social mood, expect good economic performance, a generally 'happy' populace, increased investment, peace etc.


Post 869

The social, economic and (geo) political fallout that will accompany or come after this pandemic will be epic on a global scale.

True. Though the cause is not the pandemic per se. The pandemic is but one of the manifestations of negative social mood.
Are you saying COVID-19 showed up because of the "negative social mood"? Laughing out loudly
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mnandii
#3423 Posted : Friday, May 01, 2020 8:08:35 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
mnandii wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
mnandii wrote:


Remember our 36/- target on Safaricom. Be ready to SHORT then.

Watching this one closely.


Safcom may have topped out at 33.50.

A move below 25.00 will be conformation that a top is set at 33.50. If that happens then expect Safcom to fall much further to at least 14.00.


Safaricom is holding above 30.



Bounce back yesterday and today.
@mnadii
What time interval are you looking at in your analysis.

Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
mnandii
#3424 Posted : Friday, May 01, 2020 8:10:05 AM
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Kenya to spend Sh640.8bn to pay debts

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Kenya is expected to spend up to Sh640.8 billion in the current fiscal year to service its Sh5.3 trillion debt, the 2020 Economic Survey report shows.

The country’s total stock of public debt went up by 16.8 per cent as at the end of June 2019, from Sh4.5 trillion the previous year.

That also saw the external debt, which accounted for 57 per cent of the total debt, growing by 17.7 per cent to stand at Sh3.02 trillion.

The external debt stood at Sh2.56 trillion in 2018. The National Treasury saw its appetite for domestic debt rise by 15.7 per cent to Sh2.29 trillion.


Will the Gov. raid your bank deposits? I wonder.
Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
mnandii
#3425 Posted : Friday, May 01, 2020 9:18:26 AM
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Defaults already?! So soon!

Schemes shouldn’t defer interest payments

Quote:
It is granted that desperate times call for desperate measures. Clearly, the coronavirus pandemic is causing the government to look for money even from the most unexpected corners.

Who would imagine that the government would as a survival tactic contemplate deferring payment of interest on government paper? Indeed, a deferral of payments of maturing Treasury bills and bonds as is being contemplated amounts to declaration of a default on domestic debt.

Have we thought of the wave of uncertainty that would ensue if we jeopardised the risk- free status of government paper?


link
Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
Ericsson
#3426 Posted : Friday, May 01, 2020 10:35:51 AM
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mnandii wrote:
Defaults already?! So soon!

Schemes shouldn’t defer interest payments

Quote:
It is granted that desperate times call for desperate measures. Clearly, the coronavirus pandemic is causing the government to look for money even from the most unexpected corners.

Who would imagine that the government would as a survival tactic contemplate deferring payment of interest on government paper? Indeed, a deferral of payments of maturing Treasury bills and bonds as is being contemplated amounts to declaration of a default on domestic debt.

Have we thought of the wave of uncertainty that would ensue if we jeopardised the risk- free status of government paper?


link


They have been deferring on redeeming the principal and asking investors to rollover
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
muandiwambeu
#3427 Posted : Friday, May 01, 2020 1:07:54 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Defaults already?! So soon!

Schemes shouldn’t defer interest payments

Quote:
It is granted that desperate times call for desperate measures. Clearly, the coronavirus pandemic is causing the government to look for money even from the most unexpected corners.

Who would imagine that the government would as a survival tactic contemplate deferring payment of interest on government paper? Indeed, a deferral of payments of maturing Treasury bills and bonds as is being contemplated amounts to declaration of a default on domestic debt.

Have we thought of the wave of uncertainty that would ensue if we jeopardised the risk- free status of government paper?


link


They have been deferring on redeeming the principal and asking investors to rollover

Layman's explanation would be like this
Uncle Sam is in difficult financial position and is forced to borrow from John to pay Peter. Or simply, as above cause you have to or will be made too and at a loss of a promise that may or may never be.
Being bananared is the thing. Beleaguering belligered investors it is. Feeling the heat of shafting shafts. Am concern for my tight ninihiyo under the wreek.d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
mnandii
#3428 Posted : Friday, May 01, 2020 2:10:43 PM
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Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
mnandii
#3429 Posted : Friday, May 01, 2020 2:12:37 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Defaults already?! So soon!

Schemes shouldn’t defer interest payments

Quote:
It is granted that desperate times call for desperate measures. Clearly, the coronavirus pandemic is causing the government to look for money even from the most unexpected corners.

Who would imagine that the government would as a survival tactic contemplate deferring payment of interest on government paper? Indeed, a deferral of payments of maturing Treasury bills and bonds as is being contemplated amounts to declaration of a default on domestic debt.

Have we thought of the wave of uncertainty that would ensue if we jeopardised the risk- free status of government paper?


link


They have been deferring on redeeming the principal and asking investors to rollover


Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
mnandii
#3430 Posted : Friday, May 01, 2020 2:14:12 PM
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muandiwambeu wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Defaults already?! So soon!

Schemes shouldn’t defer interest payments

Quote:
It is granted that desperate times call for desperate measures. Clearly, the coronavirus pandemic is causing the government to look for money even from the most unexpected corners.

Who would imagine that the government would as a survival tactic contemplate deferring payment of interest on government paper? Indeed, a deferral of payments of maturing Treasury bills and bonds as is being contemplated amounts to declaration of a default on domestic debt.

Have we thought of the wave of uncertainty that would ensue if we jeopardised the risk- free status of government paper?


link


They have been deferring on redeeming the principal and asking investors to rollover

Layman's explanation would be like this
Uncle Sam is in difficult financial position and is forced to borrow from John to pay Peter. Or simply, as above cause you have to or will be made too and at a loss of a promise that may or may never be.
Being bananared is the thing. Beleaguering belligered investors it is. Feeling the heat of shafting shafts. Am concern for my tight ninihiyo under the wreek.d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!

Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
rwitre
#3431 Posted : Friday, May 01, 2020 2:38:33 PM
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mnandii wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Defaults already?! So soon!

Schemes shouldn’t defer interest payments

Quote:
It is granted that desperate times call for desperate measures. Clearly, the coronavirus pandemic is causing the government to look for money even from the most unexpected corners.

Who would imagine that the government would as a survival tactic contemplate deferring payment of interest on government paper? Indeed, a deferral of payments of maturing Treasury bills and bonds as is being contemplated amounts to declaration of a default on domestic debt.

Have we thought of the wave of uncertainty that would ensue if we jeopardised the risk- free status of government paper?


link


They have been deferring on redeeming the principal and asking investors to rollover

Layman's explanation would be like this
Uncle Sam is in difficult financial position and is forced to borrow from John to pay Peter. Or simply, as above cause you have to or will be made too and at a loss of a promise that may or may never be.
Being bananared is the thing. Beleaguering belligered investors it is. Feeling the heat of shafting shafts. Am concern for my tight ninihiyo under the wreek.d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!



Would be disastrous.
Pray
mnandii
#3432 Posted : Monday, May 04, 2020 7:17:13 AM
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Fall of Real Estate

Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
lochaz-index
#3433 Posted : Monday, May 04, 2020 7:45:46 AM
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mnandii wrote:
Defaults already?! So soon!

Schemes shouldn’t defer interest payments

Quote:
It is granted that desperate times call for desperate measures. Clearly, the coronavirus pandemic is causing the government to look for money even from the most unexpected corners.

Who would imagine that the government would as a survival tactic contemplate deferring payment of interest on government paper? Indeed, a deferral of payments of maturing Treasury bills and bonds as is being contemplated amounts to declaration of a default on domestic debt.

Have we thought of the wave of uncertainty that would ensue if we jeopardised the risk- free status of government paper?


link

Pensioners get the short end of the stick in any country's crisis as the closest and easiest cookie jar for governments to confiscate. The long term effects of such an action would put all KE assets on the sellside of the equation for a long time. It would take ages to build up public trust of any kind. Without a debt moratorium or wide rangind debt relief, this course of action is bound to occur hot on the heels of the devastation left behind by the pandemic.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
Ericsson
#3434 Posted : Monday, May 04, 2020 10:06:34 AM
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mnandii wrote:
Diamond Trust bank. Bottom targets lie at 68, 54, 43 and 35. Ksh. 54 is likely since by then wave C will be touching the bottom trend line. Be ready to buy.



Now at 82
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Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#3435 Posted : Monday, May 04, 2020 10:08:10 AM
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mnandii wrote:


Nation Media Group should be bottoming. An impulsive rise to above 44.00 will be confirmation that a bottom is in place.


Below wave 5,now at 21
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#3436 Posted : Monday, May 04, 2020 10:13:40 AM
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mnandii wrote:
NSE 20 SHARE INDEX


Expect NSE 20 Share index to continue falling to levels below 1700.


Waiting to see, we are currently oscillating between 1950-2000
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#3437 Posted : Monday, May 04, 2020 10:18:43 AM
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heri wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
mnandii wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
mnandii wrote:


Remember our 36/- target on Safaricom. Be ready to SHORT then.

Watching this one closely.


Safcom may have topped out at 33.50.

A move below 25.00 will be conformation that a top is set at 33.50. If that happens then expect Safcom to fall much further to at least 14.00.


Safaricom is holding above 30.


Does it mean we might actually see the prices i initially thought were crazy on this thread??


Safaricom has a resistance at 29,going above is proving to be difficult.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Angelica _ann
#3438 Posted : Monday, May 04, 2020 11:03:05 AM
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mnandii wrote:
Fall of Real Estate



is this really fall of real estate ama ukora ya wakenya? ?
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Ericsson
#3439 Posted : Monday, May 04, 2020 7:11:26 PM
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lochaz-index wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Defaults already?! So soon!

Schemes shouldn’t defer interest payments

Quote:
It is granted that desperate times call for desperate measures. Clearly, the coronavirus pandemic is causing the government to look for money even from the most unexpected corners.

Who would imagine that the government would as a survival tactic contemplate deferring payment of interest on government paper? Indeed, a deferral of payments of maturing Treasury bills and bonds as is being contemplated amounts to declaration of a default on domestic debt.

Have we thought of the wave of uncertainty that would ensue if we jeopardised the risk- free status of government paper?


link

Pensioners get the short end of the stick in any country's crisis as the closest and easiest cookie jar for governments to confiscate. The long term effects of such an action would put all KE assets on the sellside of the equation for a long time. It would take ages to build up public trust of any kind. Without a debt moratorium or wide rangind debt relief, this course of action is bound to occur hot on the heels of the devastation left behind by the pandemic.


Have we tackled with wastage and corruption.
The amount of money lost through wastage and corruption as a percentage of the tax collected is too high.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
mnandii
#3440 Posted : Tuesday, May 05, 2020 1:00:04 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Fall of Real Estate



is this really fall of real estate ama ukora ya wakenya? ?


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