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Nandwa
#1161 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:31:03 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
sqft wrote:
Dahatre wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
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Dahatre wrote:
Who died and made Bill and Melinda Gates experts on how Africa will be affected by the corona virus?

Both she and her husband can never quite hide their motive for their interest in Africa’s “wellbeing”…Here she slips and calls their efforts “the business of vaccines.” She totally dodges the question of Black people dying disproportionately in her own country.

What am I not getting! Looking at the numbers trajectory and time, no normal American should be talking about how bad it is going to get in africa. God forbid if numbers in africa gets to americas...I know for a fact we will always be trailing the world due to measures taken so far. Americans are calling airtravel essential while Kenya is running scared on any one who has taken a flight recently. AFRICA FIGHT, soon they will learning from us, GOK guidelines are bearable and doable, The GATES think africa is a giant slum

Bill Gates polio vaccines left a big mess in India. Over 40,000 polio infections after getting the vaccine so he was kicked out. This guy uses 3rd world countries as his rab rats to test all kind of medication which he has under development. If he has covid-19 vaccine he should start with Americans, Italians, Spaniards then come to Africa last!

Here’s what we have that the Gates’ of this world are overlooking:

1. Some of the best experts in infectious diseases are Africans or foreigners who work in Africa-Americans and Europeans know non-infectious diseases better than we do.

2. Because of the HIV/ Ebola/TB experiences, we have one of the best case tracing systems in the world. Tracking down people others have infected is an art and we have it down pat. Community health workers do an amazing job of this.

3. We can easily do mass testing for both the virus and testing for immunity by using our existing network of VCT testing centers. All we need are accurate testing kits.

4. We have some of the best community messaging methods in the world. We are more communal so messages penetrate faster than they would in other places in the world.

I am keeping an eye on Uganda. They are likely to come out of this looking as good as South Korea even though testing is not currently a big part of their approach. They are simply using the infrastructure they built with HIV to control corona virus. They also have a better food distribution system to support their lockdown.

I cannot say the same about us…

Bill Gates and wife should concentrate on Europe and the US where people are dying like flies due to corona. Not Africa.

These are the guys you have been loving so much. Your darlings all these years, when they fake an invasion to Middle East you celebrated. Now they came up with something man-made, this is touching you, now you feel it. Uncle Sam!

The issues are too serious for such parochial outbursts and the usual nutty conspiracy theories.
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
Shak
#1162 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:16:58 AM
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When this pandemic comes to an end, Trump should be charged with causing needless deaths of thousands of Americans due to incompetence and arrogance.
Angelica _ann
#1163 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:50:26 AM
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Shak wrote:
When this pandemic comes to an end, Trump should be charged with causing needless deaths of thousands of Americans due to incompetence and arrogance.


Yesterday, at the beginning of the white house coronavirus tasks force briefing, he opted to show campaign like clips. Guy is crazy and bila feelings.
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Shak
#1164 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:01:45 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Shak wrote:
When this pandemic comes to an end, Trump should be charged with causing needless deaths of thousands of Americans due to incompetence and arrogance.


Yesterday, at the beginning of the white house coronavirus tasks force briefing, he opted to show campaign like clips. Guy is crazy and bila feelings.

Quite shocking. He is completely unhinged.
masukuma
#1165 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:58:53 PM
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Shak wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Shak wrote:
When this pandemic comes to an end, Trump should be charged with causing needless deaths of thousands of Americans due to incompetence and arrogance.


Yesterday, at the beginning of the white house coronavirus tasks force briefing, he opted to show campaign like clips. Guy is crazy and bila feelings.

Quite shocking. He is completely unhinged.

People wonder what "being" presidential is and the worth of such a demeanor... it's for such a time as now!
This is a person who had figured out how to coax, cajole, persuade, threaten people into action.
His life has always been a series of bluffs, exercises in name-calling and grandstanding. He has skillfully pitted one side against the other for his own benefit. He used threats and statements in exaggerations with liberty and it somehow worked... because this stuff that works around humans. it worked with nations.
But the problem is the world we live in is not all intelligent enough to buy what he is selling. the Virus we are facing is a floating strand of RNA enveloped in a protein sheath looking for the next viable host to use for replicating. It doesn't care... it's incapable of caring... you an call it the Wuhan Virus, The Chinese Virus, Sars-Cov-2... IT DOESN'T CARE! It does not know what you call it... heck it does not even know its called a VIRUS! it's incapable of knowing... the only thing that people should be engaged in right now is focusing on what actually stops it. that is not in the realm of politics. The virus does not know the age, the race, the gender of its next victim... it finds a viable cell receptor where it can stick that Spike protein on its surface then if successful - it uses that cell to replicate and it's offspring do exactly what their parent did - look for other cells to do the same to.
Let's focus on the basics!!
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masukuma
#1166 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:31:49 PM
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Even George Bush was Presidential


He talks about the things that would be required... it's not what Trump can do... Do you know what moved George Bush to be like this? He READ ABOUT.. IN A BOOK. Trump doesn't read... Reading requires you to desire knowledge... it needs you to appreciate the fact that you don't know it all. In his head - Trump is a stable genius, he has the best words, his uncle was at MIT. He is the worst person to lead such a country as the US during such a difficult period.
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Lolest!
#1167 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:48:00 PM
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I am keeping an eye on Uganda. They are likely to come out of this looking as good as South Korea even though testing is not currently a big part of their approach. They are simply using the infrastructure they built with HIV to control corona virus. They also have a better food distribution system to support their lockdown.

Uganda will most likely do well, I agree. But not so much coz of HIV experience but Ebola experience. Ebola & Corona mode of spreading have some similarities.

Uganda have had to deal with DRC's Ebola outbreaks as they share a long border
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sqft
#1168 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2020 2:03:37 PM
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Shak wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Shak wrote:
When this pandemic comes to an end, Trump should be charged with causing needless deaths of thousands of Americans due to incompetence and arrogance.


Yesterday, at the beginning of the white house coronavirus tasks force briefing, he opted to show campaign like clips. Guy is crazy and bila feelings.

Quite shocking. He is completely unhinged.


Trump has done a good job dealing with the virus. What do people want? Trump was condemned and called racist when he banned flights from china. The europeans complained when he banned flights from europe. He was condemned when he proposed that doctors use antimalarial drugs to deal with corona (NB china, japan, britain are using the same drugs to manage the virus). He was accused of piracy when he took masks that a US company was secretly exporting to germany and canada instead of supplying to the US. He was condemned when he proposed that every american be given $1,200 to help them while on quarantine. They are now accusing him of trying to rush to reopen the economy. Sasa mnataka Trump afanye nini? Humans will never be grateful. They even crucified Jesus when he came to save them.


Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
sqft
#1169 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2020 2:38:48 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Even George Bush was Presidential

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSDC5L7qYUc

He talks about the things that would be required... it's not what Trump can do... Do you know what moved George Bush to be like this? He READ ABOUT.. IN A BOOK. Trump doesn't read... Reading requires you to desire knowledge... it needs you to appreciate the fact that you don't know it all. In his head - Trump is a stable genius, he has the best words, his uncle was at MIT. He is the worst person to lead such a country as the US during such a difficult period.


Hey. Trump has a coronavirus task force that includes top disease experts among them Dr Fauci, who has confirmed publicly that Trump follows their advice. Trump doesnt need to read a book to manage corona. He has experts. Seems you don't know how the govt and presidency works.

https://www.whitehouse.g...coronavirus-task-force/


Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
murchr
#1170 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2020 3:39:19 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Even George Bush was Presidential


He talks about the things that would be required... it's not what Trump can do... Do you know what moved George Bush to be like this? He READ ABOUT.. IN A BOOK. Trump doesn't read... Reading requires you to desire knowledge... it needs you to appreciate the fact that you don't know it all. In his head - Trump is a stable genius, he has the best words, his uncle was at MIT. He is the worst person to lead such a country as the US during such a difficult period.



Interesting, even kasin was on it in 2014. Unfortunately the team he formed was swept out by Trumpamba


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Apricot
#1171 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2020 5:37:33 PM
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With benefit of hindsight, it is easy to say that Trump took all the needed action (to some he did a good job if you follow the nutty Hannity). The point is how much time he wasted between the time the Covid warning was provided in his daily briefing, the warning from his staff that this was serious and not a hoax. If you care to, you can see the virus's timeline https://www.nytimes.com/...ronavirus-timeline.html and then look at US's response and see if DJT really did a good job (unless having over 23,000 deaths in less than 2 months and leading the world in infections is a good job)

And you have to also ask yourself, why have states been competing with the federal government for PPE and ventilators in the open market. Who have the Feds/FEMA been sending those so called pirated masks to? If you listen to Hannity, I know your answer.

I am glad my governor chose to take this seriously in early March and closed schools, universities, and non-essential businesses and for that we have prevented a run on our health infrastructure. And I look forward to my governor ignoring the so called "absolute authority" of DJT and only opening up the states businesses based on data and Public health advice.
First time in history we can save the human race by laying in front of the TV and doing nothing. Let's not screw it up
masukuma
#1172 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2020 5:54:50 PM
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I don’t understand why try to convince others that Trump did a “good job” on this. How well a job is done will be computed based on two things

1) How Many Lives are lost
2) The economic toll

That’s it! So let’s stop trying to convince others that someone has done a good job when the number of people lost so far is 7 times more than 9/11 and there are over 16 million jobs lost. Mark you this is still accumulating. So I ask you - considering all the warnings made years in advance. The teams setup to respond to this type of scenario was disbanded.

I ask again... do you think the virus cares about the politics?
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sqft
#1173 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:37:07 PM
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Maybe Trump should have done NOTHING like Sweden. He should have ignored the 'homa' like the swedes. Then everyone would be happy. Sweden ignored the global corona-panic and now they are safe and the economy is doing great.




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Lolest!
#1174 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:34:20 PM
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sqft wrote:
Maybe Trump should have done NOTHING like Sweden. He should have ignored the 'homa' like the swedes. Then everyone would be happy. Sweden ignored the global corona-panic and now they are safe and the economy is doing great.





This is where Magufuli gets his inspiration from?
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sqft
#1175 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:46:08 PM
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masukuma wrote:
I don’t understand why try to convince others that Trump did a “good job” on this. How well a job is done will be computed based on two things

1) How Many Lives are lost
2) The economic toll

That’s it! So let’s stop trying to convince others that someone has done a good job when the number of people lost so far is 7 times more than 9/11 and there are over 16 million jobs lost. Mark you this is still accumulating. So I ask you - considering all the warnings made years in advance. The teams setup to respond to this type of scenario was disbanded.

I ask again... do you think the virus cares about the politics?



So what else do you want Trump to do? All countries under lockdown, including kenya, are suffering job losses. Also note that the number of corona deaths in the US, a country with a population of >300 million is still quite low, and the numbers are lower than those of people who die due to flu. Also do you want to say that Trump's corona response team comprising among other top experts Dr Fauci, the head of infectious diseases in the US, Prof Dr Redfield the head of the US Centre for disease control, Dr Jerome Adams the black man who is the US Surgeon General, and Dr Alex Azar, the US Minister for Health is incompetent?
Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
masukuma
#1176 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:09:57 PM
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sqft wrote:
masukuma wrote:
I don’t understand why try to convince others that Trump did a “good job” on this. How well a job is done will be computed based on two things

1) How Many Lives are lost
2) The economic toll

That’s it! So let’s stop trying to convince others that someone has done a good job when the number of people lost so far is 7 times more than 9/11 and there are over 16 million jobs lost. Mark you this is still accumulating. So I ask you - considering all the warnings made years in advance. The teams setup to respond to this type of scenario was disbanded.

I ask again... do you think the virus cares about the politics?



So what else do you want Trump to do? All countries under lockdown, including kenya, are suffering job losses. Also note that the number of corona deaths in the US, a country with a population of >300 million is still quite low, and the numbers are lower than those of people who die due to flu. Also do you want to say that Trump's corona response team comprising among other top experts Dr Fauci, the head of infectious diseases in the US, Prof Dr Redfield the head of the US Centre for disease control, Dr Jerome Adams the black man who is the US Surgeon General, and Dr Alex Azar, the US Minister for Health is incompetent?


Nothing he can do now other than be a f*cking president... I have not heard people complain about the Italian prime minister the same way people complain about Trump... WHY? the f*cker is not presidential - he still thinks he knows everything... pushing for dubious cures... being controversial... asking governors to be nice to him. for now - let him be presidential. Let the professionals do their jobs. Let him not make random comments on subject matters that are not his forte... but of course he cannot do this!

the reckoning on the deaths and economy will come later
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masukuma
#1177 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:29:14 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
sqft wrote:
Maybe Trump should have done NOTHING like Sweden. He should have ignored the 'homa' like the swedes. Then everyone would be happy. Sweden ignored the global corona-panic and now they are safe and the economy is doing great.





This is where Magufuli gets his inspiration from?

it's not all rosy my friend

Quote:
Sweden's relatively relaxed approach to controlling the spread of the coronavirus has come under fire in international media and from many locals in the capital Stockholm, where more than half the country's deaths have been recorded. Now, 22 researchers have publicly criticized the strategy and called on politicians to make changes.


I checked on the stats and this is it

Sweden has 10 million people and 11,445 cases (113.33 per 100,000 persons) and 1,033 deaths (9.03% case fatality)
Denmark has 5.6 million people and 6,511 (115.78 per 100,000 persons) and 299 deaths (4.46% case fatality)
Norway has 5.3 million people and 6,623 (122.17 per 100,000 persons) and 139 deaths (2.10% case fatality)
Finland has 5.5 million people and 3,161 cases (57.05 per 100,000 persons) and 64 deaths (2.02% case fatality)

So while the number of people getting infected in Sweden, Denmark and Norway are almost the same - the fatality of the cases in Sweden is more than twice as high as Denmark and more than 4 times as high as Norway and Finland!



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sqft
#1178 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:35:28 PM
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masukuma wrote:
sqft wrote:
masukuma wrote:
I don’t understand why try to convince others that Trump did a “good job” on this. How well a job is done will be computed based on two things

1) How Many Lives are lost
2) The economic toll

That’s it! So let’s stop trying to convince others that someone has done a good job when the number of people lost so far is 7 times more than 9/11 and there are over 16 million jobs lost. Mark you this is still accumulating. So I ask you - considering all the warnings made years in advance. The teams setup to respond to this type of scenario was disbanded.

I ask again... do you think the virus cares about the politics?



So what else do you want Trump to do? All countries under lockdown, including kenya, are suffering job losses. Also note that the number of corona deaths in the US, a country with a population of >300 million is still quite low, and the numbers are lower than those of people who die due to flu. Also do you want to say that Trump's corona response team comprising among other top experts Dr Fauci, the head of infectious diseases in the US, Prof Dr Redfield the head of the US Centre for disease control, Dr Jerome Adams the black man who is the US Surgeon General, and Dr Alex Azar, the US Minister for Health is incompetent?


Nothing he can do now other than be a f*cking president... I have not heard people complain about the Italian prime minister the same way people complain about Trump... WHY? the f*cker is not presidential - he still thinks he knows everything... pushing for dubious cures... being controversial... asking governors to be nice to him. for now - let him be presidential. Let the professionals do their jobs. Let him not make random comments on subject matters that are not his forte... but of course he cannot do this!

the reckoning on the deaths and economy will come later


But the New York times has reported that hydroxychloroquine that Trump recommends actually works. If you were on the death bed would you take hydroxychloroquine or would you rather die to spite Trump? FYI China, Hong Kong, France, Japan, UK, Israel etc are using the drug to manage corona.

https://www.nytimes.com/...oronavirus-malaria.html





Regarding governors, Trump has also ordered them to start corona testing and stop giving excuses.


https://www.dailymail.co...-useless-test-kits.html

Quote:
President Trump has now told governors it's their responsibility to get coronavirus testing perfected.

'Governors, get your states testing programs & apparatus perfected,' Trump ordered in a tweet on Sunday evening. 'Be ready, big things are happening. No excuses!

'The Federal Government is there to help. We are testing more than any country in the World. Also, gear up with Face Masks,' he continued.

Trump's latest comments come days after the federal government purchased a fleet of rapid coronavirus testing machines - which are able to deliver results within 15 minutes instead of days - and began distributing them across the country last week.



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sqft
#1179 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45:48 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
sqft wrote:
Maybe Trump should have done NOTHING like Sweden. He should have ignored the 'homa' like the swedes. Then everyone would be happy. Sweden ignored the global corona-panic and now they are safe and the economy is doing great.





This is where Magufuli gets his inspiration from?

it's not all rosy my friend

Quote:
Sweden's relatively relaxed approach to controlling the spread of the coronavirus has come under fire in international media and from many locals in the capital Stockholm, where more than half the country's deaths have been recorded. Now, 22 researchers have publicly criticized the strategy and called on politicians to make changes.


I checked on the stats and this is it

Sweden has 10 million people and 11,445 cases (113.33 per 100,000 persons) and 1,033 deaths (9.03% case fatality)
Denmark has 5.6 million people and 6,511 (115.78 per 100,000 persons) and 299 deaths (4.46% case fatality)
Norway has 5.3 million people and 6,623 (122.17 per 100,000 persons) and 139 deaths (2.10% case fatality)
Finland has 5.5 million people and 3,161 cases (57.05 per 100,000 persons) and 64 deaths (2.02% case fatality)

So while the number of people getting infected in Sweden, Denmark and Norway are almost the same - the fatality of the cases in Sweden is more than twice as high as Denmark and more than 4 times as high as Norway and Finland!





The swedish president should stop playing Russian roulette with citizens lives and start listening to medical experts just like Trump is listening to Dr Fauci, Dr Jerome, Prof Dr Redfield & co.
Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
mpobiz
#1180 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2020 12:02:34 AM
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You can continue this discussion all day but now that we all know that China held and is still holding crucial information on the virus. What we are seeing today was inevitable. Does it mean that the 0 numbers of victims in our hospitals is because of the clever and timely actions of our president?.
Trump is the best president America will ever get. I hope he gets four more years.
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