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Apricot
#1211 Posted : Thursday, April 16, 2020 7:12:15 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
The anti Testing crowd on wazua, Ghana had by yesterday tested over 50K cases. They have 641 cases with only 8 deaths. So testing positive isn't killing or harming anyone.

Ghana's population is about 30M vs our 47M so it's not that they have higher population. Their first case was on March 12, ours March 13.

Kenya hit the 10K mark for tests today.


West Africans seem to be doing well with this thing - maybe foods and immunity is good.


Listening to the good Prof Kim Woo Joo, the one leading the South Korean COVID-19 fight, I learned something useful. No one has immunity to the virus unless they have acquired antibodies after having recovered from Covid-19, are fighting it or have been vaccinated (not available yet).

So if West Africa is doing better than us, something else is at work there; and as Alma has suggested, they probably have learnt something from Ebola.
First time in history we can save the human race by laying in front of the TV and doing nothing. Let's not screw it up
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Apricot
#1212 Posted : Thursday, April 16, 2020 7:20:20 PM
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mpobiz wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
The anti Testing crowd on wazua, Ghana had by yesterday tested over 50K cases. They have 641 cases with only 8 deaths. So testing positive isn't killing or harming anyone.

Ghana's population is about 30M vs our 47M so it's not that they have higher population. Their first case was on March 12, ours March 13.

Kenya hit the 10K mark for tests today.



Yes I am anti testing because mass testing doesn't achieve anything. Why test then achieve a negative test result? that negative result doesn't guarantee that a person can't turn positive even seconds after testing. Testing should be done on people showing symptoms or people under quarantine on suspicion of having contact with a victim.. The rest is just a waste of resources.
This testing resources should be directed to prevention measures and public awareness.


Innovation is making testing simpler and cheaper.
Soon it will be easier to test quickly for the virus and test to detect IgG antibody to SARS-CoV-2 (Detecting these IgG antibodies will help determine if a person was previously infected with the virus that causes COVID-19)
If this is the case, then it will make sense to test a lot.
People shall have confidence to return to work knowing the other people around them are either uninfected or have recovered.
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kimanimsc
#1213 Posted : Thursday, April 16, 2020 7:34:10 PM
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Here is a near-perfect simulation of what is unfolding ....

When/where
Friday, October 18, 2019
8:45 a.m. – 12:30 p.m.
The Pierre hotel
New York, NY

The Event 201 scenario: https://www.centerforhea.../event201/scenario.html
Last paragraph:
"The scenario ends at the 18-month point, with 65 million deaths. The pandemic is beginning to slow due to the decreasing number of susceptible people. The pandemic will continue at some rate until there is an effective vaccine or until 80-90 % of the global population has been exposed. From that point on, it is likely to be an endemic childhood disease."

Event 201 Videos: https://www.centerforhea...org/event201/videos.html
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Dahatre
#1214 Posted : Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:06:43 PM
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mpobiz wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
The anti Testing crowd on wazua, Ghana had by yesterday tested over 50K cases. They have 641 cases with only 8 deaths. So testing positive isn't killing or harming anyone.

Ghana's population is about 30M vs our 47M so it's not that they have higher population. Their first case was on March 12, ours March 13.

Kenya hit the 10K mark for tests today.



Yes I am anti testing because mass testing doesn't achieve anything. Why test then achieve a negative test result? that negative result doesn't guarantee that a person can't turn positive even seconds after testing. Testing should be done on people showing symptoms or people under quarantine on suspicion of having contact with a victim.. The rest is just a waste of resources.
This testing resources should be directed to prevention measures and public awareness.


Agree...The hierarchy of actions when resources are scarce:
1. Hygiene
2. Physical distancing
3. Doing everything needed to facilitate 1&2 above (food, water community messaging etc)
4. Aggressively testing health care workers and strengthening their ability to care for patients
5. Testing symptomatic folks
5a. isolating/quarantining and treating those who are positive and are sick
5.b. aggressively following and testing contacts and isolating/quarantining/treating them as needed
6. Mass testing if resources allow then following steps 5a&b

The only time I would skip the order above is if a test to determine who has already had the disease and has immunity is available (AKA determining Seroprevalence). This would be important cuz we can let these people help others including possibly donating their plasma to treat the disease or if they are health care workers they can work with sick folks..

As for Ghana, you test more you get more cases...which may not always translate into more deaths. Our death numbers would be comparable if we had many more cases (tested more)
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Dahatre
#1215 Posted : Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:33:06 PM
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murchr wrote:
The Doc who made the world to wear masks has given another interview.

Yes - A corpse can transmit the virus. Handling the body can be dangerous as the virus lasts for upto 26 days in a body ofcourse without humudity and bacterial decay put into consideration. Korea cremates bodies by law

Yes - The body is producing anti-bodies that can prevent reinfection of the disease but a relapse is possible. The test kit can only test to a certain amount of viral load if the viral load is smaller that what is 3000 a patient can be deemed to be cured, however they need to continue their medication until they are completely cured.



A breath of fresh air!
I don't think we appreciate how provisional science and medicine are...You know you have a true scientist when you hear them accept they do not yet know some things.

Also appreciated clarifications of relapse vs re-infection. A virologist tried to explain it to me and my uji brain could not understand it.
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Apricot
#1216 Posted : Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:04:29 PM
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Dahatre wrote:
murchr wrote:
The Doc who made the world to wear masks has given another interview.

Yes - A corpse can transmit the virus. Handling the body can be dangerous as the virus lasts for upto 26 days in a body ofcourse without humudity and bacterial decay put into consideration. Korea cremates bodies by law

Yes - The body is producing anti-bodies that can prevent reinfection of the disease but a relapse is possible. The test kit can only test to a certain amount of viral load if the viral load is smaller that what is 3000 a patient can be deemed to be cured, however they need to continue their medication until they are completely cured.



A breath of fresh air!
I don't think we appreciate how provisional science and medicine are...You know you have a true scientist when you hear them accept they do not yet know some things.

Also appreciated clarifications of relapse vs re-infection. A virologist tried to explain it to me and my uji brain could not understand it.


Absolutely. Watched this video twice and plan to watch the previous episode.

Several other things I appreciated from this interview:

1. Covid-19 may have low fatality rate/but high infection rate due to the location of the receptors it targets (higher in the respiratory system). So even though it does not kill like the previous SARs Covids, it is highly contagious. MERS/Ebola/H5N1 Avian on the other hand have high fatality rates/low infection rates because the receptors (DPP4) the virus needs to bind to are deeper in the respiratory system; but are aplenty and once exposed, virus replicates rapidly.

2. Strengthening the immune system with the likes of Ginseng, vitamins, flu vaccination is not necessarily helpful. They don't provide specific antibodies that can fight the virus.

3. Cytokine storm - Young, healthy people with strong immune system succumbing to the virus because their immune system overreacts and begins to annihilate their own body.
First time in history we can save the human race by laying in front of the TV and doing nothing. Let's not screw it up
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Shak
#1217 Posted : Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:48:36 PM
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Apricot wrote:
Dahatre wrote:
murchr wrote:
The Doc who made the world to wear masks has given another interview.

Yes - A corpse can transmit the virus. Handling the body can be dangerous as the virus lasts for upto 26 days in a body ofcourse without humudity and bacterial decay put into consideration. Korea cremates bodies by law

Yes - The body is producing anti-bodies that can prevent reinfection of the disease but a relapse is possible. The test kit can only test to a certain amount of viral load if the viral load is smaller that what is 3000 a patient can be deemed to be cured, however they need to continue their medication until they are completely cured.



A breath of fresh air!
I don't think we appreciate how provisional science and medicine are...You know you have a true scientist when you hear them accept they do not yet know some things.

Also appreciated clarifications of relapse vs re-infection. A virologist tried to explain it to me and my uji brain could not understand it.


Absolutely. Watched this video twice and plan to watch the previous episode.

Several other things I appreciated from this interview:

1. Covid-19 may have low fatality rate/but high infection rate due to the location of the receptors it targets (higher in the respiratory system). So even though it does not kill like the previous SARs Covids, it is highly contagious. MERS/Ebola/H5N1 Avian on the other hand have high fatality rates/low infection rates because the receptors (DPP4) the virus needs to bind to are deeper in the respiratory system; but are aplenty and once exposed, virus replicates rapidly.

2. Strengthening the immune system with the likes of Ginseng, vitamins, flu vaccination is not necessarily helpful. They don't provide specific antibodies that can fight the virus.

3. Cytokine storm - Young, healthy people with strong immune system succumbing to the virus because their immune system overreacts and begins to annihilate their own body.


Excellent and very informative. I'll be sure to tune in to the next interview. Thanks @murchr.
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madollar
#1218 Posted : Friday, April 17, 2020 2:52:34 AM
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Were they in quarantine did they pick them randomly on the streets was it from contact tracing .

how does it compare to other countries

Most Covid-19 patients in Kenya had no symptoms - Ministry report

A majority of Covid-19 patients had no symptoms when they tested positive, a situation report by the Ministry of Health shows.

The report dated April 16 shows that 59 per cent of the 225 cases announced by Wednesday were asymptomatic.
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murchr
#1219 Posted : Friday, April 17, 2020 6:39:36 AM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980


Yes China lied and continues to lie bigtime
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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wukan
#1220 Posted : Friday, April 17, 2020 8:00:48 AM
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Joined: 11/13/2015
Posts: 1,658
madollar wrote:
Were they in quarantine did they pick them randomly on the streets was it from contact tracing .

how does it compare to other countries

Most Covid-19 patients in Kenya had no symptoms - Ministry report

A majority of Covid-19 patients had no symptoms when they tested positive, a situation report by the Ministry of Health shows.

The report dated April 16 shows that 59 per cent of the 225 cases announced by Wednesday were asymptomatic.


The 'smart, stable genius' as Trump described it. It will lurk around looking for vulnerable people then boom!

So what do we say to the god of death?
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