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kaka2za wrote:This thing has baffled even experts. Even WHO is saying don't use masks, no use masks.
Still a question about the relatively slower spread in Africa and South East Asia. The use of masks has been highlighted as a reason why Asia slowed the rate of infection. As WHO and US/UK discounted the use of masks, people in S.Korea Hongkong were busy purchasing the same. Am now not looking at the no of deaths so much as the number of those recovered. UK is raising eye brows "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Lolest! wrote:Bigchick wrote:kaka2za wrote:This thing has baffled even experts. Even WHO is saying don't use masks, no use masks.
Still a question about the relatively slower spread in Africa and South East Asia. Me thinks after this weekend if numbers remain the way they are(more so in terms of deaths),we can start thinking on a cautious back to work formula. That baffling thing whatever it is will continue protecting us. Remember some Doomsday guys had predicted 5000 by mid April,well..........we continue washing hands,social distancing and staying at home and now let's wear masks. #Weshallovercome. Those doomsday guys are the experts at ministry of health With rapid testing being introduced, 5k could be breached end month If we have 5K cases and hospitals have not recorded any strain then we should be fine. Truth forever on the scaffold
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tycho wrote:mkenyan wrote:MatataMingi wrote:[quote=tycho]I think the best thing for me to do, is write my paper and submit for peer review. If successful, then we can start thinking about clinical trials. A paper may be what we need now.
What we all need is a solution that is optimal for all of us. And it may be counterproductive for me to make noise here and fail to do the necessary tasks. @tycho, I have been reading your numerous posts on this thread, and not understanding what exactly you are trying to tell us. So, I wholeheartedly support your above suggestion. Stop wasting time here, and instead work on your paper. As you say, a paper may be what we need now. Thank you and good luck. you beat me to it. he is here whining about papers and the government stealing his work. and how he has a solution. and how everyone else is getting it wrong. irritating territory. write that paper already and let it be peer reviewed. and please stop whining. Guys: Achaneni na tycho..Ni wetu I think posting a lot on this thread is his way of dealing with the anxiety of this pandemic...Let him be.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Dahatre wrote:tycho wrote:mkenyan wrote:MatataMingi wrote:[quote=tycho]I think the best thing for me to do, is write my paper and submit for peer review. If successful, then we can start thinking about clinical trials. A paper may be what we need now.
What we all need is a solution that is optimal for all of us. And it may be counterproductive for me to make noise here and fail to do the necessary tasks. @tycho, I have been reading your numerous posts on this thread, and not understanding what exactly you are trying to tell us. So, I wholeheartedly support your above suggestion. Stop wasting time here, and instead work on your paper. As you say, a paper may be what we need now. Thank you and good luck. you beat me to it. he is here whining about papers and the government stealing his work. and how he has a solution. and how everyone else is getting it wrong. irritating territory. write that paper already and let it be peer reviewed. and please stop whining. Guys: Achaneni na tycho..Ni wetu I think posting a lot on this thread is his way of dealing with the anxiety of this pandemic...Let him be. @tycho You can watch this clip I think it will help in your research paper One thing that is standing out is the faster the tests, the better the end results - Patients are isolated and treated instead of mingling with people as they wait for the results. In the US, a test is taking 5-14 days before one gets their result back. Meanwhile, the person is still in this house transmitting the disease on whoever he comes across "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Lolest! wrote:Bigchick wrote:kaka2za wrote:This thing has baffled even experts. Even WHO is saying don't use masks, no use masks.
Still a question about the relatively slower spread in Africa and South East Asia. Me thinks after this weekend if numbers remain the way they are(more so in terms of deaths),we can start thinking on a cautious back to work formula. That baffling thing whatever it is will continue protecting us. Remember some Doomsday guys had predicted 5000 by mid April,well..........we continue washing hands,social distancing and staying at home and now let's wear masks. #Weshallovercome. Those doomsday guys are the experts at ministry of health With rapid testing being introduced, 5k could be breached end month Let us all resist this tests.. it will only cause a lot of panic. We all agree that the desease is here with us. Let the government wait for the sick in hospital. What do you think if 2 million Kenyans went for cancer screening today. I mean any cancer. The number of positive cases will break all your hearts. Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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sqft wrote:Ngalaka wrote:sqft wrote:Ngalaka wrote:sqft wrote:wukan wrote:
Have you seen the disproportionate death toll among the black americans? In some areas they are suffering 70% of the reported deaths yet they make 30% of population. The cheap fast food/poor diet is a huge contributor to the lifestyle diseases making them vulnerable to covid.
Is Boris Johnson black? Is prince charles black? Are all the dead italians, spaniads, frenchmen, britons, chinese black? When the white man is faced with tough and hopeless situations he has to find excuses and distractions to hide his helplessness and console himself. In the US itself the number of dead is 70% white, 15% black, and asians plus ethnic minorities is 15%. Why concentrate on and highlight the 15% dead blacks and not the 70% dead whites? [YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll3HCx7Yc7c/YOUTUBE] So a global pandemic sweeping throughout the world has now been reduced to what is happening in black ghettos in US cities? Should kenya also release its data and say whites are more likely to be infected coz they make up only 0.1% of the population but account for 50% of the cases? Arguing for the sake of arguing isn't too helpful. Stats reveal various angles, and the above is just one of them. The black community in the US, the the elite there, with a rich history of championing black welfare appreciate the fact and are calling for preaching remedial measures to the community as a matter of priority. Not everything is a white vs black tussle - for crying out loud! What they should be telling us is that communicable diseases such as corona, flu etc, are more likely to spread at higher rates where people live in higher density areas such as inner cities, than in the outer suburbs and rural areas. This is true whether you live in japan, china, italy, UK, Kenya etc. The higher rates for blacks and ethnic minorities in the US is only because they are more likely to be living in the inner city than in low density suburbs or rural areas. It has nothing to do with being blackamerican by race. Anyone living in a high rise apartment or ghetto anywhere in the world from madrid, NY, london, mumbai, Tokyo, wuhan to nairobi is more likely to be infected than someone living isolated in an outer suburb or rural area. #Epidemiology 101. May be what those blacks on TV should be advocating for is land/housing reform since for many years blacks could not own land (or homes) in rural areas or suburbs due to discrimination and that is how they ended up in the crowded inner cities. Public Health 101: If a group of people is getting sick/dying disproportionately to their numbers in the population, study the problem, figure out why and direct resources to that group, hence the documentation of numbers by race..
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mpobiz wrote:Lolest! wrote:Bigchick wrote:kaka2za wrote:This thing has baffled even experts. Even WHO is saying don't use masks, no use masks.
Still a question about the relatively slower spread in Africa and South East Asia. Me thinks after this weekend if numbers remain the way they are(more so in terms of deaths),we can start thinking on a cautious back to work formula. That baffling thing whatever it is will continue protecting us. Remember some Doomsday guys had predicted 5000 by mid April,well..........we continue washing hands,social distancing and staying at home and now let's wear masks. #Weshallovercome. Those doomsday guys are the experts at ministry of health With rapid testing being introduced, 5k could be breached end month Let us all resist this tests.. it will only cause a lot of panic. We all agree that the desease is here with us. Let the government wait for the sick in hospital. What do you think if 2 million Kenyans went for cancer screening today. I mean any cancer. The number of positive cases will break all your hearts. Interesting. The Eldoret case was in quarantine for 2 weeks with NO SYMPTOMS. Now govt has ordered all private facilities doing tests to update the ministry. Idadi itaongezeka pakubwa
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/21/2009 Posts: 602
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sqft wrote:Ngalaka wrote:sqft wrote:Ngalaka wrote:sqft wrote:wukan wrote:
Have you seen the disproportionate death toll among the black americans? In some areas they are suffering 70% of the reported deaths yet they make 30% of population. The cheap fast food/poor diet is a huge contributor to the lifestyle diseases making them vulnerable to covid.
Is Boris Johnson black? Is prince charles black? Are all the dead italians, spaniads, frenchmen, britons, chinese black? When the white man is faced with tough and hopeless situations he has to find excuses and distractions to hide his helplessness and console himself. In the US itself the number of dead is 70% white, 15% black, and asians plus ethnic minorities is 15%. Why concentrate on and highlight the 15% dead blacks and not the 70% dead whites? [YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll3HCx7Yc7c/YOUTUBE] So a global pandemic sweeping throughout the world has now been reduced to what is happening in black ghettos in US cities? Should kenya also release its data and say whites are more likely to be infected coz they make up only 0.1% of the population but account for 50% of the cases? Arguing for the sake of arguing isn't too helpful. Stats reveal various angles, and the above is just one of them. The black community in the US, the the elite there, with a rich history of championing black welfare appreciate the fact and are calling for preaching remedial measures to the community as a matter of priority. Not everything is a white vs black tussle - for crying out loud! What they should be telling us is that communicable diseases such as corona, flu etc, are more likely to spread at higher rates where people live in higher density areas such as inner cities, than in the outer suburbs and rural areas. This is true whether you live in japan, china, italy, UK, Kenya etc. The higher rates for blacks and ethnic minorities in the US is only because they are more likely to be living in the inner city than in low density suburbs or rural areas. It has nothing to do with being blackamerican by race. Anyone living in a high rise apartment or ghetto anywhere in the world from madrid, NY, london, mumbai, Tokyo, wuhan to nairobi is more likely to be infected than someone living isolated in an outer suburb or rural area. #Epidemiology 101. May be what those blacks on TV should be advocating for is land/housing reform since for many years blacks could not own land (or homes) in rural areas or suburbs due to discrimination and that is how they ended up in the crowded inner cities. You obviously understand the housing/land part of systemic racism but cannot seem to connect it to other aspects of life (education, jobs, health etc). They are all interconnected. There is a book called Medical Apartheid that covers the abuses white America has perpetrated on Black people. It includes denial of treatment, being experimented on by scientists, assumptions that black people do not feel pain etc etc. It would not surprise me if we hear Black patients are being denied access to ventilators and critical care when they present with CV. As for discussing Black people in the USA I hope we continue to do it cuz, they are our people, and NOTHING makes you understand white supremacy better than understanding the history/experiences of Black people in America…Nothing.
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Lolest! wrote:mpobiz wrote:Lolest! wrote:Bigchick wrote:kaka2za wrote:This thing has baffled even experts. Even WHO is saying don't use masks, no use masks.
Still a question about the relatively slower spread in Africa and South East Asia. Me thinks after this weekend if numbers remain the way they are(more so in terms of deaths),we can start thinking on a cautious back to work formula. That baffling thing whatever it is will continue protecting us. Remember some Doomsday guys had predicted 5000 by mid April,well..........we continue washing hands,social distancing and staying at home and now let's wear masks. #Weshallovercome. Those doomsday guys are the experts at ministry of health With rapid testing being introduced, 5k could be breached end month Let us all resist this tests.. it will only cause a lot of panic. We all agree that the desease is here with us. Let the government wait for the sick in hospital. What do you think if 2 million Kenyans went for cancer screening today. I mean any cancer. The number of positive cases will break all your hearts. Interesting. The Eldoret case was in quarantine for 2 weeks with NO SYMPTOMS. Now govt has ordered all private facilities doing tests to update the ministry. Idadi itaongezeka pakubwa You are of the opinion that we have many cases being tested in private facilities? True cases will go up but not in the crazy levels that were being projected.Like has been pointed out by Masukuma nobody can claim experience in this pandemic therefore even our guys at MOH are using models to project what can happen. Am comforted by the fact that DG Kilifi had contact with his boss Kilifi Governor and the Governor did not get it.Meaning coming into contact with a carrier does not mean you automatically get it.Am also comforted by the fact that with close to 5000 tests,179 are what turned positive. There is hope.We shall overcome. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Now go and comfort families of those who have died in England, Scotland and wales that they shouldn't worry much because black Americans in US ghettos have a proportionally higher death rate. Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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sqft wrote:Now go and comfort families of those who have died in England, Scotland and wales that they shouldn't worry much because black Americans in US ghettos have a proportionally higher death rate.
I also see 200k tested. What if you get tested today then after a week you get infected. Or does it mean that when you get tested you become immune? This is the most futile exercise in human history. We should all observe high levels of hygiene and social distance measures. Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/10/2015 Posts: 961 Location: Kenya
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Dahatre wrote:sqft wrote:Ngalaka wrote:sqft wrote:Ngalaka wrote:sqft wrote:wukan wrote:
Have you seen the disproportionate death toll among the black americans? In some areas they are suffering 70% of the reported deaths yet they make 30% of population. The cheap fast food/poor diet is a huge contributor to the lifestyle diseases making them vulnerable to covid.
Is Boris Johnson black? Is prince charles black? Are all the dead italians, spaniads, frenchmen, britons, chinese black? When the white man is faced with tough and hopeless situations he has to find excuses and distractions to hide his helplessness and console himself. In the US itself the number of dead is 70% white, 15% black, and asians plus ethnic minorities is 15%. Why concentrate on and highlight the 15% dead blacks and not the 70% dead whites? [YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll3HCx7Yc7c/YOUTUBE] So a global pandemic sweeping throughout the world has now been reduced to what is happening in black ghettos in US cities? Should kenya also release its data and say whites are more likely to be infected coz they make up only 0.1% of the population but account for 50% of the cases? Arguing for the sake of arguing isn't too helpful. Stats reveal various angles, and the above is just one of them. The black community in the US, the the elite there, with a rich history of championing black welfare appreciate the fact and are calling for preaching remedial measures to the community as a matter of priority. Not everything is a white vs black tussle - for crying out loud! What they should be telling us is that communicable diseases such as corona, flu etc, are more likely to spread at higher rates where people live in higher density areas such as inner cities, than in the outer suburbs and rural areas. This is true whether you live in japan, china, italy, UK, Kenya etc. The higher rates for blacks and ethnic minorities in the US is only because they are more likely to be living in the inner city than in low density suburbs or rural areas. It has nothing to do with being blackamerican by race. Anyone living in a high rise apartment or ghetto anywhere in the world from madrid, NY, london, mumbai, Tokyo, wuhan to nairobi is more likely to be infected than someone living isolated in an outer suburb or rural area. #Epidemiology 101. May be what those blacks on TV should be advocating for is land/housing reform since for many years blacks could not own land (or homes) in rural areas or suburbs due to discrimination and that is how they ended up in the crowded inner cities. Public Health 101: If a group of people is getting sick/dying disproportionately to their numbers in the population, study the problem, figure out why and direct resources to that group, hence the documentation of numbers by race.. Also go to Italy and find out why people in the "rich north" are dying more than those in the "poorer south" and more than African immigrants, and then give more resources to the richer north to fight the disease. Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Bigchick wrote:Lolest! wrote:mpobiz wrote:Lolest! wrote:Bigchick wrote:kaka2za wrote:This thing has baffled even experts. Even WHO is saying don't use masks, no use masks.
Still a question about the relatively slower spread in Africa and South East Asia. Me thinks after this weekend if numbers remain the way they are(more so in terms of deaths),we can start thinking on a cautious back to work formula. That baffling thing whatever it is will continue protecting us. Remember some Doomsday guys had predicted 5000 by mid April,well..........we continue washing hands,social distancing and staying at home and now let's wear masks. #Weshallovercome. Those doomsday guys are the experts at ministry of health With rapid testing being introduced, 5k could be breached end month Let us all resist this tests.. it will only cause a lot of panic. We all agree that the desease is here with us. Let the government wait for the sick in hospital. What do you think if 2 million Kenyans went for cancer screening today. I mean any cancer. The number of positive cases will break all your hearts. Interesting. The Eldoret case was in quarantine for 2 weeks with NO SYMPTOMS. Now govt has ordered all private facilities doing tests to update the ministry. Idadi itaongezeka pakubwa You are of the opinion that we have many cases being tested in private facilities? True cases will go up but not in the crazy levels that were being projected.Like has been pointed out by Masukuma nobody can claim experience in this pandemic therefore even our guys at MOH are using models to project what can happen. Am comforted by the fact that DG Kilifi had contact with his boss Kilifi Governor and the Governor did not get it.Meaning coming into contact with a carrier does not mean you automatically get it.Am also comforted by the fact that with close to 5000 tests,179 are what turned positive. There is hope.We shall overcome. Private might not be many but with govt saying they have faster testing technology, numbers might rise
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/10/2015 Posts: 961 Location: Kenya
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mpobiz wrote:sqft wrote:Now go and comfort families of those who have died in England, Scotland and wales that they shouldn't worry much because black Americans in US ghettos have a proportionally higher death rate.
I also see 200k tested. What if you get tested today then after a week you get infected. Or does it mean that when you get tested you become immune? This is the most futile exercise in human history. We should all observe high levels of hygiene and social distance measures. I am also of the view that randomly testing people is a waste of resources. Especially when test kits have proven to be useless, and at best only 50% accurate. https://www.dailymail.co...ial-twitter_dailymailUK
Number of sick patients in hospitals is the most accurate data. Testing is not immunization and therefore resources are better spent attending to those who turn up in hospitals seeking treatment. Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/10/2015 Posts: 961 Location: Kenya
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China now ejecting Africans from their homes and hotels "to prevent coronavirus". Africans sleeping in the streets. Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Its not about random testing, they are testing anyone who feels that they are exhibiting symptoms. Just the same way most Kenyans present themselves with diarrhea in hospital - you are tested to determine if it is food poisoning, cholera dysentery malaria or typhoid. Don't assume those numbers are just from randomization. If you feel you have a cough that is not going away plus an on and off fever...you should be tested "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/10/2015 Posts: 961 Location: Kenya
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Many Kenyans are working as nurses in the US and therefore at high risk of infection. https://www.the-star.co....f-covid-19-in-us-buried/Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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murchr wrote:kaka2za wrote:This thing has baffled even experts. Even WHO is saying don't use masks, no use masks.
Still a question about the relatively slower spread in Africa and South East Asia. The use of masks has been highlighted as a reason why Asia slowed the rate of infection. As WHO and US/UK discounted the use of masks, people in S.Korea Hongkong were busy purchasing the same. Am now not looking at the no of deaths so much as the number of those recovered. UK is raising eye brows It increasingly appears UK&US policy either by design or default is to do the bare minimum in the expectation that the populace will build natural immunity with time. Let's hope a cure/ vaccine is found soon
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Bigchick wrote:
Am comforted by the fact that DG Kilifi had contact with his boss Kilifi Governor and the Governor did not get it. Meaning coming into contact with a carrier does not mean you automatically get it.
It think the notion that being in contact with an infected person automatically means that they will pass the disease is misguided by the narratives out there. We need to get back to the basics of this disease and forget things like spraying the streets or mass sanitizers (cattle dips for people) that have very doubtful science behind them. Remember the disease is spread when you intake the virues via your mouth, nose and eyes. How does it get there? mostly through the hands and that is why people are asked to wash their hands (not touch your face - if you can). How does it get to the hands? someone sneezes or coughs into the hands. The second means is spread through the air in short distances (coughing, sneezing or 'speaking'). but ideally, these would be in symptomatic cases. Touching surfaces that have been exposed to the viruses and then TOUCHING YOUR FACE. Will lead to a possible infection. The average transmission rate of Covid-19 is such that 1 infected person infects between 2 and 3 people. Things chickenpox and measles have this transmission rate of between 10-12 and 12–18 respectively. the dangerous thing about this disease is when the person becomes infectious - the asymptomatic transmissions and mild cases transmissions happen to be the problem. the other diseases usually transmit when the patient is symptomatic. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:kaka2za wrote:This thing has baffled even experts. Even WHO is saying don't use masks, no use masks.
Still a question about the relatively slower spread in Africa and South East Asia. The use of masks has been highlighted as a POSSIBLE reason why Asia slowed the rate of infection. As WHO and US/UK discounted the use of masks, people in S.Korea Hongkong were busy purchasing the same. Am now not looking at the no of deaths so much as the number of those recovered. UK is raising eye brows Correlation does not mean causation! Remember the structure of society in the east and the west is different? goverments also acted faster in the east. South Korea, Taiwan and the US all reported the first case on the same day. Mass testing earlier in the infection also played a role. I agree that masks are likely a FACTOR but not the only thing that determined the different tragectories. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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